BvS The Zack Snyder Validation Thread (big rant)

[WBwins]

I had my membership card torn up when I dared to dismiss TDKR as his worst film.

Good.A Nolanite must be blind and unreasonable in devotion.

 

[slumcat]

Oh yeah! Nolanitism is the greatest self inflicted injury in the modern world. It is unparalleled for sure.

 

[BatLobster]

Please...Snyderism is on course to replace it in the geek community.

What I'm realizing is that the "Nolanism" phenomenon has less to do with Nolan himself. It has more to do with how passionately attached Bat-fans get to a particular director.

There were/are Burtonites.

There were/are Nolanites.

And now there are Snyderites even though he hasn't even yet made the cinematic debut of his Batman. Blindly and unwaveringly devoted to Snyder's vision and Affleck in the role. Add to that people who loved Man of Steel and his other films, and you've got quite the cheerleading team/defense brigade. Just look around.

The whole "Oh noes the Nolanites!" thing has utterly jumped the shark. Just give it a rest. There are plenty of regular fans of his who should not have to explain themselves.

 

[zryson]

There's a defensiveness towards Snyder from his fans that is more or less unrivaled. Even Nolan's fans don't get that emotional.

I agree. I think in general some of Snyder's fans think he is above any criticism so they tend to lash out at others who dare questions his films. It's a little sad.

 

[Micromind]

Oh yeah! Nolanitism is the greatest self inflicted injury in the modern world. It is unparalleled for sure.

Not any worse than Whedonites.

 

[DA_Champion]

Not any worse than Whedonites.

That's true, Whedon might be the most academically investigated Hollywood writer or director of the past twenty five years.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Oh... The classic fanboy overstatements. I love MOS. I Dislike WATCHMEN and SUCKERPUNCH, think DAWN OF THE DEAD is good, not great, and think 300 is a great fantasy action film. Does that make me a Snyderite? Please. The man has far more detractors in the fan community than Nolan ever had. Snyderism is not a "thing" the way the blind, zealous boosterism of Nolan was for a moment there. I say this as someone that's liked or loved every Nolan film sans TDKR.

 

[Fallen Angel]

How can people hate on Watchmen? The guy did the film almost panel for panel.

 

[WBwins]

How can people hate on Watchmen? The guy did the film almost panel for panel.

Hate is not resonable.It just flows man

 

[zryson]

How can people hate on Watchmen? The guy did the film almost panel for panel.

Films are personal to people, so they view them differently and so come away with varying opinions. I also think the term hate is one of the most over-used labels on the web.

 

[Rowsdower!]

How can people hate on Watchmen? The guy did the film almost panel for panel.

Because NO SQUID MONSTER! AND IT DIDN'T HAVE PIRATES! AND NEEDED MORE BERNIES! AND MUSIC CHOICES!! AND HIS BIG BLUE WIENER!!

Seriously, some of the complaints about Watchmen don't make any f***ing sense. I know someone who didn't like the movie because a friend of hers who read the comic (she didn't) didn't like the differences between the book and the movie. How can you hate on a movie for making changes when YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE?

 

[Travesty]

Please...Snyderism is on course to replace it in the geek community.

What I'm realizing is that the "Nolanism" phenomenon has less to do with Nolan himself. It has more to do with how passionately attached Bat-fans get to a particular director.

There were/are Burtonites.

There were/are Nolanites.

And now there are Snyderites even though he hasn't even yet made the cinematic debut of his Batman. Blindly and unwaveringly devoted to Snyder's vision and Affleck in the role. Add to that people who loved Man of Steel and his other films, and you've got quite the cheerleading team/defense brigade. Just look around.

The whole "Oh noes the Nolanites!" thing has utterly jumped the shark. Just give it a rest. There are plenty of regular fans of his who should not have to explain themselves.

 

[Jekecy]

How can people hate on Watchmen? The guy did the film almost panel for panel.

I didn't hate it, but I was disappointed with it as a film.

Snyder deserves praise for putting perhaps the most beloved attempt of the source material up on the silver screen, but I think it fell far short of what Watchmen could've done not only for the comic book genre, but the industry in general.

The film should've been as culturally impactful as the book was for its time. I truly think Greengrass would've accomplished that had he not been cut off from production.

 

[STARMAN]

I'm a fan of Snyder's Watchmen.

 

[Travesty]

The Ultimate Edition of Watchmen is great, but overall, there's just some things that weren't adapted or conveyed properly. I've been thinking about doing a breakdown of what I wished was done properly in the Watchmen thread. I've been saying that for a few years now, so maybe I'll get around to it?

But overall, I liked Watchmen quite a bit. It just doesn't hit as hard as the comic, but I find it almost impossible to do in a single movie.

 

[BatLobster]

Oh... The classic fanboy overstatements. I love MOS. I Dislike WATCHMEN and SUCKERPUNCH, think DAWN OF THE DEAD is good, not great, and think 300 is a great fantasy action film. Does that make me a Snyderite? Please. The man has far more detractors in the fan community than Nolan ever had. Snyderism is not a "thing" the way the blind, zealous boosterism of Nolan was for a moment there. I say this as someone that's liked or loved every Nolan film sans TDKR.

I shouldn't have generalized so much, obviously Snyder has his share of people who have liked some of his films and not others. I count myself as one of them. But I was trying to make a point that I've noticed this trend with Bat-directors. "Nolanite" and "Burtonite" were terms that were coined on these very forums as far as I'm aware. Then on the other end of the spectrum you have Schumacher who was treated as Satan incarnate for years. People are CRAZY passionate about Batman. That was my point.

If Snyderism isn't a "thing" yet, let's see what happens if BvS ends up being good, or better yet GREAT. He'll be hailed as the king of comic book movies. More and more people will start saying "In Snyder We Trust" (it's already kind of become a thing here), etc.

And you know what? That's fiiine. Like what you like. Trust a filmmaker if you feel they've earned that trust or there's a consistent quality to their work that appeals to you. I think a reason Nolan got so much of that kind of treatment is frankly because it was just nice to finally feel like you had someone dependable at the helm of the Batman franchise after all the years of crap and uncertainty.

And TDKR ended "Nolanism" as it once was (I love the film btw), because it proves that the minute the Bat-fans feel they've been 'wronged', they will lash out like no other fanbase. So it's just really annoying to still hear people harping on about it like it's something that's running rampant, when it's actually on the decline.

 

[Bathead]

I agree. I think in general some of Snyder's fans think he is above any criticism so they tend to lash out at others who dare questions his films. It's a little sad.

That's a ridiculous exaggeration and an unfair characterization to boot.

 

[zryson]

That's a ridiculous exaggeration and an unfair characterization to boot.

What is an unfair characterization is when some fans of Snyder lash out at other people and label them haters because they dont think they same way they do. No person in entertainment is above criticism; and when you are dealing with the world of entertainment rejection/criticism is a part of life.

 

[Boom]

Did I step into an alternate reality?

Snyder is one of the most polarized directors I can think of off the top of my head. He is nowhere near having the almost cult-like fanbase Nolan had at one point.

 

[zryson]

Did I step into an alternate reality?

Snyder is one of the most polarized directors I can think of off the top of my head.

I agree, he sharply divides the audience (for those vested in watching movies he is involved with.)

 

[Rowsdower!]

Oh look, zryson's playing the "Why's everybody always picking on me?" card again.

 

[Travesty]

Snyder is one of the most polarized directors I can think of off the top of my head. He is nowhere near having the almost cult-like fanbase Nolan had at one point.

Yeah, I agree.

 

[BatLobster]

Did I step into an alternate reality?

Snyder is one of the most polarized directors I can think of off the top of my head. He is nowhere near having the almost cult-like fanbase Nolan had at one point.

See, but I honestly feel Nolan is nearly as divisive in his own way now. Even if it's just by sheer virtue of popularity with a loud vocal minority against him, and more and more people looking to knock him down a peg to show cause it's the hip thing to do. Or his own fans arguing over whether he's great or merely "good". One way or another Nolan's name seems to stir up arguments and debates.

Snyder is more wildly divisive in that some people see him as a visionary, others see him as a total hack, but there's a solid amount of middle ground there, I think. And a lot of that middle ground will be happy to embrace him if he makes an across-the-boards great film.

Anyway, I guess I was a bit hasty to make such a comparison and I feel like I should apologize for that. Snyder's critics haven't received death threats yet either .

 

[The Batman]

I think some nolanites are annoyingly snobbish, and some Snyder fans are annoyingly overdefensive.

 

[Eros]

I think some nolanites are annoyingly snobbish, and some Snyder fans are annoyingly overdefensive.

well i do like Snyder work, but hes made a career adapting comic book characters. Save for the well received dawn of the dead, and his pet project sucker punch which was garbage.Hes nothing special, his directing skills are good, he just makes cool looking movies....that it.