The Dark Knight Rises What could make "BATMAN III" more epic then Dark Knight?

[The Joker]

No it wasn't.

It featured the Joker. Joker had a big part.

But it was about Bruce Wayne.

Exactly. Everything that happened had repercussions on either Bruce or Batman.

 

[Brother Jack]

Exactly. Everything that happened had repercussions on either Bruce or Batman.

Everything that happened happened because of Bruce/Batman in one way or another.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

What could make it more epic?

Hmmm...

Give it a three hour plus runtime.

Iron out those irritating editing problems that plagued the first two (Let the scenes breathe)

Get Bale to bulk up so he has a proper Bat physique (and Chin)

Stop flirting with the idea of Escalation and really go to town with it. I think this movie should really be about the rise of the "freaks" and should finish with Wayne realising his war is never going to end and that this is his life now... Forever.

 

[Sharkboy]

What could make it more epic?

Hmmm...

Give it a three hour plus runtime.

Iron out those irritating editing problems that plagued the first two (Let the scenes breathe)

Get Bale to bulk up so he has a proper Bat physique (and Chin)

Stop flirting with the idea of Escalation and really go to town with it. I think this movie should really be about the rise of the "freaks" and should finish with Wayne realising his war is never going to end and that this is his life now... Forever.

Oh god no, If a film can't tell it's story in 2-2hr 30 mins, then it needs to be severely rewritten.

I can't say i agree with you about the editing problems of the second film, as much as it plagued the first film, but yeah i would like the scenes to "breathe" i agree with you on that one.

I like your escalation idea, I would love for them to follow up the narrows story, and with the mob the way it is now. For those crazies at the narrows to run rampant on gotham, that would be cool.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Oh god no, If a film can't tell it's story in 2-2hr 30 mins, then it needs to be severely rewritten.

I can't say i agree with you about the editing problems of the second film, as much as it plagued the first film, but yeah i would like the scenes to "breathe" i agree with you on that one.

I like your escalation idea, I would love for them to follow up the narrows story, and with the mob the way it is now. For those crazies at the narrows to run rampant on gotham, that would be cool.

Really? Some of the greatest movies ever made are three hours plus and considering this movie is going to be the grand climactic conclusion to Nolans story, i think it warrants a longer runtime...

 

[Sharkboy]

Really? Some of the greatest movies ever made are three hours plus and considering this movie is going to be the grand climactic conclusion to Nolans story, i think it warrants a longer runtime...

It's a comic book film, pg-13, expected to be one of the most successful sequels of all time, It's not some oscar bait period epic. It won't be 3 hours, 2 hours 30 is pushing it as it is, they will want as many showings in the cinema as it is. Im confident they can tell a perfect batman story in 2 hours.

I wouldn't mind sitting down for 3 hours to watch it, but Seven Samurai it isn't

 

[Wesley Dodds]

It's a comic book film, pg-13, expected to be one of the most successful sequels of all time, It's not some oscar bait period epic. It won't be 3 hours, 2 hours 30 is pushing it as it is, they will want as many showings in the cinema as it is. Im confident they can tell a perfect batman story in 2 hours.

I wouldn't mind sitting down for 3 hours to watch it, but Seven Samurai it isn't

Once upon a time you could gave said the same thing about Lord Of The Rings... Look what happened there.

 

[Sharkboy]

Once upon a time you could gave said the same thing about Lord Of The Rings... Look what happened there.

Wasn't the theatrical cut of LOTR 2hr30mins? I love the extended editions, but thats because i watch them with the benefit of a pause button. Plus you really can't compare an epic novel adaptation, to a batman story, It's STILL unnecessary to need 3 hours to tell a batman story. (just as unnecessary as an R rated batman)

 

[raybia]

If an unnecessary thread, then by all means, do close it. Couldn't find a similar thread about that around here (but I probably overlooked it?)

The Dark Knight is not only one of the absolute best movies I've ever seen (it's certainly the most intense, there's no contest). It's also one of the most, how should I put it, majestic and most epic films I've ever seen. It completely took my breath away. Even more so then AVATAR did visually, and I mean that completely. Dark Knight was so HUGE in every way, that it brought tears to my eyes. Gordon's closure speech, anyone! (you know we all choked up). The movie was already big enough, and in the final ten minutes of the flick something spectacular happened. It rose from epic to E-P-I-C! So relentlessly majestic and beautiful, that it WOULD make a grown man cry.

Listen to me go on. Sorry! Can Bats 3 become more epic then TDK??? What IS epic in its purest form? Cause we all know the word "epic" gets thrown around all the time, and most of the time it's not epicness at all. Do any of you guys have a clear picture within your heads as to HOW in the freaken hell the third picture could become bigger in that area? And what will it take? Hope to hear some clever answers

TDK was IMO epic and since I don't think Nolan can top the Epicness of the last movie, I would say don't even try.

I would go in the opposite direction and make a smaller more intimate psychological movie.

Not sure exactly what I want the story should be but I would like to see elements of Se7en, Manhunter and Shutter Island.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Wasn't the theatrical cut of LOTR 2hr30mins? I love the extended editions, but thats because i watch them with the benefit of a pause button. Plus you really can't compare an epic novel adaptation, to a batman story, It's STILL unnecessary to need 3 hours to tell a batman story. (just as unnecessary as an R rated batman)

Return of the King (Theatrical cut) was like, 3 hours 10 minutes or something and it won a boatload of Oscars... Something that was unprecedented for a movie of it's genre.

And yeah, I think Batman 3 compares very nicely to the LOTR trilogy. Most comic book movies are more or less standalone tales, Nolan's Batman movies, like Jacksons Middle Earth ones, tell one story.

 

[Sharkboy]

Return of the King (Theatrical cut) was like, 3 hours 10 minutes or something and it won a boatload of Oscars... Something that was unprecedented for a movie of it's genre.

And yeah, I think Batman 3 compares very nicely to the LOTR trilogy. Most comic book movies are more or less standalone tales, Nolan's Batman movies, like Jacksons Middle Earth ones, tell one story.

hey, i'd be shocked if batman 3 ran 3 hours, im still of the mind that it's way too long for a batman film, and that any great (batman) story could easily be told in 2. but hey if we DO get a 3 hour film, i'd trust nolan not to make a peter jackson king kong sized snoozefest, and let it flow more like something out of Lawrence of Arabia (something i can still watch over and over without getting bored once)

 

[jmc]

It's a comic book film, pg-13, expected to be one of the most successful sequels of all time, It's not some oscar bait period epic. It won't be 3 hours, 2 hours 30 is pushing it as it is, they will want as many showings in the cinema as it is. Im confident they can tell a perfect batman story in 2 hours.

I wouldn't mind sitting down for 3 hours to watch it, but Seven Samurai it isn't

Given how well the previous two films have gone a 3 run time is not out of the question. Superhero film or not, in this case it's an exception to the rule given the film we're talking about, if the story needs to go close to 3 hours I doubtful many at WB are going to get in the way. Avatar was like 3 hours, didn't stop that from making a couple billion, as was LOTR3, if the film is good enough people will see it. The sessions argument, whilst valid given you lose a session a day if a film is over 2 and a half hours long, is not really an issue with Batman 3 because people are going to see it regardless.

 

[Sharkboy]

Given how well the previous two films have gone a 3 run time is not out of the question. Superhero film or not, in this case it's an exception to the rule given the film we're talking about, if the story needs to go close to 3 hours I doubtful many at WB are going to get in the way. Avatar was like 3 hours, didn't stop that from making a couple billion, as was LOTR3, if the film is good enough people will see it. The sessions argument, whilst valid given you lose a session a day if a film is over 2 and a half hours long, is not really an issue with Batman 3 because people are going to see it regardless.

ok you got me on that one i completely forgot avatar was like 3 hours, consider my argument for that point null and void. STILL would hate to see it run 3 hours though.

 

[jmc]

Let's put it this way, if the story is good enough a 3 hours film should fly by in no time.

 

[Ipodman]

Was The Dark Knight epic at all?

 

[Travesty]

Was The Dark Knight epic at all?

No.

 

[ChrisB]

Make a movie about Batman instead of the villain.

I loved TDK, but it was more about The Joker than Batman.

I'd say it was more about Harvey Dent than Batman or The Joker.

 

[weezerspider]

TDK was like an experiment. The Joker was the independent variable. Bruce/Batman and Harvey/Two Face were the dependent variables. We saw how two similar "heros" reacted when Joker interfered with them, mainly by killing their girl. Batman used it to push himself to defeat Joker, Harvey went crazy from it.

 

[hatebox]

I'd say it was more about Harvey Dent than Batman or The Joker.

This is more my thinking, and Nolan's too if you believe some of his quotes at the time.

The Dark Knight was definitely NOT the Joker's story. He didn't have that much screentime and his character didn't have any kind of an arc - he was an absolute from beginning to end. We're only even debating because Ledger's performace was uncommonly good for this genre. Bruce and Harvey did have an arc, the movie was about how they changed.

 

[jmc]

TDK was definitely Dent's story.

 

[Sharkboy]

Since TDK took place mostly in gotham (except for that gotham part) I would like to see the story go back to globetrotting. Nolan filmed Inception around the world. I would like to see that in Batman 3.

 

[Mr. Earle]

If an unnecessary thread, then by all means, do close it. Couldn't find a similar thread about that around here (but I probably overlooked it?)

The Dark Knight is not only one of the absolute best movies I've ever seen (it's certainly the most intense, there's no contest). It's also one of the most, how should I put it, majestic and most epic films I've ever seen. It completely took my breath away. Even more so then AVATAR did visually, and I mean that completely. Dark Knight was so HUGE in every way, that it brought tears to my eyes. Gordon's closure speech, anyone! (you know we all choked up). The movie was already big enough, and in the final ten minutes of the flick something spectacular happened. It rose from epic to E-P-I-C! So relentlessly majestic and beautiful, that it WOULD make a grown man cry.

Jesus Christ man.

This time around they need to put some of the heart back into it that Batman Begins had,

Agreed.

take the focus away from the action and put it back on to what drives Bruce to do this.

We already know that, so it wouldnt be wise to go through it again, but yeah, i missed the sentimentalism of Begins during TDK.

Two words: Crotch shots

Hellz yeah!

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Oh hell no!

Take the best elements from BB and TDK. Mainly making Batman the star of the damned movie. Batman, Batman and more Batman. I've yet to see a movie that actually shows Batman through his own point of view (i.e. Setting up the goons, working in the Cave in his suit but without the mask, detective work) Sure the first two movies in Nolan's franchise scraped this surface. In fact I think to this day Bale has been underused.

Agreed 100%.

 

[Two-Face]

I don't need Batman 3 to be epic, I just a good as BB & TDK. You don't need to upstage something I mean look at Batman & Robin tried to upstage BF but didn't work.


P.S. Batman Forever is good on it's own right but I don't like Two-Face though.

 

[The Joker]

Was The Dark Knight epic at all?

Absolutely.

Best comic book movie to date, hands down.

TDK was like an experiment. The Joker was the independent variable. Bruce/Batman and Harvey/Two Face were the dependent variables. We saw how two similar "heros" reacted when Joker interfered with them, mainly by killing their girl. Batman used it to push himself to defeat Joker, Harvey went crazy from it.

The Dark Knight was definitely NOT the Joker's story. He didn't have that much screentime and his character didn't have any kind of an arc - he was an absolute from beginning to end. We're only even debating because Ledger's performace was uncommonly good for this genre. Bruce and Harvey did have an arc, the movie was about how they changed.

Nicely put, guys.

 

[KangConquers]

One thing that has made the Batman series great to me is taking cues from great graphic novels; BB of course with Year One, and TDK with elements of The Killing Joke and The Long Halloween....what graphic novels do you guys think should be sampled for Batman 3?