Venom has to be in Spiderman3

[spider-jide]

You don't need to be so rude, I was only showing you one option. The Venom movie can be done with fairly little hastle. Brock is a character who's depth can be shown without having 50 minutes dedicated to developing him. Basically.....fired, pissed off at Spidey, divorced, bam! He's introduced. It's fairly simple. Anyways, I wasn't trying to boast, I was only presenting you with one of many possible options for a plot, especially one where you need to fit in as much as possible.

No matter what you may think, cartoons and movies are not so different, it takes just as much time for a cartoon character to walk into a room and say something, as it does for an in-the-flesh actor. It takes just as much time for Spidey to throw a punch at Venom in animated form, as it would in (most likely) CGI.

Look, try to understand that some concepts that work in a cartoon needs to be done on a greater scale if translating it to a movie. If i weren't a spidey fan, theres no way i'd believe that a guy could have so much hate for spidey and blame him for everything wrong in his life in under 20minutes if he's never been seen before. Brock has to go through a gradual process aka character development to really make us believe that yes, this guy cant stand spider-man's guts.

 

[Ace Gunman]

Look, try to understand that some concepts that work in a cartoon needs to be done on a greater scale if translating it to a movie. If i weren't a spidey fan, theres no way i'd believe that a guy could have so much hate for spidey and blame him for everything wrong in his life in under 20minutes if he's never been seen before. Brock has to go through a gradual process aka character development to really make us believe that yes, this guy cant stand spider-man's guts.

Damn! You're right. The one time I forget to look at it from a Non-fan/casual movie-goer's point of view....

 

[OtepApe]

Plus in the cartoon show, they had shown Brock from the first episode and in that epidosde Brock was humiliated by Spidey. Staring the long haul to Brock being Venom. PLus in the cartoon series, they didn't have to focus on Petey's relationship with MJ, Harrys problems etc It makes for a crowded movie. Plus a not having a fourth movie has not been set in stone, we don't know for sure. They say that now but they also said they'd do 6 movies and then 9 movies. WE won't know until after Spider-man 3 comes out.

 

[American_Hobo]

Plus in the cartoon show, they had shown Brock from the first episode and in that epidosde Brock was humiliated by Spidey. Staring the long haul to Brock being Venom. PLus in the cartoon series, they didn't have to focus on Petey's relationship with MJ, Harrys problems etc It makes for a crowded movie. Plus a not having a fourth movie has not been set in stone, we don't know for sure. They say that now but they also said they'd do 6 movies and then 9 movies. WE won't know until after Spider-man 3 comes out.

Why can't Raimi just use Venom?.....I mean he's such a cool villains...

 

[OtepApe]

LMFAO!!!

Dude, I have tried using the reasons I believe why Venom shouldn't be used in the 3rd movie. I am not opposed to him being in a movie, just not the third one. I have said them over and over again and I am geting a little tired of it. If ceratin Venom fans want him in a movie, no matter what anyone says will change their mind.

If Sam Raimi himself came onto this board and gave reasons, Venom fans will still not accept it and give their own versions of brining Venom into this movie. At the end of the day, it ain't going to happen yet, people have to learn to deal with it and not clutter up this board with the 97878378376833rd Vemon for SM3 thread.

 

[American_Hobo]

LMFAO!!!

Dude, I have tried using the reasons I believe why Venom shouldn't be used in the 3rd movie. I am not opposed to him being in a movie, just not the third one. I have said them over and over again and I am geting a little tired of it. If ceratin Venom fans want him in a movie, no matter what anyone says will change their mind.

If Sam Raimi himself came onto this board and gave reasons, Venom fans will still not accept it and give their own versions of brining Venom into this movie. At the end of the day, it ain't going to happen yet, people have to learn to deal with it and not clutter up this board with the 97878378376833rd Vemon for SM3 thread.

But still you have to know that half of the people want Venom to in it...
Beside, if Venom is in Spiderman3, they will earn more money thatn using other villains.

 

[OtepApe]

Yes, but like I said in another post the other half of the people don't. Why throw all the big guns out straight away? Save Venom until the franchise is restarted or whatever. They'll make a helluva lot of money anyway, let's just leave Venom until the time is right and the time is not right just yet.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'm a Venom fan and we are all going to have to wait for 4 so that the overlong harry arc can be finished,I'm not over the moon about this but raimi has made 2 superb movies imo and i'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[OtepApe]

I'm a Venom fan and we are all going to have to wait for 4 so that the overlong harry arc can be finished,I'm not over the moon about this but raimi has made 2 superb movies imo and i'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Chalk up another Venom fan who's being reasonable.

 

[Spidey-Quad]

S4 may be out too, since Sam sayes he may still be interested in doing 4 now. Perhaps Venom should start on his own first.

 

[Ace Gunman]

Chalk up another Venom fan who's being reasonable.

I'm being reasonable, but i'm looking at the facts realistically. You're all going around spouting stuff like "He should be in the 4th movie!", well the facts dictate that there isn't going to be a 4th movie. Maybe there will be, but at the current time the chances are slim, and you do know if there is it probably won't be out until 2009 or 2010, right? >.>


EDIT: Well, apparently, the facts are changing. Sam is now saying they want 4 or more, so huh...yay. I still don't want to see GG2 this soon though, really, it's only been one movie since the first one GG was in. I want Harry's story concluded as much as anyone, but I also don't want to rush it.

 

[American_Hobo]

I'm being reasonable, but i'm looking at the facts realistically. You're all going around spouting stuff like "He should be in the 4th movie!", well the facts dictate that there isn't going to be a 4th movie. Maybe there will be, but at the current time the chances are slim, and you do know if there is it probably won't be out until 2009 or 2010, right? >.>


EDIT: Well, apparently, the facts are changing. Sam is now saying they want 4 or more, so huh...yay. I still don't want to see GG2 this soon though, really, it's only been one movie since the first one GG was in. I want Harry's story concluded as much as anyone, but I also don't want to rush it.

It can also be 2008 if Spiderman3 comes out on 2006

 

[Hunter Rider]

It can also be 2008 if Spiderman3 comes out on 2006

Sm 3 2007 Sm 4 ????

 

[GL1]

I don't understand what the big hurry is... Brock is not an overly complicated character... he's VERY emotional and all he needs is sufficient motivation...

The MAIN villain of SM3 could and should be Green Goblin 2, Harry Osborn... The first half of the movie could examine Harry, MJ and Peter's frienships while Brock develops on the side. Four simple scenes: One: echoing JJ's hate for Spider-Man, Two: Losing his job because no one believes his coverage of this mysterious black Spider-Man, Three: Brock gets hit with some black stuff after trying to stop Spidey Four: Losing his new job because black Spider-Man breaks into Oscorp (to get the suit off) while he's on duty (Brock is a big man, he can do security guard work on the side). By spending maybe thirty minutes, MAX on this character (Much of it developing other characters at the same time) you get Brock exactly where he needs to be... The unfolding of Venom can be told in a limited number of scenes as well...

Venom is not hard to do and reflects a dark side of peter, which honestly, is a great foil in any conflict... and Venom can by mysterious and unseen until the final act of the movie as well, an unseen terror to MJ, assulter of Felicia and cause of Aunt May's accident or Peter's loss of a job at the Bugle.

If they were adding Lizard or some other villain, I could see how Venom could be too much for one movie... but MJ, Harry and Peter we all know and they only require a coulpe twsits to make their interactions interesting... Venom can put the movie stylistically and storywise on a whole new level... I think they should do it... It IS a challenge, but it is not only very doable, but the payoff is off the charts...

 

[American_Hobo]

I don't understand what the big hurry is... Brock is not an overly complicated character... he's VERY emotional and all he needs is sufficient motivation...

The MAIN villain of SM3 could and should be Green Goblin 2, Harry Osborn... The first half of the movie could examine Harry, MJ and Peter's frienships while Brock develops on the side. Four simple scenes: One: echoing JJ's hate for Spider-Man, Two: Losing his job because no one believes his coverage of this mysterious black Spider-Man, Three: Brock gets hit with some black stuff after trying to stop Spidey Four: Losing his new job because black Spider-Man breaks into Oscorp (to get the suit off) while he's on duty (Brock is a big man, he can do security guard work on the side). By spending maybe thirty minutes, MAX on this character (Much of it developing other characters at the same time) you get Brock exactly where he needs to be... The unfolding of Venom can be told in a limited number of scenes as well...

Venom is not hard to do and reflects a dark side of peter, which honestly, is a great foil in any conflict... and Venom can by mysterious and unseen until the final act of the movie as well, an unseen terror to MJ, assulter of Felicia and cause of Aunt May's accident or Peter's loss of a job at the Bugle.

If they were adding Lizard or some other villain, I could see how Venom could be too much for one movie... but MJ, Harry and Peter we all know and they only require a coulpe twsits to make their interactions interesting... Venom can put the movie stylistically and storywise on a whole new level... I think they should do it... It IS a challenge, but it is not only very doable, but the payoff is off the charts...

Venom can be introduced very easily....
All they have to do is have a scene where Brock takes pictures of Spiderman and black costume goes inside him

 

[Hunter Rider]

Venom can be introduced very easily....
All they have to do is have a scene where Brock takes pictures of Spiderman and black costume goes inside him

I think it needs a bit more than that

 

[American_Hobo]

I think it needs a bit more than that

Like how?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Like how?

Well if you read the comics or saw the tv show you know that spidey has to where the black suit first in order for venom to take the shape he does on Brock.

 

[American_Hobo]

Well if you read the comics or saw the tv show you know that spidey has to where the black suit first in order for venom to take the shape he does on Brock.

Yeah I know but I don't think they REALLY need to make Spiderman wearing the black costume first.....

 

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah I know but I don't think they REALLY need to make Spiderman wearing the black costume first.....

Well i dont see how they can do it right unless spidey wears the suit first as Venom's shape is formed through it.

 

[American_Hobo]

Well i dont see how they can do it right unless spidey wears the suit first as Venom's shape is formed through it.

Well Brock still hates both Peter Parker and Spiderman because he lost his job by both Peter and Spiderman....

So his hatred can grow to both Parker and Spiderman...

 

[Hunter Rider]

Well Brock still hates both Peter Parker and Spiderman because he lost his job by both Peter and Spiderman....

So his hatred can grow to both Parker and Spiderman...

yeah but venom's phsycological edge on spidey comes from the fact he kows peter is spiderman and also venom's whole appearence rely's on spidey wearing the suit first.

 

[American_Hobo]

yeah but venom's phsycological edge on spidey comes from the fact he kows peter is spiderman and also venom's whole appearence rely's on spidey wearing the suit first.

So all his strength came from Spiderman?

 

[Hunter Rider]

So all his strength came from Spiderman?

Not entirely,but he knows who spidey is b/c the symbiote was on him and remebers things as its a live creature.He looks the way he does b/c the symbiote was on spidey first and then transfered to eddie who twisted it into the groce shape of venom with his warped personality.

 

[American_Hobo]

Not entirely,but he knows who spidey is b/c the symbiote was on him and remebers things as its a live creature.He looks the way he does b/c the symbiote was on spidey first and then transfered to eddie who twisted it into the groce shape of venom with his warped personality.

Uh....so alien symbiote has to go to Spiderman first....