Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 1

[meanmc]

Hmm, i like the story from geek.com ...

Although i would like to see a real "Planet Hulk" movie.
And, i miss Surtur alot - seems, that he is not included in the whole "Ragnarok" story?

That Thor will be banished is not a news - we could read that some months ago.

I am still optimistic about the movie, and i expect a great one.
But, i would prefer to see a movie, where on one side are Thor, Odin and the Asgardians and on the other side Surtur and his army plus Loki.
A big battle, and Loki switches sides, and the Asgardians win.

But it seems, that this will not happen...
Think we see Thanos (in a minor role), and no Surtur...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I have no clue of how any of this ties into ragnorok. but it sounds like it's not the last incarnation of it in the books.. but more like the older first incarnation. where they prevented it?

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah, I guess we've all been assuming it's the last Ragnarok story, where Thor let it happen to try to end the cycle. But after that comic, Thor disappeared for what, 5 years or something? Guessing Marvel doesn't want to let the Cinematic Asgardians get so thoroughly wiped out, especially with Thor being included in Infinity Wars... and who knows when there might be another Thor solo flick to adapt JMS's run and bring everybody back.

An earlier Ragnarok story seems much more likely to be the inspiration.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I just hope they keep doing Thor solos and don't stop at 3.. he has probably the richest mythology yet to be explored...

 

[BoredGuy]

I just want to see a film version of Thor #600 at some point in my life

The story could be paper thin and just a set up for an epic hour-and-a-half long fight and I wouldn't mind one bit

 

[meanmc]

I just hope they keep doing Thor solos and don't stop at 3.. he has probably the richest mythology yet to be explored...

Yes...
And i really like to see the Beta Rey Bill story!!

If the geek.com story is right, they should have used HIM, and not Hulk

 

[TheVision]

This movie is gonna be SICK.

 

[Mike Murdock]

At this point, Geek.com is pushing their luck. Have they actually had a scoop come out as true yet? They've built a lot of attention for themselves, but, unless their scooper is Kevin Feige, I'm finding it hard to believe they have this much inside information.

 

[Silvermoon]

At this point, Geek.com is pushing their luck. Have they actually had a scoop come out as true yet? They've built a lot of attention for themselves, but, unless their scooper is Kevin Feige, I'm finding it hard to believe they have this much inside information.

Like I said (either in this thread or one of the others... I can't even keep track of their 'scoops' now), I feel like they're just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope Thor doesn't get his head shaved. They can do anything else to him, but leave his hair. Thor with a shaven head does not go.

 

[meanmc]

"I don’t even know… Basically how I pitched it was like, he just needs to be the most interesting character."

That would be nice. I think we missed that last time.

"Yeah, if you’re going to call the movie Thor, Thor has to be the best character."

That sounds right!! Hope so...

 

[Johnny-Oh]

The geek.com story is AWFUL! Feige described the movie to be really important for the MCU and that just sounds like another disposable adventure like TDW.

Not sure how I feel about Waititi's comments. I don't think they should reinvent the character at this point in the MCU and when he talked about the movie he seemed to focus on the fact that this is such a great opportunity to him rather than the actual film itself. It's too early to be worried but for now I'm not very optimistic either

 

[doink]

Like I said (either in this thread or one of the others... I can't even keep track of their 'scoops' now), I feel like they're just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.

It's one of the Latino Review guys putting out these 'scoops' so...yeah. Could be some grains of truth here and there (Hela being the main villain and merging her with Death makes sense for one thing, I still don't think Hulk's jet ended up in space though, it'll probably be something like he got beamed up by Heimdall or whoever), but probably mostly false.

 

[First Avenger]

https://***********/TaikaWaititi/status/691774078944935936

 

[piccolo]

All I want is a Winter Soldier-first Iron Man tone.
Actually that's the tone I want for most of the Marvel films.

I feel that the Thor movies had so much potential and they've never capitalized on it. TOne isn't right, scope isn't big enough, etc.

Exactly right. Marvel has failed the Thor franchise so far in comparison to their other ventures, and it has everything to do with tone and lack of ambition. Thor 2 was my "hall pass" movie for Marvel, mediocre is the best word for it, and Thor 1 (though charming) wasn't exactly amazing either considering the grand slams they've showed they can hit with WS and Iron Man 1.

Everything i've heard so far about Ragnarok has been a complete trainwreck. How do you manage to ruin the Planet Hulk AND Ragnarok stories at once?? Its actually hard to believe anyone could get things so wrong. Could very well be the first Marvel movie I refuse to see in theaters.

The Thor franchise has suffered from Marvel's apparent idea that no Thor movie is complete without a love story and jokes. Even though Winter Soldier, their best or 2nd best effort so far, was entirely absent of both. The other comic book movie that's an icon? The Dark Knight. Also dark in tone.

They picked the wrong franchise to turn into a comedy fest. Leave that to Guardians and Iron Man, Thor possesses storylines that don't have and don't need a comedic presence to work. Ragnarok in particular is not an event that one would expect to belly laugh during.

I know i'm rambling but i'm very angry at this whole thing. The Thor franchise has been a debacle as far as i'm concerned, when it had the most potential out of all of them. The same writers who did Winter Soldier are on Thor, and yet this is the product we get? It's beyond frustrating knowing the caliber of work they're CAPABLE of.

 

[Sleiek]

I agree. My favorite Marvel comics hero is Thor. He is supposed to be more serious than is portrayed in the films. Chris Hemworth can definitely do it if they just changed the tone a little. Every time I think of Thor, I think of this massive intimidating serious person with an undeniably epic chorus filled score in the background. I haven't found that moment where both are present at the same time yet. Screw humor, there's plenty of it in other marvel films.

 

[jaqua99]

Hmm, i like the story from geek.com ...

Although i would like to see a real "Planet Hulk" movie.
And, i miss Surtur alot - seems, that he is not included in the whole "Ragnarok" story?

That Thor will be banished is not a news - we could read that some months ago.

I am still optimistic about the movie, and i expect a great one.
But, i would prefer to see a movie, where on one side are Thor, Odin and the Asgardians and on the other side Surtur and his army plus Loki.
A big battle, and Loki switches sides, and the Asgardians win.

But it seems, that this will not happen...
Think we see Thanos (in a minor role), and no Surtur...

I agree. My favorite Marvel comics hero is Thor. He is supposed to be more serious than is portrayed in the films. Chris Hemworth can definitely do it if they just changed the tone a little. Every time I think of Thor, I think of this massive intimidating serious person with an undeniably epic chorus filled score in the background. I haven't found that moment where both are present at the same time yet. Screw humor, there's plenty of it in other marvel films.

This. And I've been commenting on the Surtur thing for a while. It seems like we will get no Surtur, which is just stupid. Hopefully their "plan" (if that part is true anyway) involves Surtur, otherwise I may feel a bit disappointed.

Thor is handled like "one of the guys"... the best characterization of him was in the first movie and the best damn "Thor" moment was when he got his power back, there was something so godly about that.

 

[Sleiek]

Yeah. IMO, the first Thor movie was better than all Iron Man movies. First time magic was introduced and Thor changed from being a reckless ******* to a well behaved sympathetic being. Of course they could have made it a little more epic, but Kenneth Branagh did a great job for one of the first Marvel Studios Films. And I loved that scene where he gets his powers back.

 

[ALittlePush]

I quite like the Thor movies as they are. It's nice to have an enjoyable film with humour instead of everything being grim all the time. I think Thor gets the balance right with both serious and light-hearted moments.

The only complaint I have with the Thor films is that some of the scenes that get cut should be in the movies because they actually add another level of depth to the characters.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Yeah. IMO, the first Thor movie was better than all Iron Man movies. First time magic was introduced and Thor changed from being a reckless ******* to a well behaved sympathetic being. Of course they could have made it a little more epic, but Kenneth Branagh did a great job for one of the first Marvel Studios Films. And I loved that scene where he gets his powers back.

Ask yourself this question. Have any of the Thor movies felt/looked like a fantastic "adventure" in the tune of Lord of the Rings? The obvious answer is no and that's a huge problem. It's been a franchise that has suffered drastically from Avengerism and the rush to get him back to the group.

Branagh did well with the interpersonal stuff in the first film - but he was hamstrung by the budget of a movie who's subject matter was a bit risky at the time.

The 2nd film was visually was better looking, but it failed miserably to take the franchise to a new level. They went through 5-6 different scribes putting that screenplay together and it showed. Surprisingly Alan Taylor seemed a bit over his head and it didn't help that he and the Marvel execs couldn't see eye-to-eye on the finished product.

Marvel needs to get it through their heads that the GA has accepted him, so they can dial down their insistence on using comedy to try and make the "is he a God" subject matter more palatable.

 

[Sleiek]

Yes, if you checked my second last comment (#741), you will see I am pretty much agreeing with you.

In the beginning of the second film, Thor and his warrior friends were fighting in a different realm and it never felt as epic as LOTR. They missed the opportunity. The only thing that came even close was the intro where they introduce the Dark Elves and Bor (Father of Odin). That scene was apparently directed by someone else and it shows.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah it was directed by Tim Miller, the first-timer whose doing Deadpool
and he pulled it off better than Taylor by a mile
I'da been stoked if that prologue continued for the next two hours instead of the movie we got

but I agree, Thor 1 was excellent, My favorite Marvel Origin flick after IM1

 

[JtheDreamer]

Yes, if you checked my second last comment (#741), you will see I am pretty much agreeing with you.

In the beginning of the second film, Thor and his warrior friends were fighting in a different realm and it never felt as epic as LOTR. They missed the opportunity. The only thing that came even close was the intro where they introduce the Dark Elves and Bor (Father of Odin). That scene was apparently directed by someone else and it shows.

I loved that opening sequence. The fight choreography was infinitely better than what we get later in the film when the Dark Elves invaded the castle. Not to mention Bor was awesome. I wanted to see so much more of him and then ***POOOOF*** gone.

Which reminds me. I hope they ditch the narrated intro. We've gotten it in both Thor movies and it's played out. What's even worse is that it was basically spewed out again when Odin shows Thor and Jane the book about the Dark Elves.

 

[meanmc]

I have a question - maybe some of you can answer this!

As you are talking about the "beginning of the second movie" - how can it be, that a handful of Asgardians are beating down one "kursed" (as seen in one scene), but later, no "army", not even Thor, could beat the "kursed" Dark Elf??

Is there a good explanation?

 

[JtheDreamer]

I have a question - maybe some of you can answer this!

As you are talking about the "beginning of the second movie" - how can it be, that a handful of Asgardians are beating down one "kursed" (as seen in one scene), but later, no "army", not even Thor, could beat the "kursed" Dark Elf??

Is there a good explanation?

I wondered about the same inconsistency. My only guess is the Kursed pill Malekith gave Algrim was the most powerful one they ever created.