Apocalypse Things you didn't like in X-Men: Apocalypse (Spoilers)

[Fervid09]

Chances are they hadn't planned anything out untill the time of writing the story treatment.

As for any problems I am willing to bet there were no issues beyond the effects guys working on jungle book at the same time as apocalypse.

Apocalypse was much more busier then DOFP, that's pretty much all it is, they wanted to do everything with it so it was a bigger balancing act to pull off.

Ah, there it is. I didn't know that. That answers my biggest question. I guess the effects crew prioritized Jungle Book much more than XM:A, since I've heard nothing but great praise on the CGI quality in that film (I personally haven't seen it yet). That, or they were given more time/CGI to budget ratio was better allocated/all of the above.

 

[psylockolussus]

The Jungle Book was amazing (story and visuals)!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm finally watching this movie and what do I see 43 minutes in?
Satellite dishes on every roof, in Egypt, in 1983.

They didn't pull the effort of making roof models with old school TV antennas to CGI it into the movie.

 

[onDgrind]

Nothing about it felt like X men to me. The only X men vibe I got was the wolverine escape scene . Horrible movie ,X3 is far better.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well I will agree that X3 is better.

 

[onDgrind]

I just want fox to reboot already , that's what they should have done with first class .Xmen's always been my favourite ,still got hundreds of Xmen comics stored away. Now I dont really care for Xmen anymore ,thanks fox

 

[First Avenger]

Well I will agree that X3 is better.

Me too.

 

[onDgrind]

Watched x3 immediately after viewing XA last night and imo XA is far inferior to X3. Fine they messed up the Phoenix story but its still more entertaining . Can also list 10 cool things from X3.

1.Beast visiting leech
2.Prof x and Eric meeting lil Jean
3.Magneto highway scene
4.Magneto rejecting Mystique
5.Cyclops and Wolverine in the mansion
6.Pyro and iceman meeting at the cure protest
7.Beast
8.Phoenix vs prof x
9.lil Warren and dad
10.Magnetos "Charles did more for mutant kind"

I could list 10 more, would like someone to list 10 from XA

 

[DavidHaller]

Watched x3 immediately after viewing XA last night and imo XA is far inferior to X3. Fine they messed up the Phoenix story but its still more entertaining . Can also list 10 cool things from X3.

1.Beast visiting leech
2.Prof x and Eric meeting lil Jean
3.Magneto highway scene
4.Magneto rejecting Mystique
5.Cyclops and Wolverine in the mansion
6.Pyro and iceman meeting at the cure protest
7.Beast
8.Phoenix vs prof x
9.lil Warren and dad
10.Magnetos "Charles did more for mutant kind"

I could list 10 more, would like someone to list 10 from XA

I find X3 offensively bad...no idea why people like anything about this ******** of a movie.

easy! And I do not even like X-Men Apocalypse particularly:

1. Betrayal of Apocalypse in Egypt
2. Death of Magneto's family
3. Apocalypse takes over Cerebro
4. Jean Grey!
5. Quicksilver's scene
6. Phoenix moment
7. Prof. X vs. Apocalypse on the mental plane
8. Quicksilver's personality and humor
9. Archangel becomes his metal wings
10. Danger Room ending

p.s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfC8f6Z6vz4

 

[onDgrind]

I find X3 offensively bad...no idea why people like anything about this ******** of a movie.

easy! And I do not even like X-Men Apocalypse particularly:

1. Betrayal of Apocalypse in Egypt
2. Death of Magneto's family
3. Apocalypse takes over Cerebro
4. Jean Grey!
5. Quicksilver's scene
6. Phoenix moment
7. Prof. X vs. Apocalypse on the mental plane
8. Quicksilver's personality and humor
9. Archangel becomes his metal wings
10. Danger Room ending

p.s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfC8f6Z6vz4

Everyone's got their opinion, for me 1,4,5,8,9,10 was nothing special

 

[DavidHaller]

Everyone's got their opinion, for me 1,4,5,8,9,10 was nothing special

you did not like the first scene of this movie in Egypt? why? how? lol I find it very difficult to watch this scene without being impressed how well it was crafted.

 

[onDgrind]

you did not like the first scene of this movie in Egypt? why? how? lol I find it very difficult to watch this scene without being impressed how well it was crafted.

I have seen scenes like that before, even seems similar to the betrayal scene in the mummy without all the special effects.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

you did not like the first scene of this movie in Egypt? why? how? lol I find it very difficult to watch this scene without being impressed how well it was crafted.

Apocalypse looks like ****. He takes me out the movie every time he's on screen

 

[wnjcwjkk]

1. Destruction porn. The final fight was just popcorn fare. Buildings collapsing and ground breaking but no perception of human casualty. Just there for the sake of creating the image of destruction but... wholly ineffective. Felt jarring and disconnected.

2. There were no stakes - we never believed that Apocalypse would win. Everything felt inconsequential, contrived and pointless.

3. Horrible use of Apocalypse. A potentially great villain and wonderful actor bogged down by a poor script and execution. His powers were poorly explained and inconsistent - he'd do something incredible one time then completely forget about it the next. He didn't feel threatening at all.

4. Weak narrative. There was little character development. Instead of focusing on several characters and building them up, we instead get too many new characters that each only get limited screen time. By the end of the film I didn't feel like I understood any of the characters any more than I did when I first met them.

5. The plot was convoluted. Why did he need the 4 horsemen? Why did he send the nukes up? The movie felt like a one-note infomercial used to introduce all these new characters.

6. Excessive use of visual effects. At many times used poorly, in addition to inappropriately.

7. Acting was bad. Sophie Turner is wooden and lacks emotion. The scene on her bed was horribly delivered. Some of the lines were horribly cliche and cringe-worthy.

8. No emotive beats. Where were the emotional parts of the movie? Magneto's family was killed way too early - before I was able to connect and felt the weight of their loss. Havok's death was sudden, with no build up. It held no gravity and felt done just for the sake of having someone die. Quicksilver's father storyline felt forced into the plot just to bring his character in. There was nothing emotional to anchor the viewer.

Those are all good points.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't the end of DOFP already show us that Professor X, Cyclops, Beast, Storm, Jean, and others are all going to make it out of Apocalypse fine, not to mention the entire world? I'm assuming Apocalypse had never shown up in the continuity of the first three films, so something that changed in DOFP must have been responsible for setting him free, so in that continuity, Havoc died, Charles lost his hair, Storm's hair got turned white, etc. in some other kind of way. They also, as far as I can tell, didn't explain why Mystique, disguised as Stryker, fished Wolverine out of the lake, and then the real Stryker got hold of him.


Also, I wish they had followed up on First Class by making the outfits more colorful and closer to the look of the comic book. I thought we were past the whole "What would you prefer, yellow spandex?" idea that the comic costumes were too silly looking for live action.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Also, I wish they had followed up on First Class by making the outfits more colorful and closer to the look of the comic book. I thought we were past the whole "What would you prefer, yellow spandex?" idea that the comic costumes were too silly looking for live action.

Well they did have the comic outfits at the end.

 

[ehh]

Well they did have the comic outfits at the end.

Cyclops looks his best in this film IMO. The visor is so cool.

But as for things I didn't like, it usually stems down to the overload of continuity errors. And how this film wouldn't be over-complicated if First Class was a true reboot.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Well they did have the comic outfits at the end.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I always wished they would have given Wolverine a good outfit with the mask and everything. I suppose they didn't wanna cover up Jackman's face, but they coulda done something like Captain America where he often doesn't wear the mask.

 

[wnjcwjkk]

Cyclops looks his best in this film IMO. The visor is so cool.

But as for things I didn't like, it usually stems down to the overload of continuity errors. And how this film wouldn't be over-complicated if First Class was a true reboot.

I agree, it's a bit of a mess. Can't really blame the original writers, they had no idea it would be so successful or that there was about to start an era of CBM universes that were expected to be true to the source material, so they just put all their eggs in the Hugh Jackman as Wolverine basket, focused everything on him and Patrick Stewart/Ian McKellan, and threw in all the other characters without much thought to backstory or where they were going. By the time that era got started, those three characters were so popular that they had to keep them, and also got Jennifer Lawrence, so they made Mystique much more important and central to the storylines than I remember her being in the comics. I think the casting is great, and I really do like Jackman as Wolverine, and they made some good choices in the first four films that were worth following up on, but I can't help but feel like if they had rebooted at First Class, they could have totally freed themselves up, moreso than time travel retcons and completely forgetting about certain things. That final scene in DOFP just reminded me how badly Cyclops and Jean Grey were done in the first trilogy. But I can't fault them for keeping Jackman and just retconning the bad characterizations and stories, it just makes a lot of it feel sloppy, but I like the past couple movies, Logan looks good, and it looks like they might be doing the Dark Phoenix Saga correctly next.


I think the DOFP ending was a mistake, unless they somehow retcon that as well. It's like "Yeah, we're gonna be changing all kinds of things in the past, but still end up pretty much at the status quo of the original trilogy." And since Logan is Jackman's final film, are they just going to ignore that character from here on out in any future installments? Just seems like they're boxing themselves in.

 

[Darepool]

Pretty much everything minus Jean, Cyclops, Professor X and Magneto.

 

[Stan Lee]

1. Destruction porn. The final fight was just popcorn fare. Buildings collapsing and ground breaking but no perception of human casualty. Just there for the sake of creating the image of destruction but... wholly ineffective. Felt jarring and disconnected.

This movie was following Apocalypse's definitive and best storyline X-Factor: Mutant of The Mutants. Which featured tons of destruction.

http://stay-tuned-true-believers.tu.../x-men-apocalypse-compared-to-the-comic-books

3. Horrible use of Apocalypse. A potentially great villain and wonderful actor bogged down by a poor script and execution. His powers were poorly explained and inconsistent - he'd do something incredible one time then completely forget about it the next. He didn't feel threatening at all.

Apocalypse powers are not clearly defined in the comics as well. But I don't see how he was inconsistent.

4. Weak narrative. There was little character development. Instead of focusing on several characters and building them up, we instead get too many new characters that each only get limited screen time. By the end of the film I didn't feel like I understood any of the characters any more than I did when I first met them.

What new characters? We've seen them in previous films with their backgrounds already fleshed out.

5. The plot was convoluted. Why did he need the 4 horsemen? Why did he send the nukes up? The movie felt like a one-note infomercial used to introduce all these new characters.

It stated several times that he needs them to protect him when he switches bodies.

8. No emotive beats. Where were the emotional parts of the movie? Magneto's family was killed way too early - before I was able to connect and felt the weight of their loss. Havok's death was sudden, with no build up. It held no gravity and felt done just for the sake of having someone die. Quicksilver's father storyline felt forced into the plot just to bring his character in. There was nothing emotional to anchor the viewer.

We were more like a plot device to get Magneto into depression so he can be influence by Apocalypse.

They also, as far as I can tell, didn't explain why Mystique, disguised as Stryker, fished Wolverine out of the lake, and then the real Stryker got hold of him.

They don't need to. They explained that in the previous films. Wolverine volunteered for Weapon X.

 

[Stan Lee]

Fine they messed up the Phoenix story

Oh it had way more problems than that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh it had way more problems than that.

Definitely, X3 is garbage.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Watched this last night for the first time since the theaters, and let's just say hi-def is not kind to the special effects. I knew they were subpar, but it is really clear now. It is shocking for a big budget film in 2016.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Watched this last night for the first time since the theaters, and let's just say hi-def is not kind to the special effects. I knew they were subpar, but it is really clear now. It is shocking for a big budget film in 2016.

Yeah the effects are bad. The visual effects from X3 look better than Apocalypse, and that was 10 years ago.

Not quite sure what happened. DOFP had pretty good special effects.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Effects guys had their hands filled with jungle book