Well...it seems there isn't really gonna be a TIH2.

[Spider-Aziz]

That's harsh, I need the sequel I'll never get, the Banner cliffhanger looked like it would lead to him being the Professor
I hope Sterns cliffhanger leads to him appearing in the Avengers movie, a guy who could turn Hulk near the edge should make a good villain for the group

 

[TheVileOne]

When and where did they say Leonard Samson in the movie?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Maybe Stan telling Bruce, or Betty talking with him?
His name is most likely there in the end credits

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not counting that. No where in the actual narrative of the movie was he referred to as LEONARD SAMSON.

 

[Obi-Ron]

The name Leonard Samson appears in the opening montage on a list of Banner's contacts. Logic would indicate Betty's boyfriend,then, is not Leonard Samson, although that's who we were told Ty Burrell would be playing. And no, his full name is never disclosed.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I agree Silvermoth. It was good but extremely flawed.

For starters, Betty and Bruce never mention or talk about her boyfriend that she's living with and just dumps at the drop of a hat once Bruce is back. It felt emotionally irresponsible. The character was apparently Leonard Samson but we never even learn his name in the movie!

That was Marvel's doing. Remember Norton/Letierrer were over-ruled so many scenes were missing from the theatrical release.

In regards to that, I personally don't need a whole lot explained to me. It's obvious that Betty would drop everything for him just by her reaction when she saw him in the pizza shop. I think the scene where Bruce and Betty are on the campus and the army shows up would've been better served by prelude scene with Sampson ratting them out ..... instead of waiting to do that after when you see Thunderbolt and he talking.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^There were some great deleted scene's on the TIH BD/DVD that would have given the movie more heft had they been kept in, but Marvel didnt want that, stand out one for me was Bruce breaking down over normal conversation over dinner, showed he hadnt lived a normal life in so long it got to him, great scene which should have been kept as should a few others.

 

[Silvermoth]

It's a bit of an ambitious plan but what would you guys think of a period piece Hulk film? I mean if X-men First Class does the '60s really well then the Hulk could do something really well too during the cold war when a Gamma bomb would be the most dramatic.

I think Marvel as an independent studio is coasting a bit and getting a bit lazy with their characters so this could be a really bold and interesting idea if it's done right.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I loved Letterier's TIH, but he really does not know the character(s) or what he's talking about. Look at what he did to the Abomination. Like most of the producers and actors who have been involved with the franchise, they keep bringing up the television Hulk as the primary source, as if that is the iconic character that has lasted 50 years, while in fact he is only a pale imitation of his comic version. The Hulk has changed many times in the comic books, but all those changes were gradual and had stories with reason behind them. There is a real method to the intellectual madness behind the comic book Hulk, that has been totally overlooked in favor of LOUD roaring. Hulk has a rich history of source material to pull from and Marvel Studios threw most of it in the garbage.

Marvel Studio's big mistake with the Hulk franchise is that they kept trying to force feed us this 'Hulk' that is basically an animal a sympathetic beast. This "he's unbridled primal rage" garbage is what killed it. Hulk is far from That trash of a character that has been seen in all live media. Not attacking Lou Ferrigno, he only acted on what he was given, and he did a good job with what he had to work with as Hulk, but it did not capture the essence of the real ICONIC character.

I've been posting on these comic boards since they started and I know many of the die-hard Hulk fans around here or there and I can honestly state...NOT ONE...wanted to see this inarticulate monstrosity that has been seen on the big screen. I know he spoke, but that was not enough, he was an animal at best. We may have debated which version to go with but the mindless beast mostly came up as the direction NOT to go.

It's too bad if this is the case. I would love to see a Guillermo Del Toro Hulk film or someone like director and comic book writer Greg Pak, who knows the intricacies of the character or at least have him and Peter David do rough treatments. I don't know why Marvel Studios doesn't use fan fave writers of these characters to be at least as advisers.

I'm done being pissy now.

 

[Gamma Ra]

i think ruffalo has a tought job ahead of him.
he as to make the hulk the best in the avengers
he has to act his poor heart out. i want the audience walking out and saying "omg the green one was so cool, why doesn't he have his own movie?"

give us the hulk that speaks
i think thats where all these movies go wrong.
they limit the hulk to a plot device rather than a character.

let him comment about whats going around him

i can see the hulk giving most of the comic relief in avengers(but he wont know he's being funny)

calling iron man a robot
calling captain america flag man
calling thor hammer man

hawkeye tries shooting hulk with arrows and hulk just laughs.

i think banner also needs to out science stark in a scene to show his skills.
i think with a proper hulk in avengers they can turn this whole thing around.
i loved TIH btw

I think that that's what MS is hoping, that Ruffalo will bring the likeable Bixby Banner to the screen, but that's not enough. You hit the nail on the head as far as Hulk is concerned too. The plot device Hulk is a GARBAGE character. Hulk in most his comic book incarnations speaks has views and opinions.

Marvel missed out with this mindless beast crap. He can't talk trash to the soldiers attacking him. He can't make funny comments or snide remarks because the junk they put on the screen couldn't hold a conversation.

Savage Hulk could get laughs just by calling people names. He tends to call one by their most noticeable physical trait.

Yep Iron Man would be robot or robot-man and Thor is long hair or yellow hair and I think Captain America is Shield Man. And the adjective stupid is used to describe most everything.

Gravage the one in the cartoon has an average person's intellect and he's a real tough guy smart a$$ type. Easy to write for laughs (reference any late 80's to 90's action flick).

Both Hulk films missed out on a plethora of possible Hulk one-liners.

edit: and yeah, they were so concerned with folk taking the Hulk seriously in those two movies, that they missed out on something that was a large part of the appeal of the Hulk cbs, seeing him interacting with, and trying to figure out, the world from his child like point of view, his interactions with ordinary people, and their reactions to him.

It's the least they could have done.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I just wish someone from Marvel would take some responsibilty for TIH's performance, I dont care what anyone says, the 2003 didnt hurt TIH, the late and terrible marketing did, we got our first teaser 3 months before the movie was out, now this is okay for a sequel to a successful franchise, but not for the first movie in a series, especially a re-boot, not to mention the marketing when it did come did nothing to establish TIH as a re-boot.

Marvel are all well and good saying there wont be more Hulk movies, but at the end of the day its their own fault.

Agreed Ang Lee's Hulk had nothing to do with the lack of success with TIH. Marvel should have at least put out early posters for the film and flat out called it a reboot.

A lot of non-comic fan moviegoers just think of the Hulk as some dumb, mindless monster who roars and smashes things. It can be hard enough sometimes bringing a non-comic fan to a comic movie, but at least with all the other characters they seem to have some level of intelligence (even if the Hulk does, and can be genius level, but they don't know that because of the way he looks). I think he's the hardest sell to the general audience. In the comics he works, and is a first tier character. I think in the movies he's more of a second or third tier character.

I think plenty of people have at least seen one of Hulk's cartoons before and know that Hulk can speak. Starting with Ang's movie Marvel Studio's had a big chance to introduce the psychological and intellectual drama between Banner and Hulk to the mainstream audience, while having BOTH charactes Banner and Hulk express why thaey loathe each other.

I think Hulk suffers from being a superhero, yet not being a superhero. People expect certain things from a superhero, and the Hulk by all means is not truly a superhero. He has super powers and such, but the Hulk is more a force of nature who happens to come across villains and such in his journey to keep the monster inside in check.

He also prob suffers from what some people hate about Superman: being too powerful. The perception is Hulk is too powerful, so why should I care? He smashes things and can't lose. Which, is in part true. But, I love the dual nature of Hulk/Banner and the psychology of the character, so I really hope Avengers gives him a push and a sequel...with THE LEADER!!!

I don't know, the ant-hero is pretty big in Hollywood. There's been plenty of movies with good with chips on their shoulders. It comes down to whether they are likeable pricks. The good guys bad guys days a few, most movies today have bad guys and worse guys.

Superman's and Hulk's problem does not lie in them being too powerful, it's when they are invulnerable to everything that makes them corny, or when regular humans can't hurt them with anything. They just need foes and weapons that bring them down to human levels, like with the army scene in TIH, advance weaponry, we need more of this.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I think the Avengers cartoon proves how you can utilize the Hulk in the Avengers format well. However, it involves actually CHARACTERIZING the Hulk.

We all knew of Marvels plans to make a movie universe of their characters, why they went with the crappy version of Hulk that they have, is beyond me. The Hulk in the Avengers cartoon could be a scene stealer if used in the Avengers movie and given the proper lines and attitude.

I think, and I don't mean to be mean to anyone, that fanboys are generally kinder to The Incredible Hulk more than it really deserves. It was an alright action film but the pacing was a bit off and if it wasn't so excited to get to the action it probably would have been a better film which would have been reflected in the box office.

I think for the next Hulk franchide they should learn from both Hulk franchises and have Ang's storytelling with Letterier's action. That would equal a good Hulk film.

It can be done.

The pacing was off because scenes and lines were cut mid-conversation. Marvel was so scared people would get bored, they left all the character moments on the cutting room floor. The Emil-Ross conversion in the bunker, the Betty gets Bruce their data, and the Bruce - Betty at Culver University scenes were cut this way. Watching the deleted scenes turned my stomach because of the way they were cut in the movie.

^There were some great deleted scene's on the TIH BD/DVD that would have given the movie more heft had they been kept in, but Marvel didnt want that, stand out one for me was Bruce breaking down over normal conversation over dinner, showed he hadnt lived a normal life in so long it got to him, great scene which should have been kept as should a few others.

Too many great scenes were taken out. All of Ross's deleted stuff should have stayed. You get a feel of his obsessive passion in capturing this power that Bruce has in him. The Bruce, Betty, Leonard scenes should have stayed as well as the alternative opening. I'm not a fan of the suicidal Bruce, but the scene in the arctic should have happened five years before the Bruce in Brazil stuff. Right after he first became the Hulk and almost accidentally killed Betty. This would have given the scene with him falling out the helicopter more weight. The audience will get the idea that Hulk will not allow Banner to take his life without a fight.

 

[Lord]

If Marvel gets the x-men movie right back and if they make a proper wolverine' Weapon X film i would like to see a Wolverine vs Hulk movie as a prequel to TIH showing how he became hulk with wolverine working for the canadian government before he joins the x-men.

 

[Gamma Ra]

If Marvel gets the x-men movie right back and if they make a proper wolverine' Weapon X film i would like to see a Wolverine vs Hulk movie as a prequel to TIH showing how he became hulk with wolverine working for the canadian government before he joins the x-men.

Yeah it's a shame Marvel Studio's doesn't have rights to all their characters, because I will give Kevin Feige and his team credit I believe they have the ba!!$ enough to do it.

 

[Silvermoth]

Call me crazy but what would you guys think about a period piece Hulk film. I mean we still haven't seen an origin of Bruce Banner where he gets blown up by a gamma bomb and that was definetly a very powerful metaphor during the Cold War.

Some might think it'll encroach on X-men First Classes territory but there's different ways of doing it that could be quite interesting.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Comic Book Banner is as interesting as Hulk when you look at it from the perspective that he's the reason Hulk is capable of doing what he does. Only Hulk writers Stan Lee, Bill Mantlo, Peter David and Greg Pak have really gotten into the core of Bruce. I think Bruce has an interesting story to tell.

A time piece...possible appeal.

 

[Danalys]

I think for the next Hulk franchide they should learn from both Hulk franchises and have Ang's storytelling with Letterier's action. That would equal a good Hulk film.

It can be done.

the storytelling in Hulk was awful. what was interesting was the themes. repressed childhood anger/trauma manifesting as anxiety, sins of the father etc. many of these themes aren't comic hulk accurate tho.

TIH had much simpler themes, fear of your anger potential, fear of your work getting into the wrong hands, and the lust for power. but these are the themes the comic hulk was first built on and other stuff can come later. and it keeps your interest even with those simple themes, so it has better storytelling as far as i'm concerned.

 

[roach]

The name Leonard Samson appears in the opening montage on a list of Banner's contacts. Logic would indicate Betty's boyfriend,then, is not Leonard Samson, although that's who we were told Ty Burrell would be playing. And no, his full name is never disclosed.

wasnt there a scene where he was helping Bruce psychologically in the trailers

 

[Danalys]

I loved Letterier's TIH, but he really does not know the character(s) or what he's talking about. Look at what he did to the Abomination. Like most of the producers and actors who have been involved with the franchise, they keep bringing up the television Hulk as the primary source, as if that is the iconic character that has lasted 50 years, while in fact he is only a pale imitation of his comic version. The Hulk has changed many times in the comic books, but all those changes were gradual and had stories with reason behind them. There is a real method to the intellectual madness behind the comic book Hulk, that has been totally overlooked in favor of LOUD roaring. Hulk has a rich history of source material to pull from and Marvel Studios threw most of it in the garbage.

Marvel Studio's big mistake with the Hulk franchise is that they kept trying to force feed us this 'Hulk' that is basically an animal a sympathetic beast. This "he's unbridled primal rage" garbage is what killed it. Hulk is far from That trash of a character that has been seen in all live media. Not attacking Lou Ferrigno, he only acted on what he was given, and he did a good job with what he had to work with as Hulk, but it did not capture the essence of the real ICONIC character.

I've been posting on these comic boards since they started and I know many of the die-hard Hulk fans around here or there and I can honestly state...NOT ONE...wanted to see this inarticulate monstrosity that has been seen on the big screen. I know he spoke, but that was not enough, he was an animal at best. We may have debated which version to go with but the mindless beast mostly came up as the direction NOT to go.

It's too bad if this is the case. I would love to see a Guillermo Del Toro Hulk film or someone like director and comic book writer Greg Pak, who knows the intricacies of the character or at least have him and Peter David do rough treatments. I don't know why Marvel Studios doesn't use fan fave writers of these characters to be at least as advisers.

I'm done being pissy now.

we've only seen marvel studios' hulk not being attacked in the cave scene. he's not mindless because he can recognize threats sometimes mistakes things for threats, not just to himself but to betty. and deal with them in an intelligent way using his skills and tools. he's a lesser educated human not a beast. maybe he can learn to talk more, if given the opportunity.

i think the film hulk is more like the 80s cartoon hulk than the tv one.

 

[Raiden]

Leterrier does have a good point about a Hulk film after The Avengers not making sense, but I would LOVE to see a sequel for TIH in the near future.

The Leader would make a great main villain for the sequel, especially since he's a whole different type of villain than Abomination (although I wouldn't mind him return either).

I don't think Leterrier knows what he's talking about. Sure, theoretically other Avengers could show up if Hulk wrecks havoc, but in Hulk's solo movies there won't be other Avengers making cameos, except perhaps some SHIELD agents like Coulson. It's the same for sequels after the Avengers like IM2 and Thor 2. Hulk will have a spinoff/reboot if Marvel thinks it will be profitable for them.

 

[Obi-Ron]

what was interesting was the themes. repressed childhood anger/trauma manifesting as anxiety, sins of the father etc. many of these themes aren't comic hulk accurate tho.

Actually they are quite close to themes in the comic, I'm not sure what you've been reading.

 

[Danalys]

well not the one's with brian banner apparently. but it's not the best starting point anyway.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Fair enough. At least you didn't call him "David."

 

[S. Grundy]

The name Leonard Samson appears in the opening montage on a list of Banner's contacts. Logic would indicate Betty's boyfriend,then, is not Leonard Samson, although that's who we were told Ty Burrell would be playing. And no, his full name is never disclosed.

The name appears in the credits, it's not technically as a contact of Banner's, if you freeze frame it it says "associate of Dr. Ross".

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I loved Letterier's TIH, but he really does not know the character(s) or what he's talking about. Look at what he did to the Abomination. Like most of the producers and actors who have been involved with the franchise, they keep bringing up the television Hulk as the primary source, as if that is the iconic character that has lasted 50 years, while in fact he is only a pale imitation of his comic version.

A-freaking-men.

I really wish that TV show had never happened. Too often now the Hulk character is tied to it in unfortunate ways. The worst being, "The audience won't accept a talking Hulk!". Ugh... So, like the TV show, the Hulk is now a supporting player in his own movie who shows up occasionally to smash things. He must of course quickly exit so the movie can get back to concentrating on Banner.