The Dark Knight Rises What Villian Do You NOT Want

[brinomite]

You know...it's always nice to see people reveal themselves as completely ignorant to the actual history of Batman

Rolf's argument dosent surprise me, as most of his arguments on the hype are generally weak and rooted in ignorant fanboy bias rather than any actual fact...

Hey i wasnt defending the whole riddler/joker dichotomy, i was just empathizing the fact that a 3rd film could be cogent in the storyline if there wasn't some sort of extraordinary antagonist. in fact, i disagree with his riddler-joker juxtaposition, my history of batman isnt weak, i just thought it was a good idea.

 

[Mutagen]

I'll tell you who I did not want, Joe Chill's name to be revealed. It would've been better if it were a faceless murderer.

But wattaya gonna do.

 

[8wid]

The Penguin
Poison Ivy
Manbat
Wolfman

 

[Rolf]

Man, i've been thinking that for a while and you put it very intelligently...the theme of convolution between hero/villian, light/dark were so apparent in TDK, it would seem totally feasible to NOT have a primary antagonist (considering that would be the batman). They (the corrupt gotham police force since dent is no longer in the picture) will hunt him down like an animal...somewhat similar to "the most dangerous game". Rolf, i think that would totally work and i stand by you 100% dude. Although, i could envision a situation in which some of the corrupt cops being unsuccesful in apprehending the batman would hire some 'outside source,' possibly deadshot as a secondary antagonist.

Yes, a secondary antagonist, the main antagonists are the police, the police who allowed the unbearable corruption griping the city to exist, in fact the police are just as bigger threats as the crooks who pay them off, without their greed the mob would never exist. They must be the next villains, as they are responsible for most of Gotham's problems.

Yes, you can have one or two secondary villain, maybe the Police hire Deadshot to kill Batman as you said. And we can have another villain in the opening scene, like the scarecrow's little scene in TDK, maybe Batman crashing one of the Mad Hatter's insane tea parties. Or a sequence of Batman decodeing one of the Riddler's riddles and capturing him.

Q) Will they actually do this?

A) They might consider it...

Q) Will fans like it?

A) Most of them? Probably not.

Q) What will happen if they do it?

A) People will be unable to look past the lack of colorful villain running around causing mischief and ignore the fascinateing story that would be told. The movie would be accused of being incredibly boring and Warner Bros would fire Nolan and give "Batman 4" to the next Joel Schumacher.

Q) What will happen if they dont?

A) They would create a main villain as fan service who does not fit in to the movies theme and story and he would be played poorly because Nolan didn't want him. Everyone would hate the new villain for his out-of-placeness and his rushed interpratation and Warner Bros would fire Nolan and give "Batman 4" to the next Joel Schumacher.

Every which way we lose.

 

[Lex Luthor]

I think if Riddler does appear in this series, it will be more like the one from BTAS.

Oh, no doubt we would get something more mature than camp if the Riddler is ever fortunate enough to be included into the current series of Bat-films.

Which is something that, as far as live action goes, the character has never really been exposed to.

 

[Sentinel X]

Yes, a secondary antagonist, the main antagonists are the police, the police who allowed the unbearable corruption griping the city to exist, in fact the police are just as bigger threats as the crooks who pay them off, without their greed the mob would never exist. They must be the next villains, as they are responsible for most of Gotham's problems.

Yes, you can have one or two secondary villain, maybe the Police hire Deadshot to kill Batman as you said. And we can have another villain in the opening scene, like the scarecrow's little scene in TDK, maybe Batman crashing one of the Mad Hatter's insane tea parties. Or a sequence of Batman decodeing one of the Riddler's riddles and capturing him.

Q) Will they actually do this?

A) They might consider it...

Q) Will fans like it?

A) Most of them? Probably not.

Q) What will happen if they do it?

A) People will be unable to look past the lack of colorful villain running around causing mischief and ignore the fascinateing story that would be told. The movie would be accused of being incredibly boring and Warner Bros would fire Nolan and give "Batman 4" to the next Joel Schumacher.

Q) What will happen if they dont?

A) They would create a main villain as fan service who does not fit in to the movies theme and story and he would be played poorly because Nolan didn't want him. Everyone would hate the new villain for his out-of-placeness and his rushed interpratation and Warner Bros would fire Nolan and give "Batman 4" to the next Joel Schumacher.

Every which way we lose.

So basically you are saying: If they chose a villain....we lose?

So much for creativity, huh? I guess having no villain is the ONE AND ONLY way Batman 3 can be "better" than TDK....there is no other way!!! There is only one way the Batman 3 story can go....duh! everyone knows this, its like the law of gravity, its just how things work.

-Honestly from your post, the chosing "No villain" think sounds like a gimmick. Like its being done for the sake of saying "This superhero movie DOESN'T have a villain!...its different!".
Im not saying it can't work...it can but corruption within the Gotham police force has been touched upon since Batman Begins with ease. Dragging that out isn't going to make a "smart" film....if you're going to propose no villain I think you should also propose something else to add to the story...the police thing is really been there done that (Of course I wouldn't mind them using this as part of Batman 3's storyline but using that ALONE to hold the story is somewhat bland.)

Not to mention, with Gordon as the new commissioner and the ending of The Dark Knight (Showing that the people of Gotham City are good deep inside, even its prisoners) I don't see how it can be an improvement by focusing on that alone.

 

[Steyin]

For the next film:

Catwoman
Riddler

Save these two for another film.


For Nolan's universe in general:

Mr. Freeze
Manbat
Clayface
Solomon Grundy
Posion Ivy
Any lesser known cheesy villain

 

[anrrd_2]

human flee....manbat...killer croc...babydoll...


firefly could be cool though

 

[The Batman]

Yes, a secondary antagonist, the main antagonists are the police, the police who allowed the unbearable corruption griping the city to exist, in fact the police are just as bigger threats as the crooks who pay them off, without their greed the mob would never exist. They must be the next villains, as they are responsible for most of Gotham's problems.

Yes, you can have one or two secondary villain, maybe the Police hire Deadshot to kill Batman as you said. And we can have another villain in the opening scene, like the scarecrow's little scene in TDK, maybe Batman crashing one of the Mad Hatter's insane tea parties. Or a sequence of Batman decodeing one of the Riddler's riddles and capturing him.

Q) Will they actually do this?

A) They might consider it...

Q) Will fans like it?

A) Most of them? Probably not.

Q) What will happen if they do it?

A) People will be unable to look past the lack of colorful villain running around causing mischief and ignore the fascinateing story that would be told. The movie would be accused of being incredibly boring and Warner Bros would fire Nolan and give "Batman 4" to the next Joel Schumacher.

Q) What will happen if they dont?

A) They would create a main villain as fan service who does not fit in to the movies theme and story and he would be played poorly because Nolan didn't want him. Everyone would hate the new villain for his out-of-placeness and his rushed interpratation and Warner Bros would fire Nolan and give "Batman 4" to the next Joel Schumacher.

Every which way we lose.

and my point about rolf is proven...

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

As long as The Penguin or Poison Ivy aren't in it, I'll be happy. I've never liked either of those characters, especially the freakin Penguin.

 

[Robin Hood]

I'd have to say the one I really don't want to see in Nolan's films is Clayface... Unless there was some interesting realistic take on the character.

 

[namtaB]

Show 'em ALL! We're gonna take 'em out a whole new door!

 

[Rolf]

I do not see why Man-Bat is unrealistic...

This article speaks to a very different situation...

Nolan... Use your imagination.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Riddler could be used perfectly well in a Batman movie. I'd say just have him in his current comics incarnation, IMO the most compelling he's ever been as a character: a sleazy scumbag private eye.

While I don't agree with Rolf's specific ideology behind his plot, the general idea of the main dramatic thrust being Batman VS the law is pretty sound. But a creative screenwriter can work in some iconic villains around that set-up with little difficulty or awkwardness. Have Riddler be a freelance investigator brought in by the Mayor to help Gordon and the GCPD with the Batman manhunt.

Anyone who thinks a character who's technically operating in the legal "right" against a law-breaking protagonist can't be a repulsive, hateable antagonist should go watch Forest Whitaker's performance in Season 5 of The Shield. I'd imagine our Edward Nigma channeling some of THAT energy to become a truly compelling foe (and a very different one from The Joker) for Batman. Get a powerhouse actor like Philip Seymour Hoffman or something to play him, and that just seals the deal.

Add Catwoman to the mix as a high-stakes thief Batman is pursuing while on the run from the police, and possibly have Selina run foul of a new mob boss character like Black Mask or Rupert Thorne, and bingo! You got yourself a movie.

 

[Ledlunar]

because he's a transformer,,, not the robot type

 

[Ledlunar]

uhm Personally I don't care for the penguin as a lead villain....

I wouldnt want to see Nolans movies (guessing he will do 3) capped off with Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, Clayface, Manbat, Killer Croc, King Tut, and I really would hate Talia to be in it.... I prefer Ra's to be gone

I would like to see The Riddler and Catwoman something along the lines of when in Rome and Dark Victory would be good.... with the riddler working with the police and maybe the remaining mob to find out who batman is , and having Catwoman/Selina introduced... I liked how in When in Rome ... The riddler was using Catwoman to uncover Batmans identity.. thinking she knew it.... Also I wish they could find someone to pay Ledgers Joker role homage properly and have his story further play out... Id hate to see the Joker character die with the great Ledger ... like Gordon, Nolan will have to work with what they got

 

[y2jversion1]

No Catwoman

 

[Rolf]

Of coarse they can just turn Man-Bat into the Jersey Devil, Since Gotham City is supposedly set in New Jersey.

 

[brinomite]

No Catwoman

How can i say this.....THANK YOUt:

 

[brinomite]

Of coarse they can just turn Man-Bat into the Jersey Devil, Since Gotham City is supposedly set in New Jersey.

Rofl, while i agree in principle to the argument of no maniacal, colorful villain running amok in gotham, where do u get the NJ thing from?? Just cause the slums in BB look like jersey doesnt make it jersey...haha j/k i love jersey even though im a bostonian. I thought gotham was supposedly set in a fictitious city called gotham

 

[brinomite]

So we would have the legend of the gotham devil then?? no, jersey with all due respect has nothing to do with BB or TDK...but jersey could be given some 'props' and have some scenes shot there on the turnpike or something of that nature...the subterannean highways in chicago could become a bit overused as much as i hate saying that. on a side note of rofl's post, it would be funny to see batman take on the NJ devils...since they're "wearing hockey pads." hahaha

 

[Commodore Schmidlapp]

As much as I love Mr. Freeze and his story, I just don't think it will work.

 

[Ledlunar]

I wouldn't, want freeze either........ though he deserves justice after what they did to him in 1997.... I REALLY hate some of the ideas on these threads to "Nolanize" him I've read one about a guy who kills his victims and puts them in freezers or something along those really gruesome Dexter lines.........

I think people are taking Nolans movies to a whole new serial killer level in there heads even though they really are nothing of the sort.......

most of the Riddler and Mr Freeze ideas I've read they might as well call those characters any other name cause they pretty much made up a new character and just used a classic name

 

[Ibn]

I hope some of you guys aren't going off of what you think would or wouldn't fit in "NOLANS world". Cause that's really limiting the franchise.

 

[Duskbyday]

Yea why do people think Riddler is a Joker rip off? He is nothing like him.

Why indeed?

If any of these villains appeared, they would already be altered. R'as a Ghul, and Joker were altered. It is just some villains would have to be altered a lot and they are not really the villain anymore.