BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 5

[Zero_Effect]

So is Flash's warning about Lois to be explored in Justice League?

They really did not make that clear at all. I guess its possibly Superman could still go evil... Or maybe it was all solved in BvS....

 

[Donner]

So....what the eff was up with those nightmare sequences that Bruce had? They made zero sense.

Overall, the movie was not good.

 

[Johnlambert2]

Previously a poster complained about Clark being able to find Lois so specifically, especially in the compound in Mali or Niger. I took it that Clark knew Lois was there, and may have kept tabs on her whereabouts. He held off intervening so she would not yell at him for killing her story, which she may have done on at least one occasion in the last 18 months. Anyway, she lived for 30+ years, give or take, before he ever met her. She has been in war zones before. He might have been hovering to make a save when the CIA guy was shot (assuming he was actually CIA and not a Luthor agent misidentified, that issue was never clear at all), but he held back when he realized they were not going to kill Lois.

I do have to say I was expecting him to use his heat vision. I mean we know he can cauterize wounds. The one issue there is it may not be clear that heating the gun will stop it from firing in time. He wants to remove the warlord from Lois.

 

[Tony Gunk]

I laughed my ass off after the nightmare sequence purely because it made no sense and had practically no place being in that movie.

 

[The Guard]

So is Flash's warning about Lois to be explored in Justice League?

What do you think?

 

[Donner]

I laughed my ass off after the nightmare sequence purely because it made no sense and had practically no place being in that movie.

Agreed. Even the beginning dream sequence with Bruce being lifted into the light by the bats...what the actual %#!$

 

[Tony Gunk]

Find it funny that Superman died on Easter weekend.

in BvS or the franchise in general?

 

[Tony Gunk]

Yeah the logos were a bit much

all that was missing was a file called "theme music" for each of them

 

[Robin91939]

all that was missing was a file called "theme music" for each of them

Again, why?

Why are people not able to accept that Lex Luthor gave these four metahumans codenames during his research?

He may have been able to find out Diana Prince's or Barry Allen's name -- he definitely knew Victor Stone's name. But there's no way he knew Arthur Curry's name. So, why is it not plausible that Lex Luthor wouldn't be like, "This guy lives in water and swims with almost a sonic-boom speeds ... Aquaman. That's a good code name for this file."

"This girl is mysterious and there are the rumors and stories of her from World War I. Her powers are wondrous. Code name: Wonder Woman."

"This guy is literally turned into a Cyborg."

"Wow. That guy just broke up the robbery in a flash!"

This is an organic way, actually, to give them all their Justice League codenames and have Bruce refer to them by that since those files are now his files.

 

[TheScarecrow]

I laughed my ass off after the nightmare sequence purely because it made no sense and had practically no place being in that movie.

No no, it wasn't stupid. You are.

You just didn't get Snyder's brilliance.



But for real - it was ridiculous and distracting. Cool imagery - but its supposed to be a movie.

 

[Sleiek]

I have not received any point of your manufacturing. Maybe the deliveryman has gotten lost. /Drax

The poster you quoted wrote about the characters "acting like themselves", and the critics liking the portrayal of Batman doesn't really seem to have anything to do whether he acts like his comic book self as many critics won't be comic book people. Most of the nerdy critics I've seen have pointed out quite clearly that they react to the "murderous Batman".

I just brought up the critics stance on the movie as clarification of why I think using them was an odd measuring stick.

I did say online reviewers and not actual critics, have I not? Online reviewers are mostly comic book fans in case you haven't noticed. Most of them put a lot of emphasis on loving this Batman even with that issue. If you are gonna comment, read what I said first.

 

[Web-Head]

The nightmare sequences and Lex were the two things I hated the most. Didn't get the point of the sequences and Lex was just straight up annoying minus the Grandma's peach tea thing

 

[TripleJ]

Again, why?

Why are people not able to accept that Lex Luthor gave these four metahumans codenames during his research?

He may have been able to find out Diana Prince's or Barry Allen's name -- he definitely knew Victor Stone's name. But there's no way he knew Arthur Curry's name. So, why is it not plausible that Lex Luthor wouldn't be like, "This guy lives in water and swims with almost a sonic-boom speeds ... Aquaman. That's a good code name for this file."

"This girl is mysterious and there are the rumors and stories of her from World War I. Her powers are wondrous. Code name: Wonder Woman."

"This guy is literally turned into a Cyborg."

"Wow. That guy just broke up the robbery in a flash!"

This is an organic way, actually, to give them all their Justice League codenames and have Bruce refer to them by that since those files are now his files.

The names make sense, it's organic.

Of course, the logos...well, suspension of disbelief I guess. This is a CBM, after all.

 

[Robin91939]

The names make sense, it's organic.

Of course, the logos...well, suspension of disbelief I guess. This is a CBM, after all.

You have to look at it in the lens of the people in the film.

Lex Luthor, etc do not know what the Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash comic book logos are. They've never seen them.

This is the origin of how the logos came about. Wonder Woman's double-W logo came from Lex seeing that photo from 1918 and he breast plate.

The rest, could have just been created for the file -- and what's wrong with that?

-R

 

[Kanon]

You have to look at it in the lens of the people in the film.

Lex Luthor, etc do not know what the Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg, Flash comic book logos are. They've never seen them.

This is the origin of how the logos came about. Wonder Woman's double-W logo came from Lex seeing that photo from 1918 and he breast plate.

The rest, could have just been created for the file -- and what's wrong with that?

-R

What kind of person goes around creating logos por people?

 

[kguillou]

I hope, hope, HOPE that the knightmare sequence is not a scene from what we're gonna see in Justice League. A whole movie with gun toting Batman and angry dictator Superman would make the fans and critics crap red.

 

[jmc]

Apparently Lex has graphic designers for all his folders.

 

[BobJM]

I hope, hope, HOPE that the knightmare sequence is not a scene from what we're gonna see in Justice League. A whole movie with gun toting Batman and angry dictator Superman would make the fans and critics crap red.

I'd like to see more of the Knightmare universe. Have JL borrow plot elements from Crisis on Infinite Earths/Final Crisis and maybe Morrison's Rock of Ages. I think Snyder really went for it in this movie and should continue with his ambition in JL1. I think full on Darkseid invasion & parallel/multiple earths would deliver the goods.

Just curious as to why Lois Lane is important. When I first saw the movie, I mistakenly remembered the quote as "save her" so that the audience would assume it's Lois when it's actually Martha. However, since Flash clearly says Lois's name, the sequence turns out to be unrelated to the climax of BvS (other than lending Batman more motivation to fight), so there must be something coming up that the heroes will need to achieve/prevent/whatever to ensure that this apocalyptic vision doesn't become their reality

 

[Mjölnir]

I did say online reviewers and not actual critics, have I not? Online reviewers are mostly comic book fans in case you haven't noticed. Most of them put a lot of emphasis on loving this Batman even with that issue. If you are gonna comment, read what I said first.

How does that definition separate any reviewers from others when all of them are online? There are plenty of RT critics that are exclusively Internet based.

So have the ones you're referring to said that Batman is acting like he generally does in the comics, or do they like him despite that? Because the post you responded to didn't talk about good or bad, it talked about not acting like themselves (where the obvious interpretation is like the standard versions in the comics). So someone just liking it has no bearing on what you quoted, a difference do in fact I get because I read what was said.

 

[Mr. Wayne]

Apparently Lex has graphic designers for all his folders.

This Lex is a millennial and the head of a tech company(not that you'd really know wtf LexCorp does other than act as a vehicle for his evil machinations thanks to Snyder lol) he did the graphic design himself lol.

 

[jmc]

This Lex is a millennial and the head of a tech company(not that you'd really know wtf LexCorp does other than act as a vehicle for his evil machinations thanks to Snyder lol) he did the graphic design himself lol.

As a graphic designer myself you have no idea how true this rings, lol.

 

[The Guard]

Good Lord people, the logos are just an Easter egg.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think the stupidest/funniest line in this movie was when Bruce called Metropolis "A beautiful lie."

Oh my God.

What a Frank Miller line taken to its worst extent. Once again a lack of understand of the very influence. Typical Snyder.

 

[Web-Head]

So is Flash's warning about Lois to be explored in Justice League?

Who knows? On the leaked video of it that I saw it said a form of Injustice happens so future Bruce sends Flash back in time to warn modern day Bruce about it.

 

[Sleiek]

How does that definition separate any reviewers from others when all of them are online? There are plenty of RT critics that are exclusively Internet based.

So have the ones you're referring to said that Batman is acting like he generally does in the comics, or do they like him despite that? Because the post you responded to didn't talk about good or bad, it talked about not acting like themselves (where the obvious interpretation is like the standard versions in the comics). So someone just liking it has no bearing on what you quoted, a difference do in fact I get because I read what was said.

Okay, why would these reviewers like this Batman if he is not the standard version and he was not acting like "himself"?

Most of them don't specifically state why they like Batman, they just say "Ben Affleck killed it as Batman" or " I was seeing Bruce Wayne not Ben Affleck". If these characters were such a departure, they wouldn't be making statements like that. People were able to recognize the Bruce Wayne and Batman in Ben Affleck. I will remind you again, these reactions were from comic book fan reviewers.

If I am not mistaken, the main reason why some people don't like these characters is because of their characterization, they see it as a kind of departure from the usual old school version. But I just don't see it because even though Batfleck does few things that he doesn't do in the comics, many comic book fans do instantly recognize the Bruce Wayne in him.