The Dark Knight Rises What Villian Do You NOT Want

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If Black Mask appears, he should only be a cameo to illustrate the freaks taking over the crime syndicates. Maybe the first scene could be Black Mask and his crew meeting with the Joker/Clown crew (clown masks) and Batman takes them both out. It would be like the opening of TDK

But as a main villain Black Mask is corny and stupid and unimaginative. He's just a "badass" "hardcore" version of Penguin, who is much more interesting.
 
I don't want any villain to be used as a substitute Joker. If the Nolans want to use the same character type, they should recast the role, rather fudging it.
 
Anyone is fine with me, but when you look at it

Harley Quinn: This is the only villain I would definately not like to see, with or without the Joker. I just do noy understand her appeal at all.

Riddler: I feel I must agree with cjmcray on the Riddler, he is a watered down version of the Joker, but I do not see this as a reason to remove him completely, just give him a short scene like the Scarecrow in TDK to show the viewer that "the freaks are coming".

Penguin: Would'nt mind seeing him, maybe in a similar role to Sal Maroni, I can't see him taking the mantel of the main villain, not in Nolan's world. The problem is that most of the none comic readers are probably expecting him to appear as the lead, primarily because of the Burton movies people seem to think that: Joker = Greatest villain Penguin = Second Greatest villain, coupled with the fact that he appeared in so many episodes of the old 60's TV series, so Warner might put some preassure on Nolan to include him.

Black Mask: There are several reasons That this charecter is both unlikely and unappealing, they are not all imiediatly apparant.

Firstly his backstory is not that origional, one of the things which makes the Nolan movies is that they are unique, not just among batman interpratations, but among comic book movies in general. Black Mask's backstory is fairly overused among comic book movies, buissnessman owns large corperation, initiates new buissness venture, things go horriby wrong and he goes insane, becomes obbsessed with hero/hero's and tries to kill/destroy him/them. It would be Green Goblin and Doctor Doom all over again, just without Super Powers.

Also after the success of TDK over Batman Begins Warner may be trying to get bigger names in Batman's villains, ones whcih resonate with the none Comic readers, Black Mask does not do this in any capacity.

Mad Hatter: Same as the Riddler, he is what I call an "Er", villains who are basically watered down Joker's with slightly different motivations.

Catwoman: Has never been done justice on screen, there is no reason to think that will change now.

The Surreal Villains will definately pop up regardless of weather or not the franchise goes rebooted, and in a way I think it will be because of the third movie:

I think there will be no villain in the third movie, I think that is the way Nolan would want it, why? Simple most of the "realistic" villains are either watered down Joker's, have overused backstory's or just plain don't fit in.

Now I know most of you find the concept of :wow:no villain :wow:unlikely and stupid but just hear me out...

As many have said before Heath's preformance is can't be topped, and another villain would be a step down.

But that is not the only reason, if it were than we could simply throw the focus back onto Batman, so you don't have to worry about the villains preformance.

But that is not the only problem here, the main problem is Theme Nolan's universe needs a different Theme for every movie. Without a relevant Theme these movies mean nothing, if Nolan can't think up a Theme he might as well quit or make the third movie fan service.

After seeing the end of TDK I have a pretty good idea of what the next theme is going to be, and I think ANY villain would just seem completely pointlessand out of place in it, like a pine tree in the middle of a desert.

What do I think the next theme will be? it'll be hard to sum up in one word...

The theme should be about who really has the right to defend Gotham, who has the moral entitlement to protect the citizens of Gotham. This was merely a side issue of the last two movies, however it is time to make it a full-blown theme, nope, theres no way around it now, Batman is being hunted by the Police, they and the many corrupt cops among them are the villains now. Lets face it, if it were not for the Police Dr Crane would never have been able to pollute the water supply, Harvey Dent would never have became Two-Face, Rachel would never have died, the Joker would never have gotten into the fundraiser and it is heavily hinted that it was a corrupt individual who put acid in Loab's drink.

It is time that we see Batman take on this corruption full bore, as he soon finds his efforts to defend himself from the police are spiraling to into a full blown war with Gotham's "Other" heroes, Batman also learns the true extent of the corruption and how much of a threat it really is to the chances of cleaning up Gotham and decides to eradicate it once and for all. This would make for a fascinateing story which the presence of a "Villain" would only detract from. The real villain would be the Police force, there would just be no need for an idividual villain, it would just seem out of place with such a theme.

So in short: No Villain At All Please!
 
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One more I definitely don't want to see, would be Maxie Zeus.
 
Why do people think Riddler is anything similar to Joker? Have they even read the comics or do they just think Batman Forever is canon or something?
 
Does that mean King Tut is out too?


PS: Do any of you actually read comic books?

- Jow

Yes, I do. Do you ever post in the comics sections? And yes, tut is out.

I just feel these are villains that would feel extremely out of place, you know what the thread is about?

my own dream choice, as i feel he'd be the most unique movie villain in a long time, and is right up Nolan's ally, is Dr Hugo Strange.

Others I'd be happy with are

The Riddler who i feel can be more than a2nd rate Joker

Deadshot

Black Mask, so what if his origin has been done before, its been proven to work

Firefly
 
Why do people think Riddler is anything similar to Joker? Have they even read the comics or do they just think Batman Forever is canon or something?

When people think of The Riddler, they think Frank Gorshin and Jim Carrey.

I think if Riddler does appear in this series, it will be more like the one from BTAS.
 
Why do people think Riddler is anything similar to Joker? Have they even read the comics or do they just think Batman Forever is canon or something?

There really is nothing in the comics contrary to that, he is basically a the Joker only he does'nt kill people heres why:

Surely I do not need to explain the similarities.

Here are a few examples:

Joker = Purple and Green

Riddler = Green and Purple

Joker

Riddler

Both commit acts of what can be described as terrorism, only one is more serious than the other.

He's almost like the Joker's anoying little brother.
 
Right off the top of my head, there are a few Batman characters I have no interest in seeing incorporated into Nolan's universe.
Not that I'm concerned about the likelihood of these characters appearing regardless, but still..

1.) No Harley Quinn
2.) No Man Bat
3.) No Clayface
4.) No Ventriloquist
 
Lobo,

my comments were not directed towards you. Moreso to the "Riddler is a 2nd rate watered down Joker" people.

That is the farthest thing from the truth if they've ever read a comic book with him that wasn't from the 1960's.

-Jow
 
There really is nothing in the comics contrary to that, he is basically a the Joker only he does'nt kill people heres why:

Surely I do not need to explain the similarities.

Here are a few examples:

Joker = Purple and Green

Riddler = Green and Purple

Joker

Riddler

Both commit acts of what can be described as terrorism, only one is more serious than the other.

He's almost like the Joker's anoying little brother.

You have got to be joking with this post?
 
Okay how are they gonna make the Riddler.

I feel that how that adapt him the character will end up being like John Doe in Se7en.
Also I just think the whole motif of Riddler is stupid too. He basically sets up his own demise. He pulls crime then gives clues about it most of the time.

Also Riddler is pretty tame imo. After having Ra's who was a radical bent on watching a city cripple it self with fear, and Joker who just loves anarchy having some guy who just robs banks or kidnaps.

If the character works the Nolans would have to alter his character to make him interesting imo
 
Lobo,

my comments were not directed towards you. Moreso to the "Riddler is a 2nd rate watered down Joker" people.

That is the farthest thing from the truth if they've ever read a comic book with him that wasn't from the 1960's.

-Jow

Ah, ok gotcha, i agree with you, he's far from that.
 
No, not really...

I am also not joking when I said I wanted no villain.

Man, i've been thinking that for a while and you put it very intelligently...the theme of convolution between hero/villian, light/dark were so apparent in TDK, it would seem totally feasible to NOT have a primary antagonist (considering that would be the batman). They (the corrupt gotham police force since dent is no longer in the picture) will hunt him down like an animal...somewhat similar to "the most dangerous game". Rolf, i think that would totally work and i stand by you 100% dude. Although, i could envision a situation in which some of the corrupt cops being unsuccesful in apprehending the batman would hire some 'outside source,' possibly deadshot as a secondary antagonist.
 
Why do people think Riddler is anything similar to Joker? Have they even read the comics or do they just think Batman Forever is canon or something?
I don't know :huh:....Yes, in Batman Forever The Riddler was basically The Joker in a different costumer....but I've read a few Batman comics (and Im not a huge comic book reader) but the Riddler has always been very different than the Joker and he is definetly one of Batman's top foes imo.

There really is nothing in the comics contrary to that, he is basically a the Joker only he does'nt kill people heres why:

Surely I do not need to explain the similarities.

Here are a few examples:

Joker = Purple and Green

Riddler = Green and Purple

Joker

Riddler

Both commit acts of what can be described as terrorism, only one is more serious than the other.

He's almost like the Joker's anoying little brother.
Actually I think you should if you want to make valid points because those points for your argument are weak as hell...sorry to burst your bubble. Purple and Green? Really...you can compare the two with Hulk while you're at it and just because they end in er?
And do you know how many supervillains classify as terrorist? What exactly would you have him do to be "different"...usually a villain is: a robber, terrorist, serial killer, mobster/gangster, or pedophile. Does that mean that Joker is also a "copy" of _______ villain? (because there have been 'terrorist' villains prior to joker im sure.)
 
Although I admit (sorry Rolf) that the argument is somewhat flawed about riddler/joker, green/purple...would the riddler necessarily have to wear green and purple?? I dont necessarily see the cohesiveness of the comparison, but Rolf's notion of no primary villian im on board with as ive said.
 
I mean, there is potential for several powerful scenes in which bruce has come to somewhat of a breaking point and visits the graves of both his parents and rachel...i suppose you could attribute some of this to the long halloween but it could really work and quite frankly it needs to, bc it was never precisely addressed in TDK

Rolf: let's write a script hahaha jk dude
 
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Actually i just suggested on another thread that calendar man could pose a threat to both batman and the GPD...but he would have to be a relatively minor character in my opinion.
 
You know...it's always nice to see people reveal themselves as completely ignorant to the actual history of Batman

Rolf's argument dosent surprise me, as most of his arguments on the hype are generally weak and rooted in ignorant fanboy bias rather than any actual fact...
 
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-Clayface
-Mister Freeze
-Catwoman
-Calender Man
-Poison Ivy
-The Penguin
-The Clock King
-Killer Croc
 
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