Supergirl Tyler Hoechlin IS Superman - Part 1

[Smilodon]

That is some tea from Ostrander though. Agree with him plenty there.

 

[Dr.]

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[The Caped Knight]

The Punisher was given a series order after first debuting on Daredevil. I would hope that Superman would also get himself a spin-off after having been just as well received on Supergirl.

He needs his own series, Grant Gustin did two episodes of Arrow and The Flash was born. Tyler brought so much as Superman in one episode how can CW pass this up.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[vantheman77]

The producers are working on trying to get Superman to recur later this season.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...by-letting-superman-be-superman/#16208c9c7324

 

[LL2K2]

 

[jaymes_e06]

 

[LL2K2]

He needs his own series, Grant Gustin did two episodes of Arrow and The Flash was born. Tyler brought so much as Superman in one episode how can CW pass this up.

There is a problem with that, though. If The CW somehow decides after tonight's episode to green-light a new Superman series, where would it go? And where would it leave Supergirl?

My thoughts? Yes, they should consider a new series. But I think it should wait until the following season. Or even better...Spring/Summer 2018, which would coincide nicely with Superman's 80th anniversary.

That's what I would shoot for.

 

[misslane38]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...by-letting-superman-be-superman/#16208c9c7324

Once I got over my reaction the author professing to like Arrow, which I can't say I relate to, I thought it was an interesting read. I agreed with some of it and disagreed with other parts of it. For example:

I realized that the utterly confident, entirely aspirational, and downright heroic Superman isn’t just a contrast to the current movie version but a contrast to how the character has been portrayed in live-action for the last twenty years.

I get what the author is going for here, but I don't agree that a character can't be totally aspirational or heroic if they are struggling against external forces or internal doubts. Judy in Zootopia goes has to go through what Cavill's Superman went through in Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice, and she has moments where she doubts herself, feels down, makes mistakes, even quits, but ultimately she figures things out and comes out of it stronger and wiser. She was more aspirational and heroic for her ability to overcome her challenges. Perhaps just leaving it at fun or pleasant would be a better way to put it.

Say what you will about Tom Welling’s work as “the man who would be Superman,” but that show never actually got around to showing him as Superman. Even the series finale, where he technically took the costume and the mantle, offered not a single full body shot of our hero as our hero. And right smack in the middle of that show’s 10-year run, we got Bryan Singer’s Superman Returns.

This doesn't feel entirely fair either. As the show itself stated, the suit doesn't make the hero. If the article's focus is on how refreshing and novel it is to have a more upbeat and settled version of this character, then their focus is on attitude and not outfit. Welling's Clark had plenty of moments that were of that nature, and he didn't need to wear the iconic suit to do it.

So yes, Supergirl is awesome, and Tyler Hoechlin is a wonderful Last Son of Krypton. Whether this guest appearance, which I should stress doesn’t remotely resemble a backdoor pilot, should lead to a stand-alone television series, I cannot say. You can make the case that part of what made this version so endearing is that he was a supporting character, sharing the limelight with other super-heroic folks and bouncing off already established supporting characters (the real challenge is how this show will function with noticeably less Calista Flockhart).

Maybe, like Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk, this version of Superman was “super” precisely because he got to show up, be wonderful and mostly step aside for the core conflicts. Maybe Cavill will have more fun as part of a Justice League ensemble than he did as a loner. But the very existence of this cheerful and optimistic Superman in the CW television world makes the existence of the more deconstructive movie version that much more “valid.”

I agree with the assertion here that Tyler's Superman and his use on the show works partly because he's a supporting character and these episodes may endear him and his Superman to audiences, but it doesn't present a compelling enough case for a spin-off. I also agree that it's wonderful to have both versions of the character available to us now, telling equally valid stories in equally valid ways. To have different sides of the character and stages explored, you really get to see the depth and breadth of the character and what makes him so compelling and endearing.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Friday nights to close the super week on the Cw

 

[Herolee10]

In some ways, I'm actually glad that Andrew and Glen can't do a Superman series. I would be afraid to imagine on how they would handle other aspects of Superman's life. Going by their other shows, they have butchered every single one of their leading canon couples for their respective ships. It's only a based on a miracle and the fact that they are dealing with a veteran Superman that his relationship with Lois is still good.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I need this without the text!!

 

[The Caped Knight]

In some ways, I'm actually glad that Andrew and Glen can't do a Superman series. I would be afraid to imagine on how they would handle other aspects of Superman's life. Going by their other shows, they have butchered every single one of their leading canon couples for their respective ships. It's only a based on a miracle and the fact that they are dealing with a veteran Superman that his relationship with Lois is still good.

This is true, you hit a pretty damn good point. The Last thing i want is to see the botch up Lois & Clark's timeless story. like they've done for Green Arrow & Canary, Iris & Barry. Say what you will about Smallville, But they managed to bring new life into Lois & Clark story with Erica Durance & Tom Welling over the course of seven years.

 

[Dark Raven]

speaking of Michael Turner, his Supergirl will always be my favorite rendition of the character.

just the way he drew her captured the youthful, joyful innocence of the character, while making her pretty and beautiful.

This has always been one of my favorite Supergirl pics.

Spoiler

This has always been one of my favorite Supergirl pics:

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

Once I got over my reaction the author professing to like Arrow, which I can't say I relate to, I thought it was an interesting read. I agreed with some of it and disagreed with other parts of it. For example:

Same! Couldn't stand Arrow last season. But first two episodes this season have been decent I have to be honest.

I get what the author is going for here, but I don't agree that a character can't be totally aspirational or heroic if they are struggling against external forces or internal doubts. Judy in Zootopia goes has to go through what Cavill's Superman went through in Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice, and she has moments where she doubts herself, feels down, makes mistakes, even quits, but ultimately she figures things out and comes out of it stronger and wiser. She was more aspirational and heroic for her ability to overcome her challenges. Perhaps just leaving it at fun or pleasant would be a better way to put it.

I think the difference is Judy's personality is still upbeat, optimistic, very endearing to watch and charming. So even when she faces issues, and doubts herself they work as a contrast to that and she still hangs onto that idealism. Cavill's performance (not his fault) but comes off as monotonous at times because he has similar facial inflections throughout. He's either quite stern or brooding both as Clark and Supes. That way it feels like he's always going through some issue and we're never able to see him with an upbeat personality and an optimistic look on life. We don't ever see him having fun with his life, other than maybe couple seconds in the bath with Lois. I honestly think most complaints would just vanish had we seen him have ONE scene where he rescues a kid, talks to him and smiles/winks at him or something. It would show that he enjoys being Superman, he is enthusiastic, kind, benevolent and charismatic all in one fail swoop.

This doesn't feel entirely fair either. As the show itself stated, the suit doesn't make the hero. If the article's focus is on how refreshing and novel it is to have a more upbeat and settled version of this character, then their focus is on attitude and not outfit. Welling's Clark had plenty of moments that were of that nature, and he didn't need to wear the iconic suit to do it.

The suit doesn't make the hero, but it's an iconic part of the hero. Without the suit, he's an average human---or at least is trying to be to fit in. When he wears the suit, it becomes an image--a symbol that he has to maintain. What he means is we never saw Tom be SUPERMAN in the sense of saving the world and doing the iconic Superman stuff.

I agree with the assertion here that Tyler's Superman and his use on the show works partly because he's a supporting character and these episodes may endear him and his Superman to audiences, but it doesn't present a compelling enough case for a spin-off. I also agree that it's wonderful to have both versions of the character available to us now, telling equally valid stories in equally valid ways. To have different sides of the character and stages explored, you really get to see the depth and breadth of the character and what makes him so compelling and endearing.

I would argue that, his natural take on the character warrants the need to be explored more. What challenges would a seasoned Superman face? How would he battle political and international pressures? etc.
Otherwise I agree with basically everything here. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the story BvS is trying to tell is bad, I think it's a great story that wasn't executed very well and reduced the character of Superman into a one note monotonous character. I wish we had moments where he enjoyed himself and showcased the optimism and times where he was deep in self reflection.

 

[Frodo]

I actually feel like the myth has worked better on TV as of late , i.e., L&C, Smallville, and now Supergirl, than in the past decade worth of films SR,MOS, and the BvS. Both have strengths and weaknesses to be sure, but the tv side, imo has had a better grasp of the characters and the myths , and has much more time to play with the aspects of the characters and myths that the GA really latches on to.

The films just don't have the time to do it, though that's the nature of the beast in general with tv and film.

I really don't see why they couldn't or shouldn't do both though, I do agree that Supergirl shouldn't become the Supergirl and Superman Show.

 

[X Knight]

This has always been one of my favorite Supergirl pics:

obviously.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Tyler has a bit of Dean Cain appeal, but at the sometime he brings a new zeal to the role that is fresh and that's why he needs a series of his own.

 

[Lobo]

Ostrander pretty much nailed it imo.

 

[The Caped Knight]

another solid performance by Tyler, he showed an authortive side when he confronted J'onn J'onzz about the kryptonite , but also a side of compassion and grace when he talked with him at The Fortress Of Solitude.

 

[vantheman77]

Alright, that's it!! Give Superman his spin-off TV series now!!

 

[Kelly]

According to Kreisberg, they are working on getting Tyler back for another episode. Looking forward to it....

 

[vantheman77]

According to Kreisberg, they are working on getting Tyler back for another episode. Looking forward to it....

Anything to get more of his Superman.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

We need Superman back on tv...he has been perfect