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Supergirl Season 4, Episode 9: "Elseworlds, Part 3" (MAJOR SPOILERS)

I would have liked for 90s Flash to show up again, and if they needed to finish him off, give him a sacrificial moment like Kara and Barry were facing. He needed a lot more time!

Also glad to see Batwoman one last time! And she has Oliver's phone number!!

It should've been 90s Flash and Barry running around the world and Kara either facing off against Black Superman or confronting the Monitor. Oliver should've fallen into the background. Instead he comes to bargain with Monitor and takes down Black Suit Superman.
 
While I really enjoyed this, I agree that there was not enough Kara. She had some great scenes, but the center of the shows seemed to be on Barry and Oliver. It didn't have the feel of previous crossovers, where they stayed within the bounds of each individual show, which I thought was good. During the earlier crossovers the leads would switch with whichever show was currently hosting. Here, they were sharing for the most part, but Kara did seem like the odd girl out.

Barry and Oliver had plenty of buddy buddy moments, but it felt like Kara was more of a super nanny. I was a little disappointed with that. But still, the moments they gave her were stand-outs so I can't complain too much.:halo:

Now I would really like to see some duo crossovers, just two of the heroes at center stage, whether that be Barry and Kara, Kara and Oliver or Barry and Oliver (or Kara and Kate). The first crossover between Supergirl and Flash would serve as a great template. Kept small like that they could do them within a standard episode's time frame. The big crossovers are great, but they are not too good for simple interactions with more than two characters.

I also want to see them just visiting! Whether that be Earth 1 or 38, the next time Kara has a roof party I would love to see Barry or Oliver attending. With the wormhole generators, getting someone to come over for dinner should be easy! It would have been nice for Kara, just before heading through to rift to call out, 'dinner at the farm, this Sunday!':D
 
Supergirl was always third wheel in the trinity with Flash and Green Arrow.

Blame it on Guggenheim since he was in charge of the crossover.
 
It should've been 90s Flash and Barry running around the world and Kara either facing off against Black Superman or confronting the Monitor. Oliver should've fallen into the background. Instead he comes to bargain with Monitor and takes down Black Suit Superman.

Despite how much I wish Kara was more in the center in the last third, if Oliver is approaching a sacrificial moment then they did need to set that up. But still, a good writing team should have been able to do both.

As for Flash 90, a little change could have had him running with Barry, but leaving Oliver unable to save both so he makes a difficult choice. Save Earth 1's Barry by taking his place - and sacrifice 90's Barry instead...
 
i looked up the entire crisis on infinite earths online. Batman is hardly in in it. the last 3 chapters are basically 2 Supermen (earth 1 and earth 2: and a few characters made just for that series. I would say Elseworlds has covered 1/2 of the 12 issue series already. Far more characters were used than the CW has
 
Despite how much I wish Kara was more in the center in the last third, if Oliver is approaching a sacrificial moment then they did need to set that up. But still, a good writing team should have been able to do both.

As for Flash 90, a little change could have had him running with Barry, but leaving Oliver unable to save both so he makes a difficult choice. Save Earth 1's Barry by taking his place - and sacrifice 90's Barry instead...

Imagine that happening and Earth-1 Barry finding out about it as he would have been angry with Oliver for doing that.
 
Imagine that happening and Earth-1 Barry finding out about it as he would have been angry with Oliver for doing that.

It would be terrible to deal with. But I can imagine Oliver taking that on himself and certainly not wanting E1 Barry to every know. And he could consider the act paid for with his own impending death.
 
Supergirl was always third wheel in the trinity with Flash and Green Arrow.

Blame it on Guggenheim since he was in charge of the crossover.

Honestly, I think this was more of Melissa's fault. The rest of the Supergirl cast had to carry the load while she was finishing up her musical. So it makes sense that they were able to get a few extra days off for the crossover.
 
Honestly, I think this was more of Melissa's fault. The rest of the Supergirl cast had to carry the load while she was finishing up her musical. So it makes sense that they were able to get a few extra days off for the crossover.
Nah, she was well done with her musical by the time this was filmed. They didn't start filming this 'til October - she finished the musical in the first week of August.
 
Nah, she was well done with her musical by the time this was filmed. They didn't start filming this 'til October - she was done in August.

I'm saying the extra time off they earned in early August was given to them for the crossover in October.
 
Why couldn't John Deegan have altered reality to become John Diggle? Their names are already similar enough.

Also I wouldn't have minded if Destiny became a Brandon Routh Superman instead. There's no reason he couldn't have and it would've allowed them to have another Legends actor.
 
If I could do things over, I would have probably removed Superman and Lois from this whole crossover and give their roles to Martian Manhunter and John Wesley Shipp's Barry Allen.

You could just have Deagon willingly transform himself into his iconic "Dr. Destiny" look for the finale where it would be the combined forces of Green Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, and JWS's Flash taking him on.
 
I'm saying the extra time off they earned in early August was given to them for the crossover in October.
I think you're giving Guggenheim & Co. the benefit of the doubt when they don't really deserve it considering they've always given the Supergirl cast the short end of the stick. It's kinda obvious Guggenheim just doesn't care about SG because he's got nothing to do with it, imo.
 
I think you're giving Guggenheim & Co. the benefit of the doubt when they don't really deserve it considering they've always given the Supergirl cast the short end of the stick. It's kinda obvious Guggenheim just doesn't care about SG because he's got nothing to do with it, imo.

Agreed there as I was very weary of how he was going to handle Supergirl going into this. He seems to care for Superman more.
 
Agreed there as I was very weary of how he was going to handle Supergirl going into this. He seems to care for Superman more.

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If I could do things over, I would have probably removed Superman and Lois from this whole crossover and give their roles to Martian Manhunter and John Wesley Shipp's Barry Allen.

You could just have Deagon willingly transform himself into his iconic "Dr. Destiny" look for the finale where it would be the combined forces of Green Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Martian Manhunter, and JWS's Flash taking him on.

If you look closely on the first part, Superman tagged along rather than being in the circle with Barry and the others.

I would have Superman, Brainiac 5, and Martian Manhunter worked with Team Flash and Team Arrow to investigate the red skies and lightning this meeting Flash of Earth-90. They would have been the veteran trinity to counterpoint Supergirl, Flash, and Green Arrow.

There were lots of missed opportunities. Chief among them - Superman, Lois, and James Olsen.
 
I think you're giving Guggenheim & Co. the benefit of the doubt when they don't really deserve it considering they've always given the Supergirl cast the short end of the stick. It's kinda obvious Guggenheim just doesn't care about SG because he's got nothing to do with it, imo.

Hey, Guggenheim ignored Felicity, so I call that a win.
 
Curious, but [in the future] would this crisis event have already happened, or is the entire timeline subject to change afterwards? We know that Barry disappears, but is that because of Crisis? Whether it's the merging of worlds or not, Iris and Nora Jr survive it, though I'm left wondering whether it has any relevance.

Also, I think there will be two big deaths in the story; Oliver Queen and Clark Kent. In the comics (at least), both Barry Allen and Kara Zor-El die as a result of the events. The Flash and Supergirl shows are still relatively new compared to Arrow, and so it stands to reason that they're not going to kill off Barry or Kara (at least not without some retcon where they're brought back to life afterwards) but Arrow will be on it's 8th season by this time, and that's going to allow them to wrap up Oliver's story.

I also think, with their reluctance to use Superman properly, that he may be the other casualty with his son/daughter taking up the mantle; similarly to how Wally West took over from Barry Allen after his death. All that being said, I can't help but think the theory behind Oliver making the sacrifice is all too obvious. Everyone is thinking it, so will it play out this way? Surely the writers aren't that … naïve?

I don’t watch Supergirl so is Martian Manhunter normally that lame? He showed up and basically just ducked.
He's one of those characters who is capable of so much more, but the writers seemingly aren't quite sure how to use him.

I laughed at J'onn saying he'll protect the people because right after he said that, I thought, "What about the fire?" And then there's some fire, which didn't seem to hurt/touch him, I guess.
An interesting observation that.

I wonder if they'll actually combine the various Earths. Maybe not into one, but less than an infinite number like 52.
Well, before this crossover, we only thought there was 52 anyway, or 53 if you include Earth-X, but there are in fact (at least) 90. They're going to need to merge some of them at least, and I suspect that once it's all wrapped up, Kara and Barry will be residing on the same Earth; it's an easy fix for the CW to finally combine their shows, allowing for more references and crossovers.

I do wonder whether there's like … a multiverse within the multiverse; to expand upon that, Barry and Cisco can (seemingly) transverse the multiverse and time without assistance, and yet, Barry Allen (of Earth-90) couldn't quite manage it without Felicity, Cisco, Curtis and co working their magic. I'm therefore wondering whether [in our] multiverse there's 53 Earths, but there's other multiverses out there with their own collection of Earth's which are normally inaccessible to our heroes?

I am kind of curious as to how Crisis is going to work out, as they said fall, not winter. Mini-series?
A mini series would make sense; as it can be shot independently from the show and doesn't need to confine itself to 135 minutes.

I didn't feel like this needed the Legends but I hope to see them back for Crisis on Infinite Earths
Considering their job is to maintain time and reality, you'd think, if reality is being changed, they'd be involved. I just hope all the characters, of all the shows are used properly; the Legends team for example, if we're truly going cosmic with this sort of Crisis, the most equipped person would be Ray, and yet I can't help but fear Sara will get more screen time and relevance when honestly, she shouldn't.
 
I think you're giving Guggenheim & Co. the benefit of the doubt when they don't really deserve it considering they've always given the Supergirl cast the short end of the stick. It's kinda obvious Guggenheim just doesn't care about SG because he's got nothing to do with it, imo.
If they can't get Geoff Johns to write the next crossover, give it to Sterling Gates. He wrote SG's comic for a while. or if nothing else I know Crisis requires a comic pedigree, but I think SG's writers could handle a different teamup. I think Gggenheim only took this because of Superman and Batwoman
 
I doubt they would kill off Superman in Crisis On Infinite Earths. If they did we would be left with no live-action Superman at all.
 
If they can't get Geoff Johns to write the next crossover, give it to Sterling Gates. He wrote SG's comic for a while. or if nothing else I know Crisis requires a comic pedigree, but I think SG's writers could handle a different teamup. I think Gggenheim only took this because of Superman and Batwoman
Agreed, I've been pushing for more Sterling Gates involvement for a while now. He's a good Supergirl comics-writer turned good Supergirl episode writer, turned good Flash writer. He'd be a far more preferable option over Guggenheim for me.
 
At the end of the crossover when Batwoman phoned up Oliver Queen about some villains from Arkham, Oliver should've just said "Well send them my way. I've fought most of Batman's villains in my own show already!" :o
 
I wasn’t that troubled by Kara’s modest screentime in Part 3. Taking “Elseworlds” as a movie-in-three-chapters, I think she got decent representation overall. More, if you count Superman as part of the Supergirl contingent.

I don’t recall the prior crossovers that well. But my impression is that there was a more-or-less serviceable villain crisis, which therefore justified a combined superhero response. So basically, the geeky thrill of seeing the various DC/CW characters team up for “Event TV” was the main draw. A solid storyline… not so much. :cwink:

This time, however, there was an attempt at something more ambitious. Namely: there was a central protagonist (Oliver) who had a plot thru-line that progressed in all three episodes. And I prefer that to an overpopulated adventure where screentime is assigned based on which show a story segment happens to fall in.

That said… if “Elseworlds” was intended as a single “movie in three chapters” (which essentially ignored the boundaries between series), I don’t quite get why The Flash and Supergirl had to swap timeslots. Unless it was a strategic move/experiment to see how well The Flash might do on a Sunday and Supergirl on a Tuesday…?

:thf:
 
I wasn’t that troubled by Kara’s modest screentime in Part 3. Taking “Elseworlds” as a movie-in-three-chapters, I think she got decent representation overall. More, if you count Superman as part of the Supergirl contingent.

I don’t recall the prior crossovers that well. But my impression is that there was a more-or-less serviceable villain crisis, which therefore justified a combined superhero response. So basically, the geeky thrill of seeing the various DC/CW characters team up for “Event TV” was the main draw. A solid storyline… not so much. :cwink:

This time, however, there was an attempt at something more ambitious. Namely: there was a central protagonist (Oliver) who had a plot thru-line that progressed in all three episodes. And I prefer that to an overpopulated adventure where screentime is assigned based on which show a story segment happens to fall in.

That said… if “Elseworlds” was intended as a single “movie in three chapters” (which essentially ignored the boundaries between series), I don’t quite get why The Flash and Supergirl had to swap timeslots. Unless it was a strategic move/experiment to see how well The Flash might do on a Sunday and Supergirl on a Tuesday…?

:thf:
More than serviceable villain crisis, at least the past two. I admire taking the best crossover episode from Invasion! and spreading that over 3 episodes, but Elseworlds in particular could have just as easily been standalone episodes from any of the shows rather than midseason finales.

I think that strategic move was more story-driven than anything, since as you mentioned central protagonist and well the life swap was the thing that set this plot in motion from the heroes' perspective. Supergirl was yet to be affected.
 

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