Things those of you don't like about the Nolan Bat-movies.

[Kaizer]

Not everyone is a Nolan drone, this is just for discussing things you are not pleased with, but not to fight about, just to get things off your chest, I know there are alot of those fans who don't like Nolan's dull vision.

I am dissapointed in Batman's second suit, it looks like Ironman with Bat-Ears. The Bat-Cycle is a shame, it like the rest of the film has no style.

The realism is just stupid, this is a Comic Book, if I wanted to see realism I'd watch the news. Even if Batman has no super powers that is not the point, his world still has fantastic things happen in it.

He has villians that have powers and so on.

Ra's in the first one was robbed of his character all so Nolan could do one of his stupid surprise endings, Ra's never made it to the big screen in my opinion. He was robbed of his back ground and Lazarus Pits.

Scarecrow barely wore his mask 'cause Nolan didn't want him to wear it, then why even make a movie about a guy who dresses up like a Bat and fights crime, why have him wear a costume then.

then there's the new Joker, the joke of a Joker. Heath is all wrong, as is the look. The Joker does not have a cut in smile, and smeared lip stick, he looks like he should be looking in the mirror going, who's a filthy ****e, you're a filthy ****e.

It is just pathetic. I have had it with Comic Book movies being destroyed by realism, and stupid directors lacking imagination, and are lazy, such as Nolan. Singer fits in there aswell, his X-men movies were just garbage, the characters were ruined, his Superman worked a bit better but then he abandoned the comics again. As does Nolan, he doesn't care, and I will not have my favorite character go through all this without saying something.

I agree with a sig I'd seen here at SHH, Burton did better.

One advice; just go away.

 

[contemporarydog]

I love the understated nature of Batman Begins. Maybe it's because I'm British, but I get sick of these oversaturated, oversweetened, mass-CGI movies like Spiderman. Batman Begins felt like a real FILM, yet also was totally Batman too. So I have to categorically disagree with Conn.

BB is also a film you can watch many times and always notice new things.

 

[Anguissette1979]

You'd think by now he'd have the brim hat, the tattered rag clothes, and least have some kind of weapon or just cartidges of fear-gas strapped to his arms.

Maybe in this movie he will... he HAS been running around the narrows after being overgassed and tasered in the face. if you hadn't had a shower or changed your clothes, you'd be looking pretty raggedy too.

 

[PretentiousMan]

It sounds like a bigger complaint than it really is, but my one complaint with these movies would be - shockingly enough - the direction and director.

Y'see, from the moment I read it, I felt the BB script was BY FAR the best Batman film script yet. It was the biggest, most detailed, most interesting script yet. Choked full of extremely iconic and cool moments.

That said, I felt Nolan - instead of making the most of those iconic moments, of that fantastic plot - downplayed EVERYTHING. And that, in the end, made the entire film have less impact than if he had wallowed in the greatness of the script. I hated how closely-shot everything was (not just the fight scenes) - it made the film seem...small rather than epic. Like it could've been, like it should've been...IMO.

Basically, he took a minimalist approach (he did the same in The Prestige) with everything from shot-selection to art direction - which, makes sense given how it's the polar opposite to something like B&R - but I feel ultimately hurt the movie. If he could have combined BB's fantastic script and cast with art direction that delivered the most of Batman's generally noir, generally gothic world, I think - as good as BB is already - it would've been ten times better. Basically, I see it as, Nolan got the heart and soul of Batman right, but he missed the look and the feel.

So yeah, that's my one problem with Nolan's Batman movie(s). Honestly, I've explained it a lot better in the past, but that's the gist of it.

The whole realism thing...I have a slight problem with...but I honestly believe the worst of it to be invented by overzealous fans than Nolan himself.

A reasonable, intelligent post.

 

[Delete]

I hate how most of the main characters always find out what Batman's secret identity is.

This is what I was going to say. It seems every woman Bruce even looks at in these movies winds up in the Batcave or something.

 

[Deadpool876]

It is just pathetic. I have had it with Comic Book movies being destroyed by realism, and stupid directors lacking imagination, and are lazy, such as Nolan. Singer fits in there aswell, his X-men movies were just garbage, the characters were ruined, his Superman worked a bit better but then he abandoned the comics again. As does Nolan, he doesn't care, and I will not have my favorite character go through all this without saying something.

You should realize they don't make these movies just for fans, they make it for the general audience too. Frankly, I for one like it when filmmakers put realism in comic book movies. The old comic book movies has passed and it was good for their particular time. I liked Batman89 then but when I saw it again, I thought things could be better. So I thought BB was a step in the right direction and they're gonna take it up further.
Imagine if BB was something like the old Batman movies, do you think it would be a success? Filmmaking has evolved not just for comicbook movies but to all movie genres... And you should understand directors too when they adapt comic books to films nowadays, they need to take some liberties when they translate them from one medium to another. .....Jeez, I'm getting serious, is this really me? t: ....No, really that's how I think it is.

Well, if there's one thing I don't like in BB (but I'm confident they'll make an improvement in TDK), it's the fight scenes! Back the f***ing camera up!

 

[The Only Woj]

wish there was a little more Batman messing people up. breaking some arms and legs.

 

[contemporarydog]

I loved the fight scenes in Begins!

People are portraying Begins as mostly being loved by hardcore fanboys, but beleive me , I'm only a casual batman fan but drawn to the series due to nolan's style and input, as i believe he is one of the best mainstream directors working today.

 

[Anguissette1979]

People are portraying Begins as mostly being loved by hardcore fanboys, but beleive me , I'm only a casual batman fan but drawn to the series due to nolan's style and input, as i believe he is one of the best mainstream directors working today.

Likewise. I only read DKR because Babs left it lying around at my mum's house one day. Definitely a casual fan who loves the character.

 

[sasquatchs]

wish there was a little more Batman messing people up. breaking some arms and legs.

Batman's going to look like a god in TDK compared with these vigilantes coming on the scene

Didn't like the editor. I'm not even talking about the fight scenes, just things like the chase didn't seem to flow properly.

 

[Sccmj23]

You gotta admit, though. It was better than Clooney's "Hi, Freeze! I'm Batman."

Batman doesn't say hi. It should be a rule.

OMG, you just nailed it for me with that one. Out of all the completely horrendous scenes and dialogue in B&R, that line is by far the worst. The only line that could POSSIBLY be worse is "What killed the dinosaurs? THE ICE AAAAGE" Gawd that movie is sooooo bad.

 

[The Shape]

I actually watched Begins with my girlfriend the other day, and I've come to quite like the score.

When you think of that Elfman theme, it's more like "Here comes Batman!! Da da da daaaaaa da!!!!" Don't get me wrong, I love it to death. It's probably my favorite movie theme ever. But I like the new theme/score, too. It gives off more of a "Oh, ****. It's the Batman..." when compared to Elfman's. And also, we never really heard Batman's "theme" until the end of the film, as Zimmer and Howard said, so I'm pretty sure we'll be hearing a new and improved score in TDK.

And yeah, like everyone else, I have problems with Begins. The needs to over explain everything. Like everyone who is saying that guy in Wayne tower at the end was a bad actor. It wasn't a matter of his acting. The problem was that the poor guy was forced to give a play by play of what was happening, which was unnecessary. The fight scenes. Some bad dialogue. Katie Holmes.

But as for TDK, I really have no problems with what I've heard so far, and it also seems like a lot of the problems from Begins will be fixed, and that's awesome. This is going to be the ultimate Batman film...a real mystery/thriller, and I can't wait.

Oh, and for the people praising Burton...yeah, his films were great visual extravaganzas. But he had his fair share of problems, as well...in both of his films. We could argue against those two movies just as much as we can Begins.

 

[Kaizer]

This is what I was going to say. It seems every woman Bruce even looks at in these movies winds up in the Batcave or something.

True, in the current comic-continuity it took, what? 10 years for him to reveal his identity to Catwoman.

 

[NoirMan82]

It sounds like a bigger complaint than it really is, but my one complaint with these movies would be - shockingly enough - the direction and director.

Y'see, from the moment I read it, I felt the BB script was BY FAR the best Batman film script yet. It was the biggest, most detailed, most interesting script yet. Choked full of extremely iconic and cool moments.

That said, I felt Nolan - instead of making the most of those iconic moments, of that fantastic plot - downplayed EVERYTHING. And that, in the end, made the entire film have less impact than if he had wallowed in the greatness of the script. I hated how closely-shot everything was (not just the fight scenes) - it made the film seem...small rather than epic. Like it could've been, like it should've been...IMO.

Basically, he took a minimalist approach (he did the same in The Prestige) with everything from shot-selection to art direction - which, makes sense given how it's the polar opposite to something like B&R - but I feel ultimately hurt the movie. If he could have combined BB's fantastic script and cast with art direction that delivered the most of Batman's generally noir, generally gothic world, I think - as good as BB is already - it would've been ten times better. Basically, I see it as, Nolan got the heart and soul of Batman right, but he missed the look and the feel.

So yeah, that's my one problem with Nolan's Batman movie(s). Honestly, I've explained it a lot better in the past, but that's the gist of it.

The whole realism thing...I have a slight problem with...but I honestly believe the worst of it to be invented by overzealous fans than Nolan himself.

This is an argument that can really go both ways. Besides the fight scenes (which was my only big gripe with BB) I thought the movie was shot gorgeously without overdoing it. I hate movies that make a huge deal out of every locale and character.I don't thing BB was downplayed, just played straight. Remeber how awesome the chase scene with the cops was? The damn scary effects of the fear toxin? The whole train scene? The one really badass shot of Batman looking over Gotham with his cape flowing in the wind? BB had a ton of great shots, they just weren't the usual over the top scenes we ususall get in comic movies. Direction wise BB had more in common with The Last Samuri than previous Batman films. I really think that was the right way to go.

 

[Kaizer]

Didn't like the editor. I'm not even talking about the fight scenes, just things like the chase didn't seem to flow properly.

I have real problems with the one cut just after (Gordon and Batman´s first meeting) Gordon says "just some nut", that cut should´ve been kept for just a few frames more. I cringe every time I see it.

 

[Gianakin_]

Katie Holmes
Bad (obviously Goyer-generated) one-liners. COMPLETELY out of place in many scenes, and the worst thing is the actual humor is really good (any Fox/ Wayne or Aflred/Wayne dialogue is filled with it)
Fight scenes could be better (like in the monastery when he fights fake Ra's), although I understand why they were shot like that
Other than these (all of them didn't bother me immensely but I will/ would be glad to see them fixed in TDK), my fav. Batman movie and everyday competing with Spidey2 for the best comic book movie position in my book.

 

[MALFUNCTION]

The good thing about Nolan keeping things sorta low key visually was that when something wild did happened, it stood out more.
I also really felt let down that BB had to become an almost standard action film at the end with the whole exploding water pipe 'she's gonna blow' thing. I'd like a movie where the bad guy DOESN'T have a plan to destroy the whole city, or sink the west coast or regrow the whole planet with alien technology.
I'd like a smaller scale. The bad guy is a fricken nut job who kills people and destroys property. He needs to be stopped. Cue the Dark Knight Detective.
I hope they don't fall into the trap of having to top themselves with grand scale plots every film. That's what leads to neon cars and bat-nipples.

I also didn't like how they used the Tumbler. I like the Tumbler, but I think it should be more a mobile batcave and a way for Bats to get the F out of dodge when he needs to. It should be nearly impossible to track and he should be able to shake pursuit before twenty cop cars go flipping over eachother, in fact Bat's should try to avoid such a clusterf**k.
I sometimes want to watch that chase scene while listening to the Blues Brothers, lol.
And it's not a combat vehicle. It's intended use was to bridge rivers and stuff so other military equiptment could get across. Missiles don't really make sense in that role. But maybe other deterrents like smoke and flares, maybe mortars with rubber pellets for pacifying crowds.
Anyway, these are really just geek gripes, BB was an overall great movie.

 

[mystory64]

How can we have a thread that just straight bashes a film? Have an official thread like the Batman Returns thread if you want, but this just reaks of flame war....

Personally Batman fighting the Illuminati plus ninjas is worth the price of admission, but thats as much as I'm going to say in this thread.

 

[MALFUNCTION]

I'd prefer to call it a critique thread.
The OP kinda gave it a bashers tone but we're better than that right?

 

[mystory64]

I'd prefer to call it a critique thread.
The OP kinda gave it a bashers tone but we're better than that right?

Yeah I get that but it's called "Things we don't like" not the Official Critique of Nolan Bat films or something to that extent, the intent here is to polarize the discussion into things that don't work. If I started a thread like that about any of the Burton films I'd be called a troll, I just think it's very childish. 15 years from now people will praise the Nolan flicks like we do the Burton ones, cause at the end of the day his movies due Batman justice and are entertaining films that further enhance the genre.

 

[Rockbottom]

IF you think you can do any better...go make a movie.

I hate it when people say that, its such a pathetic arguement. Is it his job to deliver a Batman movie? No. Is he a movie director? no he isnt. That arguement makes no sense at all. Sorry for going off on one, just that arguement point anoys me.

 

[Spider-Bat]

I couldn't stand Katie Holmes. That's about it.

She sucks. Glad she's gone, but they shouldn't bring back her character, just bring in Vicki or Selina.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Things I don't/didn't like


-Katie Holmes
-Joker pic
-The cowl

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I hate the Joker's look. The bleached skin and the rings around the eyes are fine, but the gashes on the lips have got to go. And the smeared on lipstick is just terrible. Looks like he tried to apply it on himself in the dark or something. Why doesn't Nolan just stay with continuity and have Joker fall into the vat of chemicals and become Joker? Is he just worried he'd be remaking Burton's Batman? That's what I don't understand.

Another thing I can't comprehend is like the creator of this post said: why can't we see Scarecrow in an actual costume? You'd think by now he'd have the brim hat, the tattered rag clothes, and least have some kind of weapon or just cartidges of fear-gas strapped to his arms. I mean it doesn't make sense when you got Bruce Wayne who dresses up like a Bat, but when you got a guy named Scarecrow who only wears a Scarecrow mask, but yet wears a business suit that sort of shows me: we're afraid to step out of our comfort zone.

Then there's the new Batsuit. I'm glad they made a suit where he can swivel his head back and forth without it being too tight and rubbery around Bale's neck, but it looks too armored plated. What was good about the last suit and others is it felt like a Batsuit. This looks more cut out for "Batman Beyond" and the Bat symbol is not visible as it should. Maybe it's time to bring back the yellow emblem behind it?

Next, there's the Batpod. WHY CAN'T IT JUST BE CALLED THE BATCYCLE?!? Batpod is a crappy name. Seriously, wouldn't you think a villain would just crack his ass up if he heard what Bat's new ride's name was.

Joker: The Batpod? What's Batman going to do? Make us listen to a bunch of poptunes?

Lastly, there's been set-reports of maybe a love relationship between Rachel and Dent. This I think is absurd. Dent has Gilda and if Nolan is following the comics he'd have Dent be with Gilda. I could maybe see him having one of Dent's flaws is he's an adulterer or cheats on his wife alot, but least Nolan try to stay true the comics somehow.

Remembered one last thing I'd like to add. I still like to know what is the significance of David Banner's Gamble character? And who Anthony Michael Hall is playing? Is he Black Mask? Riddler? The vigilante making crimefighting hard for Batman? An attorney? Someone who works at Gotham? Who? And when are we going to see Batman build his own stuff without Lucius's Q-like help?

 

[DocLathropBrown]

You people do know that he's expressing his opinion? Lighten up.

That said, I've recently realized that the real reason I dislike BB and Nolan's franchise. It comes down to the fact of the different era of the comics. Burton's films were coming from the period when Batman was an adventure book. Now, the comics are just a gritty crime drama, which doesn't appeal to me anywhere near as much. I think the character needs less dark, more adventure. So thus, BB isn't up my alley. Despite the fact that I've got other qualms with it.

However, I haven't seen anything overtly offensive in the TDK production, so I'm looking forward to it hoping that it's up my alley. The only real problem I have so far is the fact that the Scarecrow is apparently not going to wear his real costume again. First time is fine, but now's he's fully Scarecrow... he should look it, damn it.

I've said my piece.