What is DC Entertainment doing? What is their plan? - Part 1

[Docker2.0]

So if BvS bombs, you think it will still happen? There are a bunch of what if's into play that people don't realize.

 

[Canadian Rider]

I don't understand how DC can botch so many things so well.

Green Lantern COULD have been a great start to a new series of excellent movies about some of the Lesser known characters ... and ... not.

What is wrong with them?

 

[Lobo]

Anyone else really want an Adam Strange movie?

 

[Docker2.0]

Adam Strange could be a great franchise. The problem with D.C. is there is no Fiege. They have no direction right now. I understand BvS but they should make smaller budget films as well to build up their universe. Do a Nightwing or Green Arrow movie. All this waiting years down the line with nothing to really show for it now is crazy. Right now MS is winning the movie wars with WB and Fox behind them by a mile. I actually give WB the nod over Fox for having big names in Batman and Superman alone. But if they want to make serious money off of their universe, they have to develop a plan. I'm honestly not sold on their plans at all right now.

 

[Mr_336]

If the WB really want their cinematic universe they'll need fours

1) Ditch Goyer and Snyder and bring in a Feige who's nothing like the said two

2) Do the reverse opposite of Marvel: Have Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman on TV while the remaining four JL member have their movies tied into the shows in time for the first JL movie

3) Have all Vertigo and Wildstorm properties on film and cable TV only

4) Start world building with other properties to build up a Crisis esque film

 

[Cain]

WB already has "their Kevin Feige".

His name is Geoff Johns who has been one of their star writers for the last decade and change and who's work has served as influences on the latest DC live action media. It's the reason he was promoted to Chief Creative Officer in the first place.

So far he's been spearheading the TV projects more than anything else but starting with Dawn of Justice you should really start seeing his influential mitts on the movies.

 

[Docker2.0]

wb already has "their kevin feige".

His name is geoff johns who has been one of their star writers for the last decade and change and who's work has served as influences on the latest dc live action media. It's the reason he was promoted to chief creative officer in the first place.

So far he's been spearheading the tv projects more than anything else but starting with dawn of justice you should really start seeing his influential mitts on the movies.

lol!

 

[Cain]

I'm not a stand up comedian nor were the facts I stated intended to be comedy. It's just basic knowledge you can even find on DC Entertainment's website.

Remember that crappy Green Lantern movie from a couple of years back? Johns was a big part of that. It's probably his greatest miss. Aside from that as the years went on he helped get the likes of The Flash, iZombie among others into the hands that made them into TV successes. He's an executive producer on BvS and Suicide Squad as well and is the key liaison between WB and DC in getting the creative vision of this universe flowing. If those suck as much as Green Lantern did then I would understand the ha ha ha's but neither movie has even come out yet.

You stay in your little deluded world. I'll live out here in reality where BvS hasn't even premiered yet and we have yet to see WB/DC's vision in execution because I'm not a time traveler.

 

[Docker2.0]

Please tell me where Johns has showed any kind of power. In fact, he has stated on numerous occasions that he is not at liberty to state any kind of DC/WB plans. I think this is because WB themselves don't know. Myself, I'd actually prefer Johns because I do believe he gets it but for some reason WB has a really short leash on their DC guys.

 

[Cain]

He is the chief creative officer.

Do you understand what his duties actually are?

He's not Diane Nelson but neither is he just some pencil pusher. He's the guy getting these movie and TV projects into the hands of the Zack Snyder's and David Ayer's and Greg Berlanti's and Rob Thomas'. He's also the one helping them get a creative groundwork flowing to make these projects pop. That is why he was promoted from writer to CCO. It's literally his job title.

 

[Jason Kane]

WB already has "their Kevin Feige".

His name is Geoff Johns who has been one of their star writers for the last decade and change and who's work has served as influences on the latest DC live action media. It's the reason he was promoted to Chief Creative Officer in the first place.

So far he's been spearheading the TV projects more than anything else but starting with Dawn of Justice you should really start seeing his influential mitts on the movies.

Except Johns is nowhere near Feige's caliber and is as useful as Jeph Loeb in Marvel's TV division

 

[Docker2.0]

Eh, we agree to disagree on his powers to get things done. TV shows, yes. Movies are a different story. I honestly think DC/WB is making a mistake by making 4 different tv shows while making only a movie a year. I'm a huge comic book guy but I honestly have no plans on watching Supergirl and to a degree Titans or whatever they call the show. I just don't understand their "plan" at all. Again, we agree to disagree but I will say this: if BvS doesn't do well(I believe it will)it doesn't bode well for the DCCU. There just is no concrete plan at all.

 

[Docker2.0]

Except Johns is nowhere near Feige's caliber and is as useful as Jeph Loeb in Marvel's TV division

Thanks for saying that. I didn't want to say it because people will bash you for being a "Marvel guy" for just speaking the truth but it is what it is. WB really just needs to assign that job to Johns and just say handle it, bomb or not. If BvS underachieves, who doesn't believe that WB won't "reassess" their plans for the DCCU? They need to stay the course regardless and even learn from Marvel if they want success. Not saying Marvel is perfect(hello! TIH!)but they have earned the money that Disney has spent and then some back. I honestly believe DC can do the same for WB but they have to plan this right!

 

[Urich Leeds]

WB already has "their Kevin Feige".

His name is Geoff Johns who has been one of their star writers for the last decade and change and who's work has served as influences on the latest DC live action media. It's the reason he was promoted to Chief Creative Officer in the first place.

So far he's been spearheading the TV projects more than anything else but starting with Dawn of Justice you should really start seeing his influential mitts on the movies.

Not even. Not even a little. If anyone is their Kevin Feige, it's their Kevin, Mr. Kevin Tsujihara.

Without him, Warners would likely not be pushing as hard as they are for a DC Cinematic Universe.

Even though he's the CEO of Warners, and has to oversee every bit of it, it's been very clear that he cares very much about the development of the DCCU. Even going as far as hiring multiple writers for their higher risk DC projects, 'Aquaman' and 'Wonder Woman'; a move seen as idiotic and a sign of disarray at Warners by many, but is merely a way of ensuring they adapt those characters the best they can.


And as far as the tv projects go (specifically the Arrowverse shows), Greg Berlanti, Andrew Kreisberg, and Marc Guggenheim are who we have to thank for how well they are doing. Johns had little to nothing to do with those shows.

 

[TheVileOne]

Except Johns is nowhere near Feige's caliber and is as useful as Jeph Loeb in Marvel's TV division

Insulting Loeb is disgusting after the work he did on daredevil.

 

[Mr_336]

Thanks for saying that. I didn't want to say it because people will bash you for being a "Marvel guy" for just speaking the truth but it is what it is. WB really just needs to assign that job to Johns and just say handle it, bomb or not. If BvS underachieves, who doesn't believe that WB won't "reassess" their plans for the DCCU? They need to stay the course regardless and even learn from Marvel if they want success. Not saying Marvel is perfect(hello! TIH!)but they have earned the money that Disney has spent and then some back. I honestly believe DC can do the same for WB but they have to plan this right!

Like you and Jason, I too am a DC man but also one who recognizes the big picture unlike others

 

[Urich Leeds]

Insulting Loeb is disgusting after the work he did on daredevil.

That wasn't Jeph Loeb. That was Steven DeKnight and Drew Goddard.

But, while we're talking about Loeb, we might as well mention that he has run Marvel's television into the ground. Under him, they have produced some of their worst animated series. Perhaps ever. And AOS has been a failure, failing to keep even comics fans interested.

The only good things Marvel tv has produced under him are Daredevil and Agent Carter. But those don't change the years of crap he's given us.

 

[Cain]

Not even. Not even a little. If anyone is their Kevin Feige, it's their Kevin, Mr. Kevin Tsujihara.

Without him, Warners would likely not be pushing as hard as they are for a DC Cinematic Universe.

Even though he's the CEO of Warners, and has to oversee every bit of it, it's been very clear that he cares very much about the development of the DCCU. Even going as far as hiring multiple writers for their higher risk DC projects, 'Aquaman' and 'Wonder Woman'; a move seen as idiotic and a sign of disarray at Warners by many, but is merely a way of ensuring they adapt those characters the best they can.


And as far as the tv projects go (specifically the Arrowverse shows), Greg Berlanti, Andrew Kreisberg, and Marc Guggenheim are who we have to thank for how well they are doing. Johns had little to nothing to do with those shows.

Buddy they didn't get themselves on those shows. It was thanks to previous professional relationships with Johns (Kreisberg & Guggenheim in comics and Berlanti with the Green Lanter film) that they got those gigs and Johns is heavily involved on The Flash show. Both Berlanti and Kreisberg have said it.

Yes Kevin Tsujihara is a big factor in that when it comes to DC he is like the anti-Robinov but guess what? he's got way more responsibilities on his table than just worrying about DC Entertainment IP's. This is why he and Nelson appointed Johns CCO in the first place. Guess who set up the back story for MOS with Goyer and Snyder? and guess who is working with Lord and Miller to make sure they nail The Flash? it's not Kevin Tsujihara. It's the guy who Nelson appointed in that role in the first place.

 

[Cain]

Like you and Jason, I too am a DC man but also one who recognizes the big picture unlike others

What big picture?

You people are as clueless as the rest of us.

None of us work at WB or DC to know what is really going on. All you guys are doing is speculating but the truth is no studio will invest millions of dollars in multiple projects without a gameplan.

These are business people not amateurs. All we have to go by is release dates that we have to wait on and then we'll see for ourselves what their play is. Since they clearly are not going to show their deck of cards at the poker table.

No matter how much it annoys you people that they lack any transparency with the "fans" though; it doesn't mean that they aren't focused.

 

[John Locke]

If the WB really want their cinematic universe they'll need fours

1) Ditch Goyer and Snyder and bring in a Feige who's nothing like the said two

As mentioned earlier Kevin Tsujihara, the CEO and former employee of DC Comics is the Feige working with Snyder and Johns. So there's one Feige and two mini Feiges.

2) Do the reverse opposite of Marvel: Have Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman on TV while the remaining four JL member have their movies tied into the shows in time for the first JL movie

IMO, that's not the reverse opposite of Marvel. Introducing everyone in one movie and then spinning off the characters is the opposite which is what they are doing. I'd maybe agree with you if any of the characters in the MCU shows appeared in the movies but so far they haven't.

3) Have all Vertigo and Wildstorm properties on film and cable TV only

Vertigo and Wildstorm aren't part of the DCCU.

4) Start world building with other properties to build up a Crisis esque film

That would be doing what Marvel is doing with the Infinity Stones, DC is rumored to be more filmmaker/character driven.

DC's plan is to let the television universe grow and expand without being tied down to the film universe. The film universe will be fully introduced in BvS and will expand in the other movies. If BvS fails could it be scrapped yes but that doesn't make it not a plan. IMO, it won't be scrapped if BvS fails, by the time it comes out Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman will be done filming. The plan may be changed ala Iron Man 2 instead of jumping straight to Thor and Cap but it won't be scrapped.

 

[Micromind]

^ Agreed with all your points, DC characters are very different from each other (maybe I should say, diverse ?)

Marvel Characters were created from same mold, namely by Stan Lee, mostly grounding them and their powers and placing them in real world, real world cities, real world problems and toning down their powers. (not including here the characters by Jim Starling, Kirby and Stan Lee's more fantasy based characters.)

So, same person handling them (Kevin Feige), makes sense. For DC, a different approach is needed, WW, Superman, Batman, Green Lantern, Flash are all from different creators and each character needs someone who possess in depth knowledge about what works and what should be avoided in their movies.

 

[Jason Kane]

Insulting Loeb is disgusting after the work he did on daredevil.

At least he never foist some of his works for film amd TV; Johns does and its unsettling.

For the record, Daredevil successfully makes up for the current animated output and Agents of Shield.

 

[Jason Kane]

Vertigo and Wildstorm aren't part of the DCCU..

Tell that to Mark Pedowitz and crossover happy folk on various spots of social media (especialy those who want John Constantine to be a all-of-the-sudden expert on the Lazarus Pit) and that's just TV

 

[Jason Kane]

Buddy they didn't get themselves on those shows. It was thanks to previous professional relationships with Johns (Kreisberg & Guggenheim in comics and Berlanti with the Green Lanter film) that they got those gigs and Johns is heavily involved on The Flash show. Both Berlanti and Kreisberg have said it.

Yes Kevin Tsujihara is a big factor in that when it comes to DC he is like the anti-Robinov but guess what? he's got way more responsibilities on his table than just worrying about DC Entertainment IP's. This is why he and Nelson appointed Johns CCO in the first place. Guess who set up the back story for MOS with Goyer and Snyder? and guess who is working with Lord and Miller to make sure they nail The Flash? it's not Kevin Tsujihara. It's the guy who Nelson appointed in that role in the first place.

Pretty sure Nelson and Johns' appointments were on Robinov's watch. Tsujihara didn't come to power til two years ago

 

[John Locke]

Tell that to Mark Pedowitz and crossover happy folk on various spots of social media (especialy those who want John Constantine to be a all-of-the-sudden expert on the Lazarus Pit) and that's just TV

My mistake, I assumed Vertigo meant stuff like Sandman, 100 Bullets, and iZombie not characters that actually have appeared in the comic universe. There's rumors of a Vertigo slate different then the DCCU.