Thor Ragnarok Spoilers - Part 2

They mention about the wormhole collapsing on itself in the Avengers. So I guess the Tessaract needs more set up and stuff. And maybe Hela knows the rainbow bridge is still the easiest and safest way to reach other realms. Didn't Heimdall say in Thor 1 that if the bridge is directed at some realm for too long that realm will perish?

 

Yes that's true. The Bifrost is basically a WMD lol.

 

So maybe that's why she wants the Bifrost more than the cube. See, it all makes sense.

 

Ha good point. But I'm sure Hela could wreck **** with the Tesseract too. But why bring out the big guns so fast?

 

It was interesting to see how the Eternal Flame was the thing that really got her attention.
"But this... the Eternal Flame. Want to see what true power really looks like?"

 

There's no reason for Hela to go for the Tesseract during the film. It's just a short matter of time before she finds the sword, and remember that while a lot happens on Sakaar time flows much more slowly there so Hela isn't on Asgard that long.

It makes no sense for her to neither panic and throw herself right after Plan B, nor to start invading other planets when she hasn't even gotten Asgard in order yet.

Ergo I'd go so far as to say that it would be weird if Hela used the Tesseract to go somewhere else in the timespan of the film.

 

Yeh and even though Hela is insanely powerful she isn't stupid. And it makes sense for her to establish her domain first, gather her troops, take full control of Asgard and then expand her domain from there onward. She could have started wrecking shop on Earth when she appeared but then again her attention was elsewhere.

 

Some good points. The other thought is - she didn't need the Bifrost sword out there in the hands of rebels - out of her control. Get that back first. Get your house in order.

 

Exactly.

And she was just waiting for Heimdall and the sword to be found. Since they couldn't find both then they threaten to kill the civilians which is a natural step in terms of the villain getting what she wanted. Then of course the civilians are not thinking about the bigger picture but about the short term future of their family and friends and they come out saying where the others are hiding.

Hela finds the spot where they where hiding and it's just when she is about to track them down that Thor gathers her attention by sitting on her throne and provoking her with Gungnir.

 

Apparently Hela needed the Bifost to travel across the Multiverse. But then how was she able to get to Midgard and Norway?

 

I thought it was poor not to explain that, even slightly).
I just made up in my mind she'd be released where Odin died.

 

And in "Thor" both Odin and Loki use Gungnir (Odin's spear) to open the Bifrost. Odin does that while banishing Thor to earth and Loki uses it to destroy Jotunheim. Hela was wielding Gungnir in Ragnarok and didn't use it. One may say that she didn't know that she would have been able to open the Bifrost with it but I can't imagine that she wouldn't be aware of that fact.

 

Odin's life force was keeping her imprisoned. When he passed she was released and he was on Midgard.

 

That's a good point about Gungnir if true that she had it in her possession. Which scene was that? I remember Thor wielding it against her but don't remember her having it. I need to watch the film again. If she did have it in her possession perhaps there were enchantments she couldn't break?

 

Saw the film for the second time a couple of days ago. In the scene where she talks with Skurge about him beeing her executioner, Hela sits on the throne and Gungnir lies directly next to her. So perhaps there were indeed some enchantments and therefore she couldn't use it.

 

It's Hela's sexiest scene in the hole movie. Imo
When Hela is sitting on the throne, Gungnir is right in the middle of it... Hela is leaning to the right side with her hips right next to the spear.

Sexy as hell pose. And one can easily miss everything else happening in that particular scene. t:

 

Haha that's probably why I didn't notice Gungnir.

 

So she was imprisoned on Midgard?

 

Man I was REALLY hoping to see The Destroyer again when she went down into Odin's vault.

 

It could be that she was, and Odin went to that place at the end of his life, but it's probably simpler to assume that the way out was linked to Odin and would be where he was.

We can probably choose what explanation we like for ourselves as magic isn't really meant to be fully explained, or else it will lose the feel of just that... magic.

 

Is the true power line a call back to Loki from the Avengers as well? If it was intentional, this movie just works on so many different levels, its amazing.

 

Yes that was my thinking as well.

 

It was clear that TDW happened in 2013 because it was after The Avengers and two years after the events in Thor. Jane was stupidly pissed at Thor for not visiting her during the Chitauri invasion. She complained that it had been two years since she last saw him (in 2011).

The nonsense in TDW wrapped up quickly and Thor spent the time between that and AOU on Earth, with Jane and helping the team hunt for the scepter. Loki didn't banish Heimdall during that time, apparently. He probably waited until Thor left on his quest before ousting Heimdall and maybe Sif.

 

One of the things that felt really fresh and new about TR was the ending.
The heroes having to choose the lesser of 2 evils. They couldn't defeat Hela so either they would all die trying and then have a ton of asguardian casualties, with them also being enslaved/killed after that... And not to talk about what Hela's plans where to the rest of the Nine Realms and the Universe. She was just going to keep going and cause a lot of bad stuff.

Or they could unleash Surtur and make him fulfill his destiny by destroying Asgard and the source of Hela's power. This would create a conflict between Hela and Surtur which would lead to them fighting each other and one defeating the other. Since Ragnarok couldn't be averted, Surtur prime was the right choice and the one that could really stop Hela... Hela's defeat came at a cost. The destruction of Asgard.

It was epic to see Hela going at Surtur and trying to stop the inevitable. That final battle between the 2 villains was something new to the MCU, something i don't remember seeing before...

 

Very insightful interview.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/taika-waititi-interview-thor-ragnarok-hunt-for-the-wilderpeople-valkyrie-han-solo-imperialism-a8048106.html