WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[Showtime]

It wouldn't necessarily be about whether or not a fan, such as yourself, feels the concept is ridiculous. What matters, is how would the general public look at it.

 

[KalMart]

Thanks for the explanation but i guess we disagree on that.
If the concept of the Green Lanterns is not ridiculous, then why is the JL ridiculous so that it cant be adapted in live action? If anything, JL has had some great stories along the years.
For example the Cadmus arc that spanned the whole 3rd season of the JL animated show is one of my favourite comic book stories.

It's a tough call....mainly because of having all those bright costumes together. It's one thing if there's just one, or even two. But throw in Wonder Woman in that gold corset and blue panties, Flash with full red tights/mask, GL, and Supes...I dunno. Not to take anything away from how it works in comics or animation, but I think it'll be a tougher sell in live action. Maybe if they stylize the live-action/CG mix somewhat like they did with Sky Captain. I realize that for some comic fans, characters wearing those costumes in real life speaks to a certain dream-come-true of theirs...but I'd rather that they maintain the comic-ness via animation but use CG to give it an epic film-like scope.

 

[Webhead2006]

who really knows how the upcoming DC films will ever pan out. It would be nice if things were in a more going pace right now. so they could design things to be in a shared universe if they wanted so they can set things up for a possible jl in the future. But things are so crazy with wb with dc guys.

But yea really with all the dam issues getting live action films going. They should try some feature length CGI films. At least they would have something going and it wouldnt really matter who was the cast.

 

[KalMart]

Well, WB's doing Thundercats in CGI, so it could be another vehicle to get that division going up against Dreamworks and whoever else is doing CGI out there (aside from Pixar).

 

[GreenKToo]

Another insider.

Heh...exciting ain't it..

 

[GreenKToo]

It wouldn't necessarily be about whether or not a fan, such as yourself, feels the concept is ridiculous. What matters, is how would the general public look at it.

It's not rocket science. WB always seems to over complicate things with Superman for some reason..
It's simple. Hire a proven director that has delivered blockbusters in the past, hire great writer(s), hire a slam dunk of a cast, stay as close as possible to the classic suit, have lots of action, make the film fun, bright, and uplifting but with soul, and for the love of God give Superman a superpowered villain(s) to fight.

 

[annie.j88]

It's not rocket science. WB always seems to over complicate things with Superman for some reason..
It's simple. Hire a proven director that has delivered blockbusters in the past, hire great writer(s), hire a slam dunk of a cast, stay as close as possible to the classic suit, have lots of action, make the film fun, bright, and uplifting but with soul, and for the love of God give Superman a superpowered villain(s) to fight.

quoted for truth.

oh well.

at least we have the awesome plane saving scene in superman returns.

 

[Mr. Earle]

It wouldn't necessarily be about whether or not a fan, such as yourself, feels the concept is ridiculous. What matters, is how would the general public look at it.

I was talking about the general audience. Why would the JL be more ridiculous to them than the GLs?
Space cops with rings that make light constructs according to their wishes. Their enemies have yellow rings.
Their bosses are blue dwarfs with powers.
Etc...

 

[C. Lee]

It depends on how it's made. The general public won't geek out because it's the culmination of thier dreams....they'll go if it looks good.

 

[Mr. Earle]

It depends on how it's made. The general public won't geek out because it's the culmination of thier dreams....they'll go if it looks good.

Yes, indeed.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

It depends on how it's made. The general public won't geek out because it's the culmination of thier dreams....they'll go if it looks good.

This.

 

[Showtime]

I was talking about the general audience. Why would the JL be more ridiculous to them than the GLs?
Space cops with rings that make light constructs according to their wishes. Their enemies have yellow rings.
Their bosses are blue dwarfs with powers.
Etc...

Christopher Nolan made a good film by most accounts with Dark Knight. If Justice League played out like a Fantastic Four movie, the general audience will laugh it out of the theater.

It depends on how it's made. The general public won't geek out because it's the culmination of thier dreams....they'll go if it looks good.

C. Lee hit the nail on the head.

 

[Fresh Prince]

It wouldn't necessarily be about whether or not a fan, such as yourself, feels the concept is ridiculous. What matters, is how would the general public look at it.

The GA would love it if done right.

 

[Fresh Prince]

I was talking about the general audience. Why would the JL be more ridiculous to them than the GLs?
Space cops with rings that make light constructs according to their wishes. Their enemies have yellow rings.
Their bosses are blue dwarfs with powers.
Etc...

Didn't know the GL's were intergalatic lawmen.

 

[solidsnake86]

It's not rocket science. WB always seems to over complicate things with Superman for some reason..
It's simple. Hire a proven director that has delivered blockbusters in the past, hire great writer(s), hire a slam dunk of a cast, stay as close as possible to the classic suit, have lots of action, make the film fun, bright, and uplifting but with soul, and for the love of God give Superman a superpowered villain(s) to fight.

Well they did try with SR when they hired singer, they stayed close to the suit and people still think it strayed immensely, the cast wasnt anything to laugh about.

I think they know what there going to do with the next film because the have batman begins as the template, basically by making superman begins. They will look at all the origin stories and get someone to put them all into one with a super villain. Secret Origins by Geoff Johns is getting great reviews so far, besides some fan complaints I could see them using this as a template.

The problem right now is the rights issue, but I think it worked to their benefit because by the time thats all cleared up enough time will have passed between the new film and SR. Not to mention STM will be approaching 40 years of age. Smallville will be off the air either next year or in the 10th season, and those fans will most likely go away. They'll have a blank slate to work with.

 

[KalMart]

The GA would love it if done right.

'Right' by whose standards, though? That's the question.

For example, Xmen wasn't done right for a lot of comic fans because of all the changes...but audiences were just fine with it. Same with BB/TDK to its own extent as well.

 

[KalMart]

It's not rocket science. WB always seems to over complicate things with Superman for some reason..
It's simple. Hire a proven director that has delivered blockbusters in the past, hire great writer(s), hire a slam dunk of a cast, stay as close as possible to the classic suit, have lots of action, make the film fun, bright, and uplifting but with soul, and for the love of God give Superman a superpowered villain(s) to fight.

It might be better off with a good but relatively new up-and-coming director who'll make their mark with the film....like Spielberg did with Jaws, Cameron with Aliens, Jackson with LOTR, Donner with STM, Nolan with BB, and even Singer with X-Men....instead of a Spielberg or Cameron of today after they're so well-established. There's something about the hunger of a new talent looking to get on the map and bust the doors wide open that I feel has been key to the biggest blockbusters/franchises.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

'Right' by whose standards, though?

"Right" by having audiences say "That looks awesome!" Heard a lot of leading up to Star Trek's release. Ditto with Sherlock Holmes. Not so much Avatar.

I mean the general movie-going public when I say "audiences." Us nerds are frankly irrelevant to the success or failure of a movie. If that was the case, every single Trek film would have made $250 million, Watchmen wouldn't have tanked and Heroes would be the #1 show on television.

 

[BestGirl]

It's a tough call....mainly because of having all those bright costumes together. It's one thing if there's just one, or even two. But throw in Wonder Woman in that gold corset and blue panties, Flash with full red tights/mask, GL, and Supes...I dunno. Not to take anything away from how it works in comics or animation, but I think it'll be a tougher sell in live action. Maybe if they stylize the live-action/CG mix somewhat like they did with Sky Captain. I realize that for some comic fans, characters wearing those costumes in real life speaks to a certain dream-come-true of theirs...but I'd rather that they maintain the comic-ness via animation but use CG to give it an epic film-like scope.

Have you seen some of the costume suggestions in the WW thread? They replace the panties with a battle skirt. It doesn't look campy or silly at all IMO.

It's not rocket science. WB always seems to over complicate things with Superman for some reason..
It's simple. Hire a proven director that has delivered blockbusters in the past, hire great writer(s), hire a slam dunk of a cast, stay as close as possible to the classic suit, have lots of action, make the film fun, bright, and uplifting but with soul, and for the love of God give Superman a superpowered villain(s) to fight.

Unfortunately, I think it's legal rather than creative issues that are holding Supes back now.

 

[KalMart]

Have you seen some of the costume suggestions in the WW thread? They replace the panties with a battle skirt. It doesn't look campy or silly at all IMO.

Not really a strong case here.


And again, one or two characters in a movie about just them as opposed to five of them..... It's one thing if they all had the same kind of tactical uniform, like in Xmen or FF, but I think the JL characters are much more dependent on their individual costumes, and the nature of those costumes grouped together in live action may expose their...'costume-ness'...if you will, in live action. Something a comic-fan may be exited about just in principle, but would need some sort of rationality for general viewers beyond just being a movie about superheroes.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I understand what Kal-Mart is saying but lets wait and see how the Avengers will do in the box office. Imho if the direction of the movie is good and if the story is deep and multilayered, it should do well.
Also, Marvel's strategy is ingenius. From the looks of it, they are building the Avengers in the separate franchises so when the movie comes, it will be justified and its story will already have been built up so the audience will be anxious to see what will happen.
If for example during a Superman movie Supes uncovers a greater evil (say Darkseid or Despero or Sinestro or whatever), he could ask for advice and help from Hal who can access the archives of Oa and help him out. Bruce could also have uncovered parts of the truth and he could understand the need of a team up.
Building up the plot of the JL in the separate films and intertwining it with whatever else is happening in each one will make the audience want to see the JL movie and find out what happened.
For example even if you are the biggest fan of grimdark batman, you have to read Final Crisis to find out what happened to your favourite hero.

 

[KalMart]

They should probably leave Batman out of it, unless they'll just have a Batman in JL that's unrelated to the Nolan movies.

 

[solidsnake86]

DC just announced today Superman Earth One, another origin story written by JMS which takes place outside of continuity. Its coming out in Graphic Novel form. Basically WB can't say they don't have enough origin stories to pull from now. There's an interview up on AICN and its posted in the dc comics board as well.

 

[Mr. Earle]

They should probably leave Batman out of it, unless they'll just have a Batman in JL that's unrelated to the Nolan movies.

Why? If we're talking about Nolan's uber realistic Batman, then maybe yes he couldnt work in the JL. But a more canonical batman version could. So why cant there be a more canonical batman who has his own movie franchise and is part of the JL? Everyone's favourite, BTAS Batman was part of the JL and lost nothing by doing so. In fact he was a great asset.

DC just announced today Superman Earth One, another origin story written by JMS which takes place outside of continuity. Its coming out in Graphic Novel form. Basically WB can't say they don't have enough origin stories to pull from now. There's an interview up on AICN and its posted in the dc comics board as well.

But... WHY? Superman has already had a thousand origin stories printed. Jesus Christ.

 

[KalMart]

Why? If we're talking about Nolan's uber realistic Batman, then maybe yes he couldnt work in the JL. But a more canonical batman version could. So why cant there be a more canonical batman who has his own movie franchise and is part of the JL?

That's what I'm saying...if the timing works out that a JL move will develop around the time that Nolan's Batmans are finishing, then either don't try to incorporate that Batman and leave him out, or just put a new Batman in there unrelated to it. If there's time to start another Bat franchise, sure, make a new one. But I would think it'd be good to take a break from Batman for a while after Nolan is done, instead of starting a whole other one right away. So unless we're talking about another ten years or so before a possible JL project (which it might be for Superman anyway), then we likely won't hve another Batman version before JL. So...just go with a new, unrelated Batman in JL if they want Batman in it.

Everyone's favourite, BTAS Batman was part of the JL and lost nothing by doing so.

Yeah well, BTAS is really what started all of that to begin with...it grew into Timm & crew doing Superman, then the JL....so in many ways, that Batman was, from the outset, the cornerstone of the entire world established from there onwards. This is different. If they feel they need to establish a common ground for these characters, they'll have to do it from here no out in the movies. But then...what if GL starts around now, another Superman starts in six years..and another Batman in eight? That's partly why I think if they do a JL, just have it be that movie, and introduce the individual characters with a short prologue/montage in the beginning with perhaps a narration....kind of a mythical setup like the beginning of the first LOTR...but without having to connect the heros to the continuities of any previous character movies. Othewise, if they want to keep them all connected before even getting there, they'd probably have to start them all around the same time pretty soon....and as it stands, the franchises are all in different places along their own development and/or reinvention.

They should probably just see how these other characters will do in their own right first, and hope they don't completely peter out before they decide to group them together. Otherwise, you could get another Alien vs. Predator.