The Dark Knight Rises What could make "BATMAN III" more epic then Dark Knight?

[Naite22]

If an unnecessary thread, then by all means, do close it. Couldn't find a similar thread about that around here (but I probably overlooked it?)

The Dark Knight is not only one of the absolute best movies I've ever seen (it's certainly the most intense, there's no contest). It's also one of the most, how should I put it, majestic and most epic films I've ever seen. It completely took my breath away. Even more so then AVATAR did visually, and I mean that completely. Dark Knight was so HUGE in every way, that it brought tears to my eyes. Gordon's closure speech, anyone! (you know we all choked up). The movie was already big enough, and in the final ten minutes of the flick something spectacular happened. It rose from epic to E-P-I-C! So relentlessly majestic and beautiful, that it WOULD make a grown man cry.

Listen to me go on. Sorry! Can Bats 3 become more epic then TDK??? What IS epic in its purest form? Cause we all know the word "epic" gets thrown around all the time, and most of the time it's not epicness at all. Do any of you guys have a clear picture within your heads as to HOW in the freaken hell the third picture could become bigger in that area? And what will it take? Hope to hear some clever answers

 

[Rockbottom]

It doesn't need to be as epic as TDK, it would be a mistake to even try. This time around they need to put some of the heart back into it that Batman Begins had, take the focus away from the action and put it back on to what drives Bruce to do this.

But if you're after an answer for the sake of being epic then have another big Arkham break out with Batman having to take them on himself this time, including Joker and Scarecrow, or go the other route and have Batman some how stuck in Arkham like the game.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Two words: Crotch shots

 

[luke1234]

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[The Joker]

Don't try to make it more epic. It's where a lot of threequels fail. They go overboard trying to top the previous movie.

If we get a movie even half as good as TDK, I'll be happy. I know Nolan can deliver. Just don't let the studio interfere, and leave him to his own devices.

 

[TheBatman072]

Don't try to make it more epic. It's where a lot of threequels fail. They go overboard trying to top the previous movie.

If we get a movie even half as good as TDK, I'll be happy. I know Nolan can deliver. Just don't let the studio interfere, and leave him to his own devices.

This.

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Not this.

 

[redfirebird2008]

It doesn't need to be as epic as TDK, it would be a mistake to even try. This time around they need to put some of the heart back into it that Batman Begins had, take the focus away from the action and put it back on to what drives Bruce to do this.

Agreed. Absolute must-have elements are Wayne Manor, the Batcave, and a scene (or two) at his parents' grave.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, I remember one of the few criticisms of TDK that I actually agreed with was that is was a little...cold, emotionally speaking, due to the overall scope and cerebral nature of the story. So I think the 3rd one should be more intimate - bring the focus back to Bruce and his demons. Because in this film, he should be more isolated than ever since he's lost Rachel and is being hunted by the whole city, so his demons (and Alfred) would be all he has to keep him company. And IF they throw in Catwoman, someone on a similar mission as him but with a very different philosophy/principles who's trying to "enlighten" him on her way of thinking - you've got a nice internal struggle going on for our hero. And eventually, this would inevitably bring story back to the heart of what drove Bruce to don the mask in the first place.

 

[luke1234]

Yeah, I remember one of the few criticisms of TDK that I actually agreed with was that is was a little...cold, emotionally speaking, due to the overall scope and cerebral nature of the story. So I think the 3rd one should be more intimate - bring the focus back to Bruce and his demons. Because in this film, he should be more isolated than ever since he's lost Rachel and is being hunted by the whole city, so his demons (and Alfred) would be all he has to keep him company. And IF they throw in Catwoman, someone on a similar mission as him but with a very different philosophy/principles who's trying to "enlighten" him on her way of thinking - you've got a nice internal struggle going on for our hero. And eventually, this would inevitably bring story back to the heart of what drove Bruce to don the mask in the first place.

i like it

 

[General Vulcun]

A lot of the problems with the 3rd film in a franchise is that they try to do too much, but Nolan already dispelled that curse by making his first 2 Batman movies the type of films that other film makers would try to make their 3rds: epic in scope, lots of characters and subplots, maybe not as much action as some 3rd films but when they did have action it was well shot and spectacular. So I don't buy the "doing too much is not a good idea" notion because Nolan has proven that doing a lot can have a great payoff, if you do it right.

That said, I remember reading a quote from Joanathan Nolan where he said they were trying to make B3 as epic as possible, and to me that just gels with what Team Nolan has been doing with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. And when Jonathan says that they want to make it as epic as possible, I don't believe that means they are going to try and shoehorn in action sequences whenever they feel that they have been spending too much time with "talking scenes" & the audience deserves an action scene at this point. Like with Begins and TDK, I think Nolan & Co. are going to allow the action scenes to evolve from the story naturally & when they do, make them as spectacular as we've seen before.

Though, making something epic doesn't necessarily mean lots of action scenes. Begins was epic in the large scope of the universe Batman inhabits, for example, and TDK showed all of Gotham in mass panic both with actions scenes but also without. With B3, I can only picture Gotham starting out as a complete hell-hole, and the traumatic state that Gotham is in can be expressed in a very epic way without a car chase or an explosion a lot of the time.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yeah, I remember one of the few criticisms of TDK that I actually agreed with was that is was a little...cold, emotionally speaking, due to the overall scope and cerebral nature of the story. So I think the 3rd one should be more intimate - bring the focus back to Bruce and his demons. Because in this film, he should be more isolated than ever since he's lost Rachel and is being hunted by the whole city, so his demons (and Alfred) would be all he has to keep him company. And IF they throw in Catwoman, someone on a similar mission as him but with a very different philosophy/principles who's trying to "enlighten" him on her way of thinking - you've got a nice internal struggle going on for our hero. And eventually, this would inevitably bring story back to the heart of what drove Bruce to don the mask in the first place.

It definately needs to be more personal. Your suggestion is the way to go.

 

[Naite22]

Good posts thus far.

But somewhere along the line, it seems like you pretty much all assume that when I say epic, that equals more and bigger action. Just to clearify this. For me, I do definitely NOT think that big action equals epic. If so, than Spidey 3 (very disappointing) would take the cake...

It wasn't the action in Dark Knight that made it so great. Cause quite frankly, the last action sequences in Begins, with the train and such, was more huge in scope, than the final in Dark Knight. What made Dark Knight much bigger than begins (for me) was the story and the intensity, plus the perfection of the way it unfolds it self. So I do not think that the action needs to be bigger in "3", not at all. It will not make for a better movie. Also, **** 3D! **** Imax! If the story isn't there than forget it... I honnestly dont know what to expect for the third movie.

But I do however agree about the more personal touch in a third movie! And a scene with batman at his parents grave would be awesome !! ;-)

 

[jmc]

I think we'll know where Nolan's head is come Inception. If that film turns out being truly awesome, maybe even Nolan's best work, then I'd have full confidence that Nolan is not only capable of equally TDK but topping it, I wouldn't have said that a year ago. One thing he's shown over the last few years is that Nolan's become more and more confident with his film making, and that's only ever going to be a good sign.

 

[weezerspider]

Put Heath Ledger in a Lazurus Pit....

 

[Tatsumarushinob]

Take the best elements from BB and TDK. Mainly making Batman the star of the damned movie. Batman, Batman and more Batman. I've yet to see a movie that actually shows Batman through his own point of view (i.e. Setting up the goons, working in the Cave in his suit but without the mask, detective work) Sure the first two movies in Nolan's franchise scraped this surface. In fact I think to this day Bale has been underused.

 

[batlovescatDC]

Things that have been set up to be in the third film will already make it epic. Wayne manor being rebuilt, a first look at an actual Batcave, Batman being wanted for Harvey's murders, the truth about the murders being uncovered, Batman being darker and more harsh because of Rachel's death.

Add the epic/tragic relationship with Catwoman, a new trip to Arkham (hopefully to visit the Joker), a little more detective work (hopefully because of the Riddler)... and a new, more ruthless crime boss (hopefully Roman Sionis a.k.a Black Mask).

IMO U HAVE ONE EPIC FU*KING MOVIE RIGHT THERE!

 

[Brother Jack]

Don't try to make it more epic. It's where a lot of threequels fail. They go overboard trying to top the previous movie.

If we get a movie even half as good as TDK, I'll be happy. I know Nolan can deliver. Just don't let the studio interfere, and leave him to his own devices.

It's easy to say that, but if the next film was at say the level of quality that Begins was (which I still love, warts and all) it would be considered a disappointment. That's not to say that the movie has to top TDK, but the level of movie-making and zeal has to carry over. But I agree the sequel needs to do something different.

 

[storyteller]

Simple bring in the man with the big S on his chest


or

trap in in Arkham for the night.

 

[TheBatman072]

Things that have been set up to be in the third film will already make it epic. Wayne manor being rebuilt, a first look at an actual Batcave, Batman being wanted for Harvey's murders, the truth about the murders being uncovered, Batman being darker and more harsh because of Rachel's death.

Add the epic/tragic relationship with Catwoman, a new trip to Arkham (hopefully to visit the Joker), a little more detective work (hopefully because of the Riddler)... and a new, more ruthless crime boss (hopefully Roman Sionis a.k.a Black Mask).

IMO U HAVE ONE EPIC FU*KING MOVIE RIGHT THERE!

You, uh, haven't heard the news have you?

Joker's not going to be in the movie.

 

[Two-Face]

Yeah look at the date he posted that. I'm sure he knows by now.

 

[hatebox]

Nolan should be going into Batman 3 believing he can make the best Batman film ever, and he can - TDK wasn't flawless. But, as most agree, he needs to bring the focus back to Batman. TDK worked because it enlarged the canvas, but the third film doesn't need to do that. It needs to get imtimate again, while still, somehow, remaining spectacular.

 

[KangConquers]

Make a movie about Batman instead of the villain.

I loved TDK, but it was more about The Joker than Batman.

 

[KangConquers]

Nolan should be going into Batman 3 believing he can make the best Batman film ever, and he can - TDK wasn't flawless. But, as most agree, he needs to bring the focus back to Batman. TDK worked because it enlarged the canvas, but the third film doesn't need to do that. It needs to get imtimate again, while still, somehow, remaining spectacular.

Co-Sign.

 

[TheBatman072]

Make a movie about Batman instead of the villain.

I loved TDK, but it was more about The Joker than Batman.

No it wasn't.

It featured the Joker. Joker had a big part.

But it was about Bruce Wayne.

 

[Sharkboy]

Yeah for sure. Center it back on batman. I love TDK, and i liked bales performance, but it left me thinking the concept of batman in that film was alot more interesting than the actual character. In fact the actual characterization of the batman, was probably the least interesting thing in the film, as opposed to Batman Begins.