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Supergirl Tyler Hoechlin IS Superman - Part 1

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I've really grown to love the costume, I mean I liked it anyway but a few parts (cape clasps and belt) I wasn't keen on but they've grown on me. I've maintained since I saw it though that the S shield is the best we've ever gotten.
 
Thanks.

I just realised from watching that that the "o" is redundant in his name. It seems to be pronounced Tyler Hecklin with no "o" and a hard "ch". I always thought before it was Hoach-lin (to rhyme with coach).

I've heard it as "Hock-lin" as well. Must be something about that "oe" combination.
 
Should he return to Supergirl for more episodes, I hope he gets an upgraded costume where it resembles the one from Rebirth.
 
Should he return to Supergirl for more episodes, I hope he gets an upgraded costume where it resembles the one from Rebirth.

He will return, it's just the question of when.

As for the costume, while anything is possible, I think they'll stick to the costume as is. If they do tweak it, it'll be on things like the belt that refines but doesn't ultimately replace them. I don't think we'll get a Rebirth-inspired suit, unless his suit here gets destroyed in-show or something.

I mean, I do like the CW Supes suit anyways.
 
We know Tyler has avoided watching past live-action Supermen, but can you imagine if he smiles at the camera at the end of Supergirl's second episode like Christopher Reeve?
 
Did you guys see the promo to next week's episode? Hoechlin is killing it as Supes. I think he's my second favorite after Reeve. Please give him a season order CW. I need this Superman in my life.

I concur.
 
Lmao @ that preview.

Now we know the real reason why Cat hates Lois :D
 
Should he return to Supergirl for more episodes, I hope he gets an upgraded costume where it resembles the one from Rebirth.

I want to like it, but the clasps do look cumbersome. If they were smaller I would like them better.

If they do decide to change the suit, it can be explained away as Clark liking the looks of Kara's better. Except for the skirt. He wouldn't look good in a skirt...:sly:
 
Only one episode in, and this is one of the best Superman portrayals we've ever gotten. I cannot wait to see more from Hoechlin.
 
Only one episode in, and this is one of the best Superman portrayals we've ever gotten. I cannot wait to see more from Hoechlin.


One of the best Clark Kents too. Had the right mix of the George Reeves cockiness and the Christopher Reeve aw shucks Kansas farm boy.
With none of the creepy stalker Brandon Routh Clark Kent or the Man of Stone Henry Cavill Clark or the love sick Dean Cain.
 
We know Tyler has avoided watching past live-action Supermen, but can you imagine if he smiles at the camera at the end of Supergirl's second episode like Christopher Reeve?

Believe it or not, you're not the only one. It would be a one-in-a-million thing.

But I had a strange thought just before the season premiere: What if they somehow manage to sneak some variation of the "statistically speaking, it's still the safest way to travel" line? And it happened - not who I was expecting to deliver it, but it happened.

I wouldn't bet on it, but...never say never, right? If it somehow does...:eek: :thud:
 
We know Tyler has avoided watching past live-action Supermen, but can you imagine if he smiles at the camera at the end of Supergirl's second episode like Christopher Reeve?
I loved it when he gives a wink to the boy after saving the family from the hail of bullets. We need a Superman that's approachable and not a depressed emo sourpuss.
 
I loved it when he gives a wink to the boy after saving the family from the hail of bullets. We need a Superman that's approachable and not a depressed emo sourpuss.

I think we had enough of the depressed emo Superman for 15 years.
 
Hoechlin did his part and having Supes on the show was a necessity at this point. He was a bit of a Pollyanna, but that's the fault of the writing. It might take some time for this version to get its footing, but I get the feeling that TH is up to the task.
 
I loved it when he gives a wink to the boy after saving the family from the hail of bullets. We need a Superman that's approachable and not a depressed emo sourpuss.

PREACH. Tired of mopeman. Time to get back Supes to the idealism and optimism he once proudly wore. Superman is a character that should feel approachable to any individual, be it an 89 year old granny or an 8 year old child. A person you could just stop and rant about your horrible day and he'd listen, because despite being a god and having the capacity to kick us around like bacteria, he actually genuinely cares and there's nothing he'd like more than to help any human no matter how little the issue. That's humility you can't buy. We saw that with Reeve and now we're seeing that with Hoechlin.
 
I loved it when he gives a wink to the boy after saving the family from the hail of bullets. We need a Superman that's approachable and not a depressed emo sourpuss.

PREACH. Tired of mopeman. Time to get back Supes to the idealism and optimism he once proudly wore. Superman is a character that should feel approachable to any individual, be it an 89 year old granny or an 8 year old child. A person you could just stop and rant about your horrible day and he'd listen, because despite being a god and having the capacity to kick us around like bacteria, he actually genuinely cares and there's nothing he'd like more than to help any human no matter how little the issue. That's humility you can't buy. We saw that with Reeve and now we're seeing that with Hoechlin.

Yup ! Same page. Loved TH's Superman. And the wink was perfect. I loved Man of Steel (because Superman can still be serous and yet be likeable and compelling), but Batman v Superman had such a poor characterisation of Superman (with so few lines, and such a terrible storyline) really, I felt like this take on Superman was a breath of fresh air. I mean, even Smallville was a moody take on the character. It's great to see an interpretation of Supes that isn't completely devoid of joy or charm.

That's the second time Supergirl (the show) has done that for me. After seeing B v S, I was depressed about the fate of my favorite Superheroes, in a live action sense ( I was even more depressed after seeing Civil War, which shows just how great superhero films can be, funny, emotional and with some depth, why can't WB make films like that - wait don't answer, because that's a thread all by itself).

Anyway, I was bummed out after B v S, but then I caught the Supergirl/Flash crossover (which admittedly has kind of a dumb ending) but boy was that fun. It restored some of my faith in live-action DC superheroes. Anyway, seeing Superman who seemed to take himself a bit less seriously, but still does the business, well that was just great. Hope to see a lot more of the TH version of Supes.
 
Yup ! Same page. Loved TH's Superman. And the wink was perfect. I loved Man of Steel (because Superman can still be serous and yet be likeable and compelling), but Batman v Superman had such a poor characterisation of Superman (with so few lines, and such a terrible storyline) really, I felt like this take on Superman was a breath of fresh air. I mean, even Smallville was a moody take on the character. It's great to see an interpretation of Supes that isn't completely devoid of joy or charm.

That's the second time Supergirl (the show) has done that for me. After seeing B v S, I was depressed about the fate of my favorite Superheroes, in a live action sense ( I was even more depressed after seeing Civil War, which shows just how great superhero films can be, funny, emotional and with some depth, why can't WB make films like that - wait don't answer, because that's a thread all by itself).

Anyway, I was bummed out after B v S, but then I caught the Supergirl/Flash crossover (which admittedly has kind of a dumb ending) but boy was that fun. It restored some of my faith in live-action DC superheroes. Anyway, seeing Superman who seemed to take himself a bit less seriously, but still does the business, well that was just great. Hope to see a lot more of the TH version of Supes.

Agree almost entirely with everything. I would love him to get a series in CW! I think everyone here would watch the hell out of it!
 
The last time we had an actual Superman series, he wasn't in a shared universe and never really fought proper costumed foes. Then in Smallville he was never Superman in costume until the very end. So I think a new Superman series on the CW would be different to both Lois and Clark and Smallville.
 
Believe it or not, you're not the only one. It would be a one-in-a-million thing.

But I had a strange thought just before the season premiere: What if they somehow manage to sneak some variation of the "statistically speaking, it's still the safest way to travel" line? And it happened - not who I was expecting to deliver it, but it happened.

I wouldn't bet on it, but...never say never, right? If it somehow does...:eek: :thud:

Yeah. You just don't give one of Superman's most iconic lines to a Luthor.

As for TH, he is pretty great as Superman, altough sometimes he is a litte too cutesy, so I hope they don't get carried away with is charm :hehe:
 
PREACH. Tired of mopeman. Time to get back Supes to the idealism and optimism he once proudly wore. Superman is a character that should feel approachable to any individual, be it an 89 year old granny or an 8 year old child. A person you could just stop and rant about your horrible day and he'd listen, because despite being a god and having the capacity to kick us around like bacteria, he actually genuinely cares and there's nothing he'd like more than to help any human no matter how little the issue. That's humility you can't buy. We saw that with Reeve and now we're seeing that with Hoechlin.

Idealism and optimism have little correlation with being approachable and humble. Cavill's Superman was idealistic and optimistic, too. It was his world that partly wasn't, and the part that was Lex attempted to manipulate into losing faith in Superman. Despite all the darkness in his world, Cavill's Superman sought to speak to the woman from Nairomi who testified against him. He spoke to ordinary people when he felt they didn't deserve to suffer from a vigilante acting as judge, jury, and executioner. He reassured Lois that he knew he hadn't killed anyone in Africa and that in time, through his faith in the government, the truth would reveal itself. When that didn't happen, he joined the conversation at the Capitol. He did wobble a bit after that, which is a proper response consdering he would question how he missed the bomb and he would question if his presence is doing more harm than good. Still, he doesn't just give up. He engages in introspection that restores his confidence in the form of wisdom from his father and love for his girlfriend. He returns to Metropolis ready to continue the fight and his mission to inspire humanity only to confronted with his mother kidnapped and Batman ready to fight and unwilling to listen.

Yet, he apologizes to Batman and tries to reason with him instead of fight him. When that doesn't work, his last words are to save his mother, which saves him. He works as part of a team to defeat Doomsday, including sacrificing his life for a world that had and still did hate him and put his purpose in doubt; but he didn't doubt. He died embracing Earth, despite its troubles, as his world. His last act in this life was one of hope and idealism, and as such it inspired and restored hope and idealism in the heroes (Batman and Wonder Woman) and world around him. In life, Cavill's Superman saved people from a fire on another continent and from a flood. We're told (by Bruce at the library gala) that he's even saved cats from trees. He works as Clark to save criminals from unfair punishment and advocating to Perry for the value of telling their stories in the press. He is not a man who demonstrates a lack of caring for others. He does not behave arrogantly. His was a story about hope and idealism with him being hopeful and idealistic. It was just told in a different way than maybe you prefer or you are used to.

Meanwhile, we have Hoechlin's Superman who the show even proclaims is acting arrogantly by having J'onn describe his behavior as "showboating." With Reeve, he uses his powers to physically assault bullies who attacked him earlier when he was powerless. He cared so little about all of us that he gave up his powers that save and inspire humanity so that he could have sex with Lois Lane. He did his fair share of moping, too, if you'll recall. He doesn't proclaim Earth his "home" until Superman IV (he refers to his previous status as merely a "visitor"), and he gets encouragement during down moments, too.

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“Well, if he wasn’t able to manage...if he really was in trouble, then I’d want to tell him some things. I’d want to tell him that I cherished the time we spent together. And I never expected anything from him. Even if I only saw him for a few moments, it made me happy. And I’d want to tell him that I love him and that I'II always love him. And no matter what happens on this world, I know he tried his best to help us.” – Lois Lane, Superman IV

Maybe all of the bright colors, cheese, and nostalgia that superficially covers some of these films and Supergirl the show masks or makes you forget the darker nuances while the heaviness of Cavill's Superman's world makes you miss the good in it, but it's all there. These Superman stories and these characters are not so different. And, look, I love all of them. I think they're all in different contexts and they serve those contexts well by bringing out important and core aspects of Superman within the stories they are placed. None are perfect, but they're good, heroic men.
 
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Idealism and optimism have little correlation with being approachable and humble. Cavill's Superman was idealistic and optimistic, too. It was his world that partly wasn't, and the part that was Lex attempted to manipulate into losing faith in Superman. Despite all the darkness in his world, Cavill's Superman sought to speak to the woman from Nairomi who testified against him. He spoke to ordinary people when he felt they didn't deserve to suffer from a vigilante acting as judge, jury, and executioner. He reassured Lois that he knew he hadn't killed anyone in Africa and that in time, through his faith in the government, the truth would reveal itself. When that didn't happen, he joined the conversation at the Capitol. He did wobble a bit after that, which is a proper response consdering he would question how he missed the bomb and he would question if his presence is doing more harm than good. Still, he doesn't just give up. He engages in introspection that restores his confidence in the form of wisdom from his father and love for his girlfriend. He returns to Metropolis ready to continue the fight and his mission to inspire humanity only to confronted with his mother kidnapped and Batman ready to fight and unwilling to listen.

Cavill's world is dark because he is presented to the world in such a negative light. While Hoechlin and Reeve are presented through acts of classical heroism and bravado to the world. Cavill is presented as liability. As a participant in the worst urban terror attack in Metropolis and thus the people mistrust him as any rational person would. Reeve also gives interviews to specifically outline his intentions, his motivations, where he comes from, what he intends to do, and his goals--which immediately puts citizens in peace. Cavill mopes around without even an attempt to connect with people as Superman. He speaks to ordinary people as Clark and not as Superman---that is the problem. He tries to convince Lois he didn't do it. But never the public. He never calls in the press to give an interview, to take time and talk to citizens as Superman, to try and alleviate their fears. And that's why they fear him. That's why they don't trust him. All they see is a man involved in two events that recklessly killed innocents. And he seems aloof and unapproachable. While Reeve and Hoechlin come off as kind and hopeful. In Metropolis, nobody feels they can trust Cavill.

Yet, he apologizes to Batman and tries to reason with him instead of fight him. When that doesn't work, his last words are to save his mother, which saves him. He works as part of a team to defeat Doomsday, including sacrificing his life for a world that had and still did hate him and put his purpose in doubt; but he didn't doubt. He died embracing Earth, despite its troubles, as his world. His last act in this life was one of hope and idealism, and as such it inspired and restored hope and idealism in the heroes (Batman and Wonder Woman) and world around him. In life, Cavill's Superman saved people from a fire on another continent and from a flood. We're told (by Bruce at the library gala) that he's even saved cats from trees. He works as Clark to save criminals from unfair punishment and advocating to Perry for the value of telling their stories in the press. He is not a man who demonstrates a lack of caring for others. He does not behave arrogantly. His was a story about hope and idealism with him being hopeful and idealistic. It was just told in a different way than maybe you prefer or you are used to.

He tries to apologize to Batman but at the hint of first provocation, he immediately strikes as he pushes him back half a mile. He then rams him through a building and then shoves him down the bat signal. He could simply float above and explain the situation but he never does. Because Snyder promised a fight. We're told by Bruce that he saves cats from trees but we are never SHOWN. And that's the problem. Reeve's Superman is SHOWN doing so and SHOWN being benevolent to a little girl despite being a god. That makes him instantly likable. That image sticks in the minds of people. Cavill is never shown rescuing the people from the flood. He simply floats above like a God in the clouds. He works with WW and Batman but as a team they never actually discuss tactics other than "did you get the spear?". They work individually doing their own thing without consulting each other and everything just happens to fall into place in the end. For example, the Avengers continually discuss during on how to bring someone down or fight.

Meanwhile, we have Hoechlin's Superman who the show even proclaims is acting arrogantly by having J'onn describe his behavior as "showboating." With Reeve, he uses his powers to physically assault bullies who attacked him earlier when he was powerless. He cared so little about all of us that he gave up his powers that save and inspire humanity so that he could have sex with Lois Lane. He did his fair share of moping, too, if you'll recall. He doesn't proclaim Earth his "home" until Superman IV (he refers to his previous status as merely a "visitor"), and he gets encouragement during down moments, too.

Reeve handles a bully who was threatening the diner's owners and bossing the people around. It also works as a cinematic crowd pleasing moment--something Cavill never has. Cavill destroys a truck driver's livelihood by smashing up his truck in MOS if you recall. But it's not a big deal. Reeve giving up his powers was an extremely interesting way to take the character forward. Superman is so selfless all the time, what if once he decided to be selfish and decided he wanted to be happy, to be human, to be loved like the rest of us? That's an interesting analysis of the character. Something Sam Raimi borrowed later for Spider Man 2. Both those films are critically acclaimed and heavily appreciated by audiences for tackling this subject. Reeve is down and sad, but in those moments notice how he's always alone. He never mopes in front of people. He always smiles no matter how sad he is because the people rely on him for comfort and relief that everything is going to be fine. That's Superman. And in the sequence you posted Superman is beaten and heavily ill after his confrontation with nuclear man. Cavill is never physically ill or beaten.



Maybe all of the bright colors, cheese, and nostalgia that superficially covers some of these films and Supergirl the show masks or makes you forget the darker nuances while the heaviness of Cavill's Superman's world makes you miss the good in it, but it's all there. These Superman stories and these characters are not so different. And, look, I love all of them. I think they're all in different contexts and they serve those contexts well by bringing out important and core aspects of Superman within the stories they are placed. None are perfect, but they're good, heroic men.

Can't really disagree with this! I'm really glad you're able to love all of them. I truly am. I hope I can as well, after more discussions. But presently it is not so. Perhaps after JL :)
 
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