What is DC Entertainment doing? What is their plan? - Part 1

[TheVileOne]

Sub-genre stuff like Guardians of the Galaxy?

 

[Mr.M]

The problem with Spidey is the nature of the narrative itself. He is a college aged kid with girl problems and household issues. It's a very young adult, angsty teenage drama. If you want to make that a film franchise, then you have to make many films in a relatively quick span if you use the same cast. Movies dealing with a married Parker with kids simply won't be as interesting.

It doesn't matter if Sony waited another ten years. Had they released Webb's films a decade from now, you would've seen an increased box office from a nostalgia stand point, but the returns would not have been anything spectacular even so. There is a limited amount of cinematic stories you can tell about Peter Parker as a young man, despite his vast rogue villain gallery.

 

[Mr.M]

Sub-genre stuff like Guardians of the Galaxy?

Not a coincidence in the least, but not something I'll be interested in personally.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well look obviously Marvel is going that route. And obviously they will recast actors at some point to make new Iron Man, Cap, and Thor movies. It's inevitable really.

Now that Iron Man had his first trilogy. Cap and Thor will be the main players in Phase 3 along with Avengers 3. Those solo-franchises are huge money makers now. They are billion dollar franchises and the Avengers increased their popularity.

Look at Captain America. The Winter Soldier is likely going to surpass the worldwide take of Man of Steel (Superman) and possibly the domestic of Amazing Spider-Man. Who would've imagined that 10 years ago? That's simply amazing.

So now we get sequels to those films and look at the buzz of Guardians of the Galaxy. I mean maybe it's not as big as Iron Man, but I'm sure it will do decent business at worst. But that means Marvel is willing to experiment and try different things and then do the Ant-Mans and Doctor Strange. And hopefully Black Panther. Marvel is becoming a trusted cinematic brand much like Pixar. Just one movie is an event in itself.

 

[Mr.M]

It's a tremendous feat, but they cannot sustain this level of success post Avengers 3. What would be their PIV? Inhumans? Recast the Avengers? I don't see it. Maybe Ant-Man becomes the new Stark and you go from there. They can use Rudd to carry an Avengers 4. But Hemsworth and Evans, who knows? If they don't resign them and recast, we'd be looking at another Webb Spider-Man, increasing costs, diminishing returns. Luckily they can wait longer than the five years Sony waited if need be.

 

[TheVileOne]

It's a tremendous feat, but they cannot sustain this level of success post Avengers 3. What would be their PIV? Inhumans? Recast the Avengers? I don't see it. Maybe Ant-Man becomes the new Stark and you go from there. They can use Rudd to carry an Avengers 4. But Hemsworth and Evans, who knows? If they don't resign them and recast, we'd be looking at another Webb Spider-Man, increasing costs, diminishing returns. Luckily they can wait longer than the five years Sony waited if need be.

People said they couldn't sustain this model this far, but they have.

Also, keep in mind they've already recast key parts like Hulk and Rhodey. So it's not the end of the world. Recasting the main parts is inevitable, just as I believe Iron Man 4 is inevitable at some point.

Also it's not the same as Webb Spider-Man because that was a straight reboot. With Marvel they plan on continuing this for however long just with different actors at some point.

 

[Micromind]

DC have a plan it's not the same plan as the Marvel plan, but it could work... and just because it's a different plan, it doesn't mean that there's no plan.

 

[Mr.M]

People said they couldn't sustain this model this far, but they have.

Also, keep in mind they've already recast key parts like Hulk and Rhodey. So it's not the end of the world. Recasting the main parts is inevitable, just as I believe Iron Man 4 is inevitable at some point.

Also it's not the same as Webb Spider-Man because that was a straight reboot. With Marvel they plan on continuing this for however long just with different actors at some point.

It works... Until it doesn't work, and there is another TIH performance. That's all it takes. They've done an excellent to good with the other three Avengers, but all that means is that they have secured trilogies for those characters. Every other adaptation must start from ground zero and prove itself the same way.

 

[metaphysician]

So, will you eat your words is Guardians of the Galaxy does strongly?

 

[Mr.M]

So, will you eat your words is Guardians of the Galaxy does strongly?

What's strongly here? Nice little chunk of change in the Mouse's behind, or massive returns, like 650 WW? I don't know enough about it, but I'm going to say 500 to be considered a good success. I would anticipate 400's.

 

[The Guard]

Box office says other wise. But just to entertain you because I know you are going the "quantity over quality" excuse because that's all it is. Take out TDK series, what has DC/WB done?

You don't get to "take out" the TDK series and then make a comparison. That's a bit like me saying "Take out IRON MAN/the CAPTAIN AMERICA movies and THE AVENGERS and what else has MARVEL done?"

What has WB done in recent years other than The Dark Knight trilogy?

MAN OF STEEL, WATCHMEN, V FOR VENDETTA...

Very good movies by pretty much any standard. And that's not counting their television output.

And they actually did make the Dark Knight trilogy. So that's three good movies right there.

 

[Docker2.0]

TDK trilogy was Batman characters being fitted inside a thriller. Batman didn't use his detective skills not once in TDK series. MOS performed below expectations and Watchmen and V for Vendetta were successfully, do you really count those as DC films? No Flash or WW and the way it appears, no time soon!

 

[TheVileOne]

It works... Until it doesn't work, and there is another TIH performance. That's all it takes. They've done an excellent to good with the other three Avengers, but all that means is that they have secured trilogies for those characters. Every other adaptation must start from ground zero and prove itself the same way.

All it takes to what exactly? Even if there is another one, it's not the end of the world. They can move on. The Incredible Hulk didn't exactly ruin everything.

And if they can do Thor and Captain America and turn them into billion dollar franchise, who is to say they can't do others.

 

[HighFivingMF]

TDK trilogy was Batman characters being fitted inside a thriller.

... So?

Batman didn't use his detective skills not once in TDK series.

Did too.

MOS performed below expectations

Because they had unrealistic expectations for a reboot following a movie with a so-so reception. It did fantastic, that considered (and in general).

and Watchmen and V for Vendetta were successfully, do you really count those as DC films?

They're based on DC books, have a DC logo at the beginning. Why wouldn't they be?

No Flash or WW and the way it appears, no time soon!

This fall and May 2016 are too far away to be considered "soon?"

 

[Docker2.0]

If Nolan's Batman was comic Batman to you, then you are kidding yourself. Again, no one is saying his trilogy was bad, I just think Nolan was the worst thing that could have happened to DC because it seems they are going with the dark and gritty "realism" with their movies. Superman is not a dark character and I think that was one of the problems with MOS. I can't remember him smiling once in that movie at all. That's what appealed to a Batman/Superman meeting. They are so different but so alike but it just isn't going that way in the new DCCU.

 

[HighFivingMF]

If Nolan's Batman was comic Batman to you, then you are kidding yourself.

You do know that he's been around for 75 years and interpreted by hundreds of different writers, right? It was still Batman doing Batman things to stop Batman villains. Why does every other writer get to put their own spin on it besides Nolan?

.Superman is not a dark character and I think that was one of the problems with MOS.

Why? He wasn't a dark character in it.

I can't remember him smiling once in that movie at all.

Then you didn't watch it. He smiles a lot.

That's what appealed to a Batman/Superman meeting. They are so different but so alike but it just isn't going that way in the new DCCU.

How do you know?

 

[Bullseye1]

I would say WB DC plans are to reboot Batman as quickly as possible and throw in the occasional Superman movie. All of this once they have made Justice League. I don't see their other characters having any chance unless there is real changes over there.

 

[metaphysician]

What's strongly here? Nice little chunk of change in the Mouse's behind, or massive returns, like 650 WW? I don't know enough about it, but I'm going to say 500 to be considered a good success. I would anticipate 400's.

Well, Captain America did about 2.5x its budget, so. . . say about 500M, assuming it has a 200M budget. That would mean they could take a property far more obscure than Captain America, and still turn it into profitable success.

( I can't actually find info about the budget for GotG, so I'm just assuming 200M; it might well be lower, since most of Phase 2 has been )

 

[Destructus86]

I would say WB DC plans are to reboot Batman as quickly as possible and throw in the occasional Superman movie. All of this once they have made Justice League. I don't see their other characters having any chance unless there is real changes over there.

I don't think they will reboot per say. They are just going to pretend the Nolan stuff never happened and Batman films will continue after this Batman/Superman thing is done.

 

[Doc Ock]

If Nolan's Batman was comic Batman to you, then you are kidding yourself. Again, no one is saying his trilogy was bad, I just think Nolan was the worst thing that could have happened to DC because it seems they are going with the dark and gritty "realism" with their movies. Superman is not a dark character and I think that was one of the problems with MOS. I can't remember him smiling once in that movie at all. That's what appealed to a Batman/Superman meeting. They are so different but so alike but it just isn't going that way in the new DCCU.

Yeah I'm not looking forward to the future DC films as I believe they will continue this "dark and gritty" realism junk that is trending starting with Nolan. Zack Snyder disappointed me with MOS and I'm not sure I will be checking out any future DC projects in theaters unless someone drags me along. I may be more of a Marvel fan than DC, but I wanted so badly for Man of Steel to be the Superman film I've always wanted. It wasn't, my faith in DC has been lost after MOS, TDKR, and GL and these new films. Their animation is lacking as of late, at least I have the older movies and shows to watch. I do not like this future DC is creating. Nolan is a great filmmaker, but now I can't help but roll my eyes when he is mentioned now. Its unfortunate. Goyer isn't much better as well, I can't believe this is the same guy who helped do Batman Begins, Blade, and Blade II.

At least Arrow seems to be pretty good (I haven't gotten to it yet), maybe Gotham will be too.

 

[DrCosmic]

Why? He wasn't a dark character in it.

The movie was pretty dark and heavy. I honestly left the theatre feeling a little down. Even after re-watching the film with no expectations, I did not get a light, happy, or joyful feeling. It was hopeful, in its own way, but without any other positive emotions, and only in contrast to all the darkness, thematically and palette-wise. Even Clark's personality was on the depressive side.

It was an incredibly moving film, and is my favorite DC film ever, but there was nothing light about it, except perhaps Superman, and then only in contrast with a very dark world.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I wish Affleck would do a tie in Batman miniseries on HBO

 

[Doc Ock]

I wish Affleck would do a tie in Batman miniseries on HBO

That could be really cool! Two Batman themed live-action shows on TV!

 

[DrCosmic]

I think it would be really interesting if Affleck did a non-blockbuster crime drama with Batman. That'd be crazy cool to me.

 

[Iceman]

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