What ****** Cyclops ?!

What Killed Cyclops?

  • James Marsden's schedule conflict with Superman

  • The Departure of Singer to do Superman

  • Both A and B

  • Halle wanting a meatier role

  • To keep Logan the focus of the movie

  • Fox wanting to cash in on Halle and Hugh

  • Rushed Production

  • Bad Writing !

  • The Director

  • All of the above

  • Killed for the sake of the story and plot, and complete's Cyclops arc

  • God hates Cyclops and wants to punish him and all his fans (well ok this one is a joke hehe)


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Tempted to say Jean but...

Phoenix & and to keep Wolverine as the center of the movie--again.
 
Fox and the writers.

You have to be joking if you blame james marsden for this at all. The man had more than enough time to film decent scenes for the movie.

It was the writers that decided to kill off cyclops, not fox. Fox probably said downplay cyke in favor of wolverine, but that was probably it. Giving logan scotts role? Kinberg and Penn. Killing off Cyke? Kinberg and penn, who admitted to writing scotts fate BEFORE they knew he jumped to SR.
 
Hopefully Scott's "death" will have a profound impact on the entire team.

Also, now a rumor has popped up that it is Scott in the final secret scene, NOT Xavier. Could it be? We'll find out on X-DAY!
 
And why is that a good thing?

It wont change the fact that Wolverine and Jean STILL had more of a focus on screen than scott and jean. It wont change the fact that Cyke was robbed of his role in the DP saga. It wont change the fact that they're might NOT even be an X4
 
taintedFB said:
Hopefully Scott's "death" will have a profound impact on the entire team.

Also, now a rumor has popped up that it is Scott in the final secret scene, NOT Xavier. Could it be? We'll find out on X-DAY!

You can't just make something up and say its a rumor.
 
I'd say that we know about Cyclops fate 98%... the others 2%, we still have hope... thay can suprehend us...

Dany
 
"Fox wanting to cash in on Halle and Hugh"

I had to go with that: it pins the blame on FOX, specifically their desire to make Logan the star and meet Halle's demands for a more important role.

Crappy writers didn't help either. It's hard to say what their parameters were (though according to Kinberg there WERE parameters): but unless those parameters said "Cyke must die in the first 20 minutes", they could have written something else that did justice to the story.
 
taintedFB said:
Hopefully Scott's "death" will have a profound impact on the entire team.

ah yess the team, if they're not too busy: with their own love triange or trying to get with scott's former "flame" or taking up his leadership position, im sure they'll find the time to mourn.
 
What killed Cyclops? This ASSUMES that he indeed does die, and FOX is not pulling a fast one on us (which I doubt they are).

What killed him? X3. Plain and simple. Many factors were involved, and I'm sure Hugh/Halle, had something to do with it, but that's not why he's got SUCH a small part. A rushed production schedule has little to do with it, because he wouldn't have been available, period. In my mind there are four main factors:

First and foremost, this was Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto's franchise. All three of those characters were going to get quite a bit of screentime in X3. Add more screentime for Storm to the equation, and Cyclops was not going to be a huge role, regardless of whether or not he was available.

Second, James Marsden choosing to do SUPERMAN RETURNS and having an availability that did not correspond to the scenes X3's production team had laid out at all (you do not shoot a film AROUND a supporting character), regardless of what you believe, had a LOT to do with his minimal part (I.E, he was available when they needed to shoot Phoenix scenes, but not available when the final battle sequence was to be shot or for anything in between). That is why he is only in a chunk of the film, and not put into a coma so he can reappear at the end. His schedule conflicted with the shooting schedule, period.

Third, I'm sure Wolverine and Storm's screentime had something to do with it, but so did Magneto's, Beast's, Angel's, Pyro's, Colossus's, Rogue's, Iceman's, Mystique's, Juggernaut's, etc. The fact is, even before Marsden chose to do SUPERMAN RETURNS, this film was PACKED with characters, characters that would not be seen if Cyclops had a meatier role. His minor part allows for them to take the spotlight. The writers and the studio both knew that.

Fourth, the writers clearly had limitations. They had Cyclops for a certain amount of time, and had to fit him into a certain shooting schedule because of it. They were inheriting a character who was already written out of half of X2, so doing that really wasn't an option. The only real way to put any drama into Cyclops's role was to kill him off and use it for the Phoenix storyline. Their only other real writing choice was to have him go into a coma and not wake up, or wake up at the end of the film, having had pretty much no part in it.

Remember, they did manage to sneak in some more stuff with Wolverine, and the romantic aspect with Jean/Phoenix before he dies.
 
This Cyclops crybaby whining has gotten out of hand.

Sonny died in the Godfather. Sometimes a quality story spins emotional tales of a popular character's demise. The Guard states it perfectly above. "The only real way to put any drama into Cyclops's role was to kill him off and use it for the Phoenix storyline."

I applaud this choice and yes, I'm a long time X-Men fan and even consider Cyke a favorite.
 
ginny_weasley said:
Ok, fess up, who voted for the second to last option?

I did.

"Killed for the sake of the story and plot, and complete's Cyclops arc" Seems to apply better then any of the conspiracy theories listed. Cyke's death immediately gives powerful emotional weight to Jean's transformation. It's instant characterization. Also, how does dying ever NOT complete someone's arc? (Please don't bring up the Elektra movie)
 
YJ1 said:
This Cyclops crybaby whining has gotten out of hand.

Sonny died in the Godfather. Sometimes a quality story spins emotional tales of a popular character's demise. The Guard states it perfectly above. "The only real way to put any drama into Cyclops's role was to kill him off and use it for the Phoenix storyline."

I applaud this choice and yes, I'm a long time X-Men fan and even consider Cyke a favorite.

I'll admit that I agree in some respects. I watched the clip of Wolverine confronting Jean about Scott, and her reactions are heartwrenching: at least in that respect, the relationship between Cyke and Jean gets some justice and plays an important dramatic role.

Still, I think it was an easy way out for drama. I have this big issue with stories that kill off a character just to generate some drama: I do mean that seriously - it's a real pet peeve of mine. It's far more challenging to create some drama without resorting to something as easy (but permanent) as death.

IMHO Cyke deserves to play a more important role in this story: in fact, I think a piece of the storyline following his attempts to save Jean would be more emotional and meaningful than one surrounding Wolverine.

Just my two cents. ;)
 
YJ1 said:
I did.

"Killed for the sake of the story and plot, and complete's Cyclops arc" Seems to apply better then any of the conspiracy theories listed. Cyke's death immediately gives powerful emotional weight to Jean's transformation. It's instant characterization. Also, how does dying ever NOT complete someone's arc? (Please don't bring up the Elektra movie)

How about Jean in X2? :p

I would also agree with this except that thus far it appears Cyclops' death seems to resonate little in so far as the rest of the film is concerned (even reviews have noted it) . . . also, Jean is fairly heavily transformed before realizing she's killed Cyclops (i.e. her and Logan's confrontation in the infirmary--she doesn't even remember Cyclops and yet she's clearly a different person and out of control). Also, her later scenes in which she is readily angry seem to be more about Xavier's "manipulation" than anything else . . . I guess we really won't know how effective Cyclops' death is until we actually see the movie.
 
The Guard said:
What killed Cyclops? This ASSUMES that he indeed does die, and FOX is not pulling a fast one on us (which I doubt they are).

What killed him? X3. Plain and simple. Many factors were involved, and I'm sure Hugh/Halle, had something to do with it, but that's not why he's got SUCH a small part. A rushed production schedule has little to do with it, because he wouldn't have been available, period. In my mind there are four main factors:

First and foremost, this was Wolverine, Xavier and Magneto's franchise. All three of those characters were going to get quite a bit of screentime in X3. Add more screentime for Storm to the equation, and Cyclops was not going to be a huge role, regardless of whether or not he was available.

Second, James Marsden choosing to do SUPERMAN RETURNS and having an availability that did not correspond to the scenes X3's production team had laid out at all (you do not shoot a film AROUND a supporting character), regardless of what you believe, had a LOT to do with his minimal part (I.E, he was available when they needed to shoot Phoenix scenes, but not available when the final battle sequence was to be shot or for anything in between). That is why he is only in a chunk of the film, and not put into a coma so he can reappear at the end. His schedule conflicted with the shooting schedule, period.

Third, I'm sure Wolverine and Storm's screentime had something to do with it, but so did Magneto's, Beast's, Angel's, Pyro's, Colossus's, Rogue's, Iceman's, Mystique's, Juggernaut's, etc. The fact is, even before Marsden chose to do SUPERMAN RETURNS, this film was PACKED with characters, characters that would not be seen if Cyclops had a meatier role. His minor part allows for them to take the spotlight. The writers and the studio both knew that.

Fourth, the writers clearly had limitations. They had Cyclops for a certain amount of time, and had to fit him into a certain shooting schedule because of it. They were inheriting a character who was already written out of half of X2, so doing that really wasn't an option. The only real way to put any drama into Cyclops's role was to kill him off and use it for the Phoenix storyline. Their only other real writing choice was to have him go into a coma and not wake up, or wake up at the end of the film, having had pretty much no part in it.

Remember, they did manage to sneak in some more stuff with Wolverine, and the romantic aspect with Jean/Phoenix before he dies.

The availability excuse doesn't hold water. They had Marsden for a month.

It was done for one reason and one reason only-Wolverine.

Hopefully, they'll remake these movies one day and get it right. but that'll be years, if ever.
 
Kurosawa said:
The availability excuse doesn't hold water. They had Marsden for a month.

It was done for one reason and one reason only-Wolverine.

Hopefully, they'll remake these movies one day and get it right. but that'll be years, if ever.

lets see, how long did they take to redo superman? 20 years? .. ok come 2026 they better get it right this time !
 
cyke93 said:
lets see, how long did they take to redo superman? 20 years? .. ok come 2026 they better get it right this time !

But it didn't take long to fix Batman.
Here's hoping Wolvie sports a rubber outfit with fake nipples!!!
 
cyke93 said:
lets see, how long did they take to redo superman? 20 years? .. ok come 2026 they better get it right this time !

Im hoping for more like 8 YEARS. Like Batman. But i doubt it will be that soon.
 
cyke93 said:
lets see, how long did they take to redo superman? 20 years? .. ok come 2026 they better get it right this time !

That's probably close to right.
 
The Batman said:
And why is that a good thing?

It wont change the fact that Wolverine and Jean STILL had more of a focus on screen than scott and jean. It wont change the fact that Cyke was robbed of his role in the DP saga. It wont change the fact that they're might NOT even be an X4

All of the above!!:mad: And with the treatment of Cyclops I wouldn't even want an X4.:down
 
Radagast_Prime said:
All of the above!!:mad: And with the treatment of Cyclops I wouldn't even want an X4.:down

But what about Sinister? Are you telling me you don't want to watch Wolverine fight Mr. Sinister and protect his baby born from Jean's clone from the hands of Apocalyse? Wolvie still has to co-founder X-Factor and meat his space-pirate father.
 
Aptman said:
But what about Sinister? Are you telling me you don't want to watch Wolverine fight Mr. Sinister and protect his baby born from Jean's clone from the hands of Apocalyse? Wolvie still has to co-founder X-Factor and meat his space-pirate father.
LMAO:) ...
 
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