Thor: Ragnarok The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - - Part 13

[HammerDown]

Her favorite Marvel movie.

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[RoastBeast]

^That article is... Yeah sorry. It's first paragraph let's you know the film itself doesn't come to the conclusion it's author is trying to sell. I would have preferred a lot more dramatic meat in this film but... Some of these articles feel like the authors are looking for themes and POVs that just aren't there in the least.

This was nothing new though. I've spent years arguing that something smelled rotten in Asgard. Why else would the Nine Realms have erupted into chaos and rebellion the moment the Bifrost was broken? Why did Asgard have that whopping big prison in the basement? They were conquered people and wanted o.u.t... and there's a reason Thor decided to head to Earth, it's the least angry realm, and that's saying something.

 

[Finarfiniel]

^That article is... Yeah sorry. It's first paragraph let's you know the film itself doesn't come to the conclusion it's author is trying to sell. I would have preferred a lot more dramatic meat in this film but... Some of these articles feel like the authors are looking for themes and POVs that just aren't there in the least.

Just because you don't see depth and 'dramatic meat' in the plot of Ragnarok, it doesn't mean that it's not there and that others don't see it. I've seen Ragnarok 5 times so far, and one thing I really appreciate about the film is that I've noticed new things every time I've seen it. It's such a fast-paced film all the way through that it's very easy to miss things the first time around. Two things in particular I like are a) how the revelations about Hela and Asgard's dirty past shed new light on Odin (as a king and father) and his relationship with his sons (I've since watched their scenes in Thor and TDW and it has retroactively made them more interesting) and b) the mild themes of anti-colonialism, anti-slavery and anti-imperialism that run throughout.

Yes, it's a big, loud, funny superhero movie. But to say that it has no depth whatsoever is just way off the mark.

 

[russian gal]

haha Jack Black is amazing. I dont care who invented it but the Immigrant song scenes are the coolest. I get goose bumps everytime I watch. especially in IMAX!
The impression of magic onscreen isnt going anywhere no matter how many times I watch.

Two things in particular I like are a) how the revelations about Hela and Asgard's dirty past shed new light on Odin (as a king and father) and his relationship with his sons (I've since watched their scenes in Thor and TDW and it has retroactively made them more interesting)

I wish a bit more time was spent on reactions of characters to Odin in a new light. Hela was a 100% villain but Odin is still mostly painted as this good granddad of a figure. I kind of understod Hela's POV!

the more I see the movie the more I notice

& I even cried 1 time at my yesterday's showing
Maybe its because a lot of things hapening in the movie something can go over your head & in the end mostly view it as a comedy but imo its not!

Also never really paid attention before but now I did & I hated extras' 'acting'. Once I paid attention to them it seemed pretty fake.....I caught myself not caring for them at all, only about Heimdall...or maybe Im just coldhearted ******

Also I noticed many more LOTR references t:Taika is a true New Zealander NZ was & is my dream country to visit. TToo bad the flight is too expensive ((


Basically its my new '5th Element' the movie I can & will potentially rewatch endlessly

 

[The Endless]

Odin being a bit of a bastard was hinted at in The Dark World. That is the reason Thor was questioning if he wanted to be King. A King has to make harsh decisions. Thor felt he wasn't ready for that.

In TDW is was completely underbaked. In Ragnarok it was a bit clearer, with the revelation about Hela basically being a weapon of Odin untill he had no further need of her.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yeah I remember a lot of people complaining about that turn of character with Odin in TDW. In the first Thor he comes across as this wise and benevolent king. But the truth is he was far from that. In TDW the cracks were beginning to show. People just didn't like seeing it. And then Hela comes and unearths all the skeletons in the closet. The events of Ragnarok cause everything that happened before it to make so more much sense now. Especially Odin's banishment of Thor and later Thor's rejection of the throne.

Obviously there was good in Odin. I mean, he did abandon his warmongering ways and served as a protector of the realms. He even recognized the same potential for bloodthirst in his son Thor as his firstborn Hela and put a prompt stop to it. But his methods were questionable to say the least. He was a very flawed character and considering how he handled his three children, a pretty terrible father. But easy to judge I guess.

 

[The Endless]

Well myth Odin and comics Odin has always had that... darker side to him. In fact there's been a few stories where he's a straight up *****e bag.

And yes his harshness with Thor makes more sense now. Odin obviously didn't want him to end up like Hela.

 

[Iceman]

Yes, quite a big downside if he mucks up Thor's development so probably better to play it safe.

 

[samsnee]

Odin has always had a bit of snark to him that I enjoyed.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Sorry, that line of "where do you think all this gold came from?" made it extremely obvious there were themes and concepts being explored and questioned in this movie that are way deeper than the flashy visuals and the narrative comedy suggests. And it definitely seems to be by design. People just have to look past the flash.

See this is my issue with this film, which I enjoyed immensely... One line with implications that are never truly addressed or explored doesn't equal depth or weight to me. There are tons of things that happen in the film that should have impact dramatically that just don't, and in my opinion it's cuz the humor, getting a joke in there, keeping things "light" neuter the drama or push it to the background. Nothing truly registers all that much because it's mandate to shove humor over drama and character stuff. Some, like Banner's arc, are literally just there to build up to a joke. It's a wonderful and entertaining film but it's dramatic impact is really lessened overall and as someone that was engaged by the arcs and character stuff from the first film I think it's a shame they couldn't let that material breath and register more.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Just because you don't see depth and 'dramatic meat' in the plot of Ragnarok, it doesn't mean that it's not there and that others don't see it. I've seen Ragnarok 5 times so far, and one thing I really appreciate about the film is that I've noticed new things every time I've seen it. It's such a fast-paced film all the way through that it's very easy to miss things the first time around. Two things in particular I like are a) how the revelations about Hela and Asgard's dirty past shed new light on Odin (as a king and father) and his relationship with his sons (I've since watched their scenes in Thor and TDW and it has retroactively made them more interesting) and b) the mild themes of anti-colonialism, anti-slavery and anti-imperialism that run throughout.

Yes, it's a big, loud, funny superhero movie. But to say that it has no depth whatsoever is just way off the mark.

And I think the film getting across any theme of anti-whatever simply feels like reaching. Let's not confuse Thor, in a comic book film no less, being a "slave" with some kind of serious commentary on the real world history of slavery and it's ripple effect to the modern day, especially with so much of his time as a "slave" is played for comedic effect. You stated my very issue, that it's so fast paced and breezy that things don't register all that much. Isn't needing to see a film five or more times to see it's "drama", I don't know, kind of a shortcoming in terms of how it handled it's dramatic material?

 

[Ranazza]

And I think the film getting across any theme of anti-whatever simply feels like reaching. Let's not confuse Thor, in a comic book film no less, being a "slave" with some kind of serious commentary on the real world history of slavery and it's ripple effect to the modern day, especially with so much of his time as a "slave" is played for comedic effect. You stated my very issue, that it's so fast paced and breezy that things don't register all that much. Isn't needing to see a film five or more times to see it's "drama", I don't know, kind of a shortcoming in terms of how it handled it's dramatic material?

Totally agree with you.

I can understand people who like the movie, but this research for something deeper or a secret message it's ridicoulus.

This movie it's just pure entertentertainment and funny moments. STOP.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It's not a reach. There's clearly more. Just because something uses humor doesn't mean it's pure fluff. That's like saying a work of literature like Candide has no deeper meaning outside of silly gags.

Marvel could've brought in any hired gun to make the next Thor movie. You guys can't imagine that an artist like Waititi would spend two years making a film and not be satisfied in simply spitting out a purely commercial product with absolutely no depth whatsoever?

Artists generally have something to say. Waititi has described his work being a mix between comedy, drama, and "the clumsiness of humanity." This is absolutely on display in this film. If a filmmaker chooses to utilize superheroes to achieve their artistic expression so what?

 

[honestbharani]

See this is my issue with this film, which I enjoyed immensely... One line with implications that are never truly addressed or explored doesn't equal depth or weight to me. There are tons of things that happen in the film that should have impact dramatically that just don't, and in my opinion it's cuz the humor, getting a joke in there, keeping things "light" neuter the drama or push it to the background. Nothing truly registers all that much because it's mandate to shove humor over drama and character stuff. Some, like Banner's arc, are literally just there to build up to a joke. It's a wonderful and entertaining film but it's dramatic impact is really lessened overall and as someone that was engaged by the arcs and character stuff from the first film I think it's a shame they couldn't let that material breath and register more.

I for one do not think prolonged seriousness, brooding and hittinng it with a hammer over your head visual similitudes are required to make a point, bring up a concept and provoke your thought through a theme. As such, I think Ragnarok did it perfectly. And at honestly no point in the movie did any of the humor feel forced. That was the triumph of Taika. It felt entirely organic to the story, to the charactes and even to the situations.

 

[honestbharani]

Question to Krypton Inc and Ranazza:

Do Charlie Chaplin's anti-Hitler stands mean nothing because he did them funnily?

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Guys a lot of things will be said in a certain other board of an upcoming film, it's already beginning, I implore you...take the high road.

I'm no mod, but i got love for the community.

As far as this films "depth" or lack there of I think the more subtle hand worked in this film because of the tone they set out to do, that's just it...this film had a vision from it's director and it was successfully executed, the end, if it's not for you then that's it it's not for you.

 

[Ranazza]

Question to Krypton Inc and Ranazza:

Do Charlie Chaplin's anti-Hitler stands mean nothing because he did them funnily?

Oh my god.

In the dictator the metaphor it's very clear.

In ragnarok it's nothing more than a stretch. You are trying to find something like "slavery-theme" or deeper theme that it's CLEAR it's not the author's intention.

Taika it's briliant but ragnarok it's a comedy made for laugh and enterteinment.

The analogy with the dictator it's out of place.

 

[RoastBeast]

Totally agree with you.

I can understand people who like the movie, but this research for something deeper or a secret message it's ridicoulus.

This movie it's just pure entertentertainment and funny moments. STOP.

It's not research if it is just flat-out there. Seeds were planted in the previous two films. AllFather=Emperor, so clear with just a few lines, since the other films exist.

 

[HammerDown]

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[Finarfiniel]

And I think the film getting across any theme of anti-whatever simply feels like reaching. Let's not confuse Thor, in a comic book film no less, being a "slave" with some kind of serious commentary on the real world history of slavery and it's ripple effect to the modern day, especially with so much of his time as a "slave" is played for comedic effect. You stated my very issue, that it's so fast paced and breezy that things don't register all that much. Isn't needing to see a film five or more times to see it's "drama", I don't know, kind of a shortcoming in terms of how it handled it's dramatic material?

Uh, I'm not talking about Thor being a slave. Please tell me where I said that? When I referenced themes of anti-slavery and anti-imperialism, e.t.c, I was talking about the Asgard portion of the film and the references to Asgard's dirty past and the source of it's wealth.

I also said nothing about needing to see the film five or more times to see it's 'drama', I personally saw that quite easily the first time thanks. I was simply saying that it's a film that holds up to multiple viewings because it moves so fast that there's plenty of stuff that can be missed the first time around.

 

[HammerDown]

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[BigThor]

Guys a lot of things will be said in a certain other board of an upcoming film, it's already beginning, I implore you...take the high road.

I'm no mod, but i got love for the community.

As far as this films "depth" or lack there of I think the more subtle hand worked in this film because of the tone they set out to do, that's just it...this film had a vision from it's director and it was successfully executed, the end, if it's not for you then that's it it's not for you.

Yep they're so predictable, it's hilarious.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Yep they're so predictable, it's hilarious.

It's also kinda sad. The MCU boards are just a much better place to be right now, especially this one, BP, and IW.

 

[DyeLorean]

I can't believe a third Thor movie is being more beloved and respected than a film featuring Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Aquaman. 10, 15 years ago I would've laughed at the notion of this. I applaud Kevin Feige and the entire staff at Marvel Studios. What they have created in nine years is beyond imagination.

 

[BigThor]

I can't believe a third Thor movie is being more beloved and respected than a film featuring Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Aquaman. 10, 15 years ago I would've laughed at the notion of this. I applaud Kevin Feige and the entire staff at Marvel Studios. What they have created in nine years is beyond imagination.

I remember back in 2011 Snyder was talking a bunch of **** laughing at the idea of Thor having a film out and Superman not having one. Talking about how Superman is the grand daddy of all superheroes and how all these "new" superheroes are inferior.