Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - Part 1

[Johnny-Oh]

I don't like how TDW changed the perception about the first Thor, the first one was great and the tone was perfect! I don't think people realize how dramatic that movie was, it was the perfect balance of humor, epicness and drama. But now because TDW was mediocre everyone is projecting that on the first one was well.

It's kinda the opposite with the Captain America movies, I always loved the first one but a lot of people didn't care for it until the Winter Soldier and suddenly Cap became their favorite character.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I adore the first THOR film. It had a high hurdle of difficulty given how "funky" the Thor mythos at Marvel is in comparison to a lot of their roster. And... They nailed it. Sure, it could have been a bit larger in scope, but given the results I was very happy, and looking forward to the second film... Then I saw it and I cannot stress how disappointing almost every choice made for TDW was for myself.

This is why this film has a bit of a "comeback" narrative going on. Lots found TDW suboptimal and are hoping for a different kind of execution of an epic story than TDW. I hope that the presence of characters like Hela and with a title like RAGNAROK that they push the GOTG/TDW vibe into the background and play up the mythological epic nature of the character.

 

[First Avenger]

People are bashing Waititi all over his twitter account. Fanboys are such a stupid race. Peyton Reed even tweeted to him "it's your turn now!".

 

[CaptainWagner]

People are bashing Waititi all over his twitter account. Fanboys are such a stupid race. Peyton Reed even tweeted to him "it's your turn now!".

Yep. As a future film student and wannabe major motion picture writer & director, I dream of directing a movie like this. But then I see how a certain sector of the fan base behaves and it suddenly seems a little less appealing...

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

People are bashing Waititi all over his twitter account. Fanboys are such a stupid race. Peyton Reed even tweeted to him "it's your turn now!".

This negativity is exactly why I avoid these forums these days. Just such a downer for someone who enjoys these films. People have made it a full time occupation to talk endlessly about how mediocre they feel the Thor films are particularly the last one. We get it. You didn't like them. Move on already.

And for the all the anti-humor folks I don't know what Thor comics they were reading growing up but Thor always made me laugh. Tongue-in-cheek Waititi tweets a comical, classic moment in Thor's greatest run and people lose their $#!t. A bunch of faux fans is what they are.

I've said it time and again Thor is not LOTR. Kirby and Lee created a wacky mashup of mythology, fantasy, sci-fi and superheroics. There's nothing LOTR whatsoever about the Wrecking Crew, the Absorbing Man, the Rigellians, the Recorder, Planet Ego or Zarrko the Tomorrow Man. Frodo Baggins never hopped in a space ship, Gandalf never traveled through time and Aragorn never joined the Avengers and fought in New York City. Just stop already. Geez...

 

[JtheDreamer]

This negativity is exactly why I avoid these forums these days. Just such a downer for someone who enjoys these films. People have made it a full time occupation to talk endlessly about how mediocre they feel the Thor films are particularly the last one. We get it. You didn't like them. Move on already.

And for the all the anti-humor folks I don't know what Thor comics they were reading growing up but Thor always made me laugh. Tongue-in-cheek Waititi tweets a comical, classic moment in Thor's greatest run and people lose their $#!t. A bunch of faux fans is what they are.

I've said it time and again Thor is not LOTR. Kirby and Lee created a wacky mashup of mythology, fantasy, sci-fi and superheroics. There's nothing LOTR whatsoever about the Wrecking Crew, the Absorbing Man, the Rigellians, the Recorder, Planet Ego or Zarrko the Tomorrow Man. Frodo Baggins never hopped in a space ship, Gandalf never traveled through time and Aragorn never joined the Avengers and fought in New York City. Just stop already. Geez...

Farce.

The Avengers stuff is besides the point. On his own, comic book Thor has had fantastic adventures and journeys in the vein of LOTR, it's just that it had the space Viking element to it.

Humor has been both a part of some Thor runs and not in others - so to sit there and say it's encompassed it throughout is also a stretch.

 

[LowlifeZar]

I never ever got such a LOTR vibe from reading any Thor comics, personally. I think the first Thor movie really got the look and feel of the franchise right. It just needed a few tweaks.
I didn't hate it but I personally wasn't a big fan of Alan Taylor's Asgard with the super bright blue sky and green scenery but I think that is why people compare it to LOTR now. I feel like it took away the cosmic feel from this floating and mythical celestial body.
Not really a complaint but a nitpick. I really want this film to hit the right notes and change plenty of minds. Im looking more forward to this film than any other in the upcoming MCU lineup.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Farce.

The Avengers stuff is besides the point. On his own, comic book Thor has had fantastic adventures and journeys in the vein of LOTR, it's just that it had the space Viking element to it.

Humor has been both a part of some Thor runs and not in others - so to sit there and say it's encompassed it throughout is also a stretch.

It's not a farce. Thor has over FIFTY YEARS of comic history. You want to focus on a single subset of that entire history as if your fandom counts more than others. Lee/Kirby, Conway, Wein, Thomas, Simonson, DeFalco, Jurgens all focused on the sci-fi/superhero elements just as much as the fantasy with absurd premises throughout. Frog Thor case in point. Straczynski, Oeming, Fraction, Aaron etc. were more heavy handed and dramatic but Thor changed with Straczynski. Marvel's trying to strike a tone that encompasses the entire body of work. Not easy.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I never ever got such a LOTR vibe from reading any Thor comics, personally. I think the first Thor movie really got the look and feel of the franchise right. It just needed a few tweaks.
I didn't hate it but I personally wasn't a big fan of Alan Taylor's Asgard with the super bright blue sky and green scenery but I think that is why people compare it to LOTR now. I feel like it took away the cosmic feel from this floating and mythical celestial body.
Not really a complaint but a nitpick. I really want this film to hit the right notes and change plenty of minds. Im looking more forward to this film than any other in the upcoming MCU lineup.

 

[meanmc]

I am really confused...

Hearing something like "Ragnarok" and "End of Days" and "important movie"... and till now, i know - just rumors, it sounds more like a "next Thor adventure".

I get it, that Hela could be important for Thanos, and for "bringing back some dead Avengers", but i expected something complete different... (after what Marvel told us)

What i asking myself...
Now, that Marvel (Disney) confirmed, that they will continue making Marvel movies, and that should also mean continue making movies with Thor, Captain America, Iron Man and co., how they want to name the REAL Ragnarok movie event? "Ragnarok 2 - the real deal"?

 

[eeffos]

I don't like how TDW changed the perception about the first Thor, the first one was great and the tone was perfect! I don't think people realize how dramatic that movie was, it was the perfect balance of humor, epicness and drama. But now because TDW was mediocre everyone is projecting that on the first one was well.

It's kinda the opposite with the Captain America movies, I always loved the first one but a lot of people didn't care for it until the Winter Soldier and suddenly Cap became their favorite character.

So, so true. I couldn't say it any better. It seems certain people have selective memories and unfortunately no matter what Marvel does for the Thor franchise these people have decided Thor is unwatchable. They will do their best to convince everyone else too.
I for one have great hope for this new direction that Waititi wants to go in.
My favorite quote of his was his pitch to Marvel - " This movie should be about Thor". How simple is that????......and yet has any director really tried doing that yet? They've concentrated on Loki, Jane, but have they really spent a movie on the title character (not wasting it on earth characters, on jealous brothers, etc.), no they haven't.
Now we get a chance to see Thor go up against a new villian (Blanchant?) and possibly teaming up with the Hulk!
That team up has all sorts of new possibilities (and where you could add the humor).
I guess what I'm saying is it seems whenever info comes out about his movie, people automatically hate on it, I hope Waititi knocks it out of the park!

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

So, so true. I couldn't say it any better. It seems certain people have selective memories and unfortunately no matter what Marvel does for the Thor franchise these people have decided Thor is unwatchable. They will do their best to convince everyone else too.
I for one have great hope for this new direction that Waititi wants to go in.
My favorite quote of his was his pitch to Marvel - " This movie should be about Thor". How simple is that????......and yet has any director really tried doing that yet? They've concentrated on Loki, Jane, but have they really spent a movie on the title character (not wasting it on earth characters, on jealous brothers, etc.), no they haven't.
Now we get a chance to see Thor go up against a new villian (Blanchant?) and possibly teaming up with the Hulk!
That team up has all sorts of new possibilities (and where you could add the humor).
I guess what I'm saying is it seems whenever info comes out about his movie, people automatically hate on it, I hope Waititi knocks it out of the park!

I agree. Best news I've heard about this film yet.

 

[jaqua99]

Agreed.

However this has me worried http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/chris-hemsworth-thor-ragnarok-spoiler_us_56a718f4e4b0b87beec5e87b?ir=Entertainment&section=us_entertainment&utm_hp_ref=entertainment

Granted, he still hasn't seen the script but he said it will be funnier than the dark world.
Hmm, hopefully there is some seriousness to the tone

 

[InCali]

I just sort of stumbled onto this thread because Thor was my favorite character from the earlier days of Marvel comics (Dr. Strange was right up there too). I haven't read too much of the later comics so can't comment on how things changed. The thing I liked about Thor was that he was really a rather kind, gentle soul and thoughtful to boot (although you didn't really want to go pissing him off). EDIT: He had a certain nobility about him. I thought they did a very nice job on the Thor movies. No, I didn't like TDW as much as the first, but I didn't hate it. I KNOW they can do a good job and Hemsworth was a really good choice. It'll be interesting to see what they do with Ragnarok. I'm not sure how Hulk fits into all of this, but I hope it mainly takes place off earth.

He also used words like "Hearken" which I thought was pretty cool.

 

[Sleiek]

Granted, he still hasn't seen the script but he said it will be funnier than the dark world.
Hmm, hopefully there is some seriousness to the tone

Yeah, Thor was more serious than Thor 2 and as long as this movie has less humor than Thor, I will be fine with it. If this movie turns out to be even a tiny bit better than THOR, then it must be great.

 

[The Ironstar]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...aititi-on-how-hes-changing-things-up#/slide/1

A more serious statement. He basically wants to reinvent the character. Sounds promising.

About to read it,but 1st:How 'bout Thor being JKK Thor's? End of statement.

 

[Mjölnir]

I like everything I hear from Waititi. I still haven't seen any of his movies but his mindset seems just right. The main character should certainly be the most interesting and him trying to reinvent the character does seem in line with what Feige said on the phase 3 reveal, as he said that Ragnarok would be for Thor what TWS was for Cap.

As for the rumored story I kind of doubt it, but even if it's true I think some reactions have been a bit off since the rumor didn't feel like it said everything about the movie, more like the first act of it. But still, it's not a highly trustworthy source and it really feels like something that could be made up to get a lot of spread as people have been talking about Planet Hulk.

In any case I'm not worried thanks to Waititi.

 

[ALittlePush]

I for one have great hope for this new direction that Waititi wants to go in.
My favorite quote of his was his pitch to Marvel - " This movie should be about Thor". How simple is that????......and yet has any director really tried doing that yet? They've concentrated on Loki, Jane, but have they really spent a movie on the title character (not wasting it on earth characters, on jealous brothers, etc.), no they haven't.

Whilst I agree that the movies could perhaps re-centre on Thor a bit more, I think doing so too much to the exclusion of the supporting characters would be a bad move.

I agree we could do with less Jane as there isn't much storyline for her outside of Thor's girlfriend and the only time when she'll have emotional impact on the story is when she's old and close to dying and then it'll be about how Thor is going cope with that imminent loss.

Loki, on the other hand, plays an important role. He is the villain to Thor's hero, however it's not that black and white. It would be a boring movie if it was. Loki has his reasons for doing what he does that don't make him entirely unsympathetic, and the fact that he is Thor's brother adds the dilemma for Thor that he wants to save Loki but at the same time he may have to kill Loki to save a lot of people.

Basically, (as an extreme example) if you were to have a movie focussed on entirely on Thor sitting on a couch, would you rather:
a) have Thor sitting alone
b) have Thor sitting with Jane
c) have Thor sitting with Loki

Thor needs other characters to bounce off of that have their own lives and stories that don't revolve around Thor.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I adore the first THOR film. It had a high hurdle of difficulty given how "funky" the Thor mythos at Marvel is in comparison to a lot of their roster. And... They nailed it. Sure, it could have been a bit larger in scope, but given the results I was very happy, and looking forward to the second film... Then I saw it and I cannot stress how disappointing almost every choice made for TDW was for myself.

This is why this film has a bit of a "comeback" narrative going on. Lots found TDW suboptimal and are hoping for a different kind of execution of an epic story than TDW. I hope that the presence of characters like Hela and with a title like RAGNAROK that they push the GOTG/TDW vibe into the background and play up the mythological epic nature of the character.

Can't agree more with this. Loved and still love the first Thor movie, still one of the best MCU movies for me. The sequel was such a disappointment in pretty much every aspect.

 

[Sleiek]

The sequel wasn't completely disappointing though. I appreciated the Asgard scenes. After the first film, (my jaw dropped when they first showed Asgard, like literally) I wanted to see more of Asgard and the TDW tried to deliver and it did a pretty good job.

You know what I really want? A bigger role for Idris Elba's Heimdal. I want to see him fighting alongside Thor. He is my second favorite character from the Thor films.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The sequel wasn't completely disappointing though. I appreciated the Asgard scenes. After the first film, (my jaw dropped when they first showed Asgard, like literally) I wanted to see more of Asgard and the TDW tried to deliver and it did a pretty good job.

You know what I really want? A bigger role for Idris Elba's Heimdal. I want to see him fighting alongside Thor. He is my second favorite character from the Thor films.

For me the Asgard scenes didn't have the same verve as the first movie. I remember it first come on the screen in the first movie and just being awed. Didn't really get that with the sequel.

The sequel is not terrible or anything, but what people wanted more of we got less of. And instead we got more Darcy. I liked Darcy in the first movie. But she had no business getting a bigger role in the sequel.

Agree about Heimdall, my 2nd favourite as well, hope we see more of him in the 3rd movie. Which I am looking forward to.

 

[JtheDreamer]

You know what I really want? A bigger role for Idris Elba's Heimdal. I want to see him fighting alongside Thor. He is my second favorite character from the Thor films.

You know why we've never gotten it? They're always too busy trying to pay fan service to Loki and Jane.

 

[eeffos]

Whilst I agree that the movies could perhaps re-centre on Thor a bit more, I think doing so too much to the exclusion of the supporting characters would be a bad move.

I agree we could do with less Jane as there isn't much storyline for her outside of Thor's girlfriend and the only time when she'll have emotional impact on the story is when she's old and close to dying and then it'll be about how Thor is going cope with that imminent loss.

Loki, on the other hand, plays an important role. He is the villain to Thor's hero, however it's not that black and white. It would be a boring movie if it was. Loki has his reasons for doing what he does that don't make him entirely unsympathetic, and the fact that he is Thor's brother adds the dilemma for Thor that he wants to save Loki but at the same time he may have to kill Loki to save a lot of people.

Basically, (as an extreme example) if you were to have a movie focussed on entirely on Thor sitting on a couch, would you rather:
a) have Thor sitting alone
b) have Thor sitting with Jane
c) have Thor sitting with Loki

Thor needs other characters to bounce off of that have their own lives and stories that don't revolve around Thor.

That's why you bring in Hela, a brand new villain to go up against Thor, and you bring in the Hulk for a brand new dynamic on bringing out a whole new side to both characters as they learn to put aside their pride and work together, plus let's face it, both in the 1st Avengers movie and in the comics Thor and Hulk have an incredible history together (and as I said before, if they need to add some humor in this movie, where better than Thor and Hulk trying to be on the same page when talking strategy ?).
If you bring to much Loki into this movie they are going to feel pressured to give him more and more screen time like Alan Taylor did. Have Blanchett be the main baddy with a cameo from Loki setting up what he's up to behind the scenes.

The Winter Soldier had no romance, it proved you don't need to follow that formula. There is no need for the earth characters (including Jane for nothing more than cameos).

 

[BoredGuy]

So, so true. I couldn't say it any better. It seems certain people have selective memories and unfortunately no matter what Marvel does for the Thor franchise these people have decided Thor is unwatchable. They will do their best to convince everyone else too.
I for one have great hope for this new direction that Waititi wants to go in.
My favorite quote of his was his pitch to Marvel - " This movie should be about Thor". How simple is that????......and yet has any director really tried doing that yet? They've concentrated on Loki, Jane, but have they really spent a movie on the title character (not wasting it on earth characters, on jealous brothers, etc.), no they haven't.
Now we get a chance to see Thor go up against a new villian (Blanchant?) and possibly teaming up with the Hulk!
That team up has all sorts of new possibilities (and where you could add the humor).
I guess what I'm saying is it seems whenever info comes out about his movie, people automatically hate on it, I hope Waititi knocks it out of the park!

but see, this I find just a tad hypocritical
You say people have selective memories, but yet you're seemingly selectively forgetting that Branagh's 'Thor' was most definitely about Thor. Loki made a big impression, and may have stolen a number of scenes he was in. But the movie was still very much about Thor learning and growing and becoming a more competent ruler.

I agree with Waititi (well that's fun to type) about making Thor more interesting than he was in TDW, but Thor 1- and even AoU for that matter- showed him to be an interesting and layered character (though he was obviously not the sole focus in the latter)

 

[InCali]

That's why you bring in Hela, a brand new villain to go up against Thor, and you bring in the Hulk for a brand new dynamic on bringing out a whole new side to both characters as they learn to put aside their pride and work together, plus let's face it, both in the 1st Avengers movie and in the comics Thor and Hulk have an incredible history together (and as I said before, if they need to add some humor in this movie, where better than Thor and Hulk trying to be on the same page when talking strategy ?).
If you bring to much Loki into this movie they are going to feel pressured to give him more and more screen time like Alan Taylor did. Have Blanchett be the main baddy with a cameo from Loki setting up what he's up to behind the scenes.

The Winter Soldier had no romance, it proved you don't need to follow that formula. There is no need for the earth characters (including Jane for nothing more than cameos).

True. In the early comics, Hulk and Thor were the 2 strongest characters in Marvel and they fought a few times. I remember one from way back where Thor was allowed to put his hammer down without changing back into Dr. Blake (It used to be that if he didn't have his hammer for a certain period of time, he'd change into a skinny doctor and his hammer turned into a cane....I don't know if they changed that later on) so he could fight the Hulk hand to hand. He did very well too. The implication at that time was that with his hammer that he could defeat the Hulk.