Who should challenge Trump in 2020? - Part 1

[Lily Adler]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Joe Biden's going to be the front runner then we'll have two old, white men fighting to be President in two years.

Progress!

 

[Silvermoth]

From http://www.newnownext.com/pete-buttigieg-president-2020/03/2018/

We’re Closer To Getting Our First Gay President In 2020
Pete Buttigieg could be the Democratic party's golden ticket.
by Brandon Voss 3/31/2018

Is America ready for Pete Buttigieg?

The South Bend, Indiana mayor is reportedly preparing for the presidential race in 2020, which would make him the first major presidential candidate who’s openly gay.

According to a new Politico profile, Buttigieg’s political action committee is already investing and actively campaigning in states such as Kansas, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Colorado, Iowa, and South Dakota.

Never heard of this guy before but there’s some intriguing stuff there. High polling amongst some red and blue states and I know the Americans love the returned serviceman thing. It’s unlikely but I said that about both Obama and trump once

 

[terry78]

He seems interesting but the fact that him being gay and his last name will probably make him the target of jokes for the least common denominator.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Matt (if you're out there)...

Doesn't Trump's numerous sex scandals neutralize Biden's sex scandal issue and put him back in the running as a contender?

 

[Aximili86]

Not even remotely. Biden's not Trump, we expect more of him.

Others have tried the down-in-the-gutter toughguy schtick mimicking Trump, and it doesn't work. The dude's a white whale.

Biden groping people a little creepily during hugs amounts to more than Trump's dip**** locker room talk and pornstar-banging/paying-off, we just hold the guy to a higher standard. And I guess we should, he's a better person.

But bet your ass if he runs the hands-y stuff will be an issue. He's probably overcome it and win against Trump, but it'd be something he'd have to deal with.

 

[Silvermoth]

He seems interesting but the fact that him being gay and his last name will probably make him the target of jokes for the least common denominator.

I won’t lie, I did notice that.

Still I used to think a guy with the middle name Hussein couldn’t be president but I know they are very different situations

 

[Thundercrack85]

Matt (if you're out there)...

Doesn't Trump's numerous sex scandals neutralize Biden's sex scandal issue and put him back in the running as a contender?

Not really. Republicans have no standards (as Trump has demonstrated). Democrats and independents have standards.

 

[ComicBookNerd]

Kris Jenner

 

[chaseter]

Not really. Republicans have no standards (as Trump has demonstrated). Democrats and independents have standards.

Can you please list the Democrat standards...

 

[Silvermoth]

At least one of them isn’t defining neo nazis as very fine gentlemen lol

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Can you please list the Democrat standards...

Recently?

Losing Al Frankin, a powerful ally
Not endorsing or pushing sex predators

 

[Matleo]

seriously? and what will be with the 300 Electors that voted for Trump?
who elected them before and how?

Michelle could win, but what education and CV(work) background do every candidate represent with them to rule a 350 milion people country?

in what party there are more hard working and rich people? in what are more middle class?

 

[MaceB]

seriously? and what will be with the 300 Electors that voted for Trump?
who elected them before and how?

Michelle could win, but what education and CV(work) background do every candidate represent with them to rule a 350 milion people country?

in what party there are more hard working and rich people? in what are more middle class?

I'm sorry - I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say.

Are you talking about the electoral college? Lots of states voted for Trump. What do you mean, how?

You ask what education each candidate has? Well, I dunno... Biden has a lifetime of political experience, as does Bernie Sanders. They all have their own unique credentials that they bring to the table. What's your point exactly? That these folks don't have enough experience?

In terms of which party has more of what group. Dems are usually more urban voters, city middle class voters, younger educated voters. Republicans are usually thought of as the more upper class voter, older, more business experience.

I'm sorry, what's your point with all this?

 

[chaseter]

Recently?

Losing Al Frankin, a powerful ally
Not endorsing or pushing sex predators

Bill Clinton says hi.

Al got pushed out because the claims came to light. Where was he in resigning before that?

Try again.

At least one of them isn’t defining neo nazis as very fine gentlemen lol

Trump is an idiot. Both parties break morality, ethics, and the law in order to stay in office. Politicians Left and Right have literally killed people and got away with it. The set of standards for a Republican or Democrat is: a) don’t get caught and b) if caught, weasel your way out of it if you can.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Bill Clinton says hi.

Al got pushed out because the claims came to light. Where was he in resigning before that?

Try again.



Trump is an idiot. Both parties break morality, ethics, and the law in order to stay in office. Politicians Left and Right have literally killed people and got away with it. The set of standards for a Republican or Democrat is: a) don’t get caught and b) if caught, weasel your way out of it if you can.

Why do you think Al Franken resigned? The Democrats forced him out. Trump has done far worse, he has unprecedented support. He supported ****ing Roy Moore.

Are the Democrats perfect? No. But you can't get away with the **** Republicans do and still get voted into high office. Trump's administration is practically a police line up.

 

[MaceB]

Al Franken basically proves that the standard for Democrats is wildly different than the standard for Republicans. No accusation of a crime whatsoever. No physical assault whatsoever. No proven motive of malicious intent. But Dems were unified against him nonetheless. And fast. He was out of there in a matter of weeks.

Yeah, Dems have had some bad sex scandals no doubt about it... but you can bet that a **** grabbing Democrat wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Democratic primary, by any measure. Psh, if anything, the Democrats are way too inclined towards ideological purity on these things....if someone says the n word or if someone said that latinos are lazy one time on accident, boom - we cast them out. The Democratic group think is quick with stuff like that.

Meanwhile, Republicans have Roy Moore. Louie Gohmert. Folks known to say racist things. Bigoted things. Sexist things. You know what they get for it from Republican voters? The get called "so real." "They just tell it like it is."

Racist and sexist actions are almost celebrated in the modern Republican Party. To Democrats, they're still scandals though.

 

[Aximili86]

Franken wasn't really a Dem/Republican thing. It was more just that it came to light during the height of the #MeToo thing. They wanted to be able to publically condemn Weinstein & O'Reilly and whoever else, do the right thing, and they couldn't do that while having their prime pop-culture icon grabbing people's t*tties while holding a seat in the Senate.

If Franken had been exposed a year or two earlier, he'd have kept his job too. It wasn't about that, it was about political capital. You can't take a moral high ground and go after people who deserve it, without taking the heat on backing your own guy doing the same, so they had to sacrifice him to the politics gods.

 

[chaseter]

Why do you think Al Franken resigned? The Democrats forced him out. Trump has done far worse, he has unprecedented support. He supported ****ing Roy Moore.

Are the Democrats perfect? No. But you can't get away with the **** Republicans do and still get voted into high office. Trump's administration is practically a police line up.

My point was that both sides are bad. Your point is that one side is worse so the other side is excused...because Trump?

Bill Clinton had someone accuse him of rape. Rape. Tell me how that’s worse than accusing someone of paying them off for sex or grabbing them inappropriately? If you want to go the law route, rape is considered worse. I think both are disgusting and deserving of job termination. The law can then sort them out. The only reason the Democrats pushed out Franken was because it came to light during MeToo. Getting caught and reacting doesn’t make you a better person. Roy Moore is a disgusting person too yes. They are all equal and undeserving of a political seat. They all want power and only care when voters care. Trump highlighting Bill’s sexual allegation past was hypocrisy in the highest.

 

[Sithborg]

There has also been a cultural shift since Bill Clinton and the 90's. ****** answer, yes.

 

[MaceB]

And we don't have Bill Clinton on tape admitting that he rapes people. That's a difference too. In the world of today... not 20 years ago, the Democratic Party is much more concerned about scandals (whether they be financial, sexual, or racial) than Republicans seem to be. In some races, those scandals are actually seen as assets for Republican candidates today.

If Franken were a Republican, he wouldn't have gotten kicked out..even during the MeToo movement. If President Obama ever said that he "moved on her like a b****," democrats would have pounced on him. If there was rumors that Pelosi had been laundering money for nicaraguans for years, then you better believe there'd be a lot of liberals who'd push for investigations. She'd lose her leadership position and probably her reelection even before that investigation was settled. Meanwhile, Trump pays a hooker $130,000 to stay quiet about their affair while his third wife, a foreign supermodel, is pregnant with his child... and a lot of Republicans think, "you know... if I had millions of dollars, that's probably what I'd do too. I don't blame him."

Obama spent 8 years being Mr. No Scandal... and he still got tons of made up crap thrown at him. Trump is a walking scandal.. and Republican voters make that out to be a good thing now. There is simply no doubt that the bar is very different for a Democrat than it is for a Republican.

 

[Aximili86]

And we don't have Bill Clinton on tape admitting that he rapes people.

Just, you know, 4-5 (6? Can't recall the number) women saying he did, over a period of 12-13 years or so.

Let's not get into the "who's worse, Bubba or Trump?" thing. They both ****ing did it, both of those guys are prime skeezebuckets.

 

[Ouch]

Just, you know, 4-5 (6? Can't recall the number) women saying he did, over a period of 12-13 years or so.

Let's not get into the "who's worse, Bubba or Trump?" thing. They both ****ing did it, both of those guys are prime skeezebuckets.

Bill Clinton could not win the Democratic Party nomination today, nor could any Democrat with a history like his.

The only thing that might-might disqualify a Republican scandal wise would be gay sex or an abortion, and Trump could get away with an abortion (which he's most likely arranged for some mistress/one night stand/prostitute to have).

 

[chaseter]

There has also been a cultural shift since Bill Clinton and the 90's. ****** answer, yes.

He would have been the First Man in the White House if his wife won. Democrats weren’t throwing Hillary under the bus because of her husband...which is why Trump attacked Bill’s past. Bill Clinton is revered today by the left. Cultural shift lol. He sells out speaking engagements and out charmed Hillary on the campaign trail.

 

[Matt]

He would have been the First Man in the White House if his wife won. Democrats weren’t throwing Hillary under the bus because of her husband...which is why Trump attacked Bill’s past. Bill Clinton is revered today by the left. Cultural shift lol. He sells out speaking engagements and out charmed Hillary on the campaign trail.

1) Bill Clinton is hardly "revered" by the left. If anything, 2016 demonstrates just how tainted the reputation of the Clintons have become among the left as history starts to recognize Clinton's presidency for what it was: a continuation of the center-right policies of Reagan and Bush. The reason he sells out speaking engagements is because he is a former United States President. Jimmy Carter could sell out a room. H.W. Bush, who can barely speak at this point, can sell out a room. The title they held moves tickets.

2) Using Clinton justify Trump is an intellectually dishonest argument. Its the functional equivalent to claiming that Civil War Democrats prove the Democratic Party is the party of racists.

3) The past is the past. The Democratic Party of the 1990s certainly turned a blind eye to Clinton's indiscretions. The 1990s were 30 years ago. Since then Democrats have realized the err of that way and taken steps to rectify it. The Democratic Party of 2018 is not standing for that. On the other hand, the Republican Party of 2018 continues to protect its harassers and rapers. Democrats forced Franken and others like him out. THAT is the difference between Democrats and Republicans. The Democratic Party of 2018 is rejecting sexual harassment and victimization where as the Republican Party of 2018 is not only failing to force their Frankens out, instead they are actively defending them and using the excuse of "WELL CLINTON DID THIS THIRTY YEARS AGO!" as a way to justify it.

 

[MaceB]

Just, you know, 4-5 (6? Can't recall the number) women saying he did, over a period of 12-13 years or so.

Let's not get into the "who's worse, Bubba or Trump?" thing. They both ****ing did it, both of those guys are prime skeezebuckets.

4-5 accusers that Bill Clinton raped them? I only knew of Juanita Broaddrick who accused Clinton on that, and I guess I'll have to research more about her. Still, we don't have a tape of Bill Clinton saying that he kisses beautiful women without permission, and that he can really grab them wherever he wants because he's famous. Nor do we have evidence that Bill Clinton regularly sought the company of prostitutes and then paid them hundreds of thousands in hush money.. as he was married to his 3rd wife... a foreign supermodel.

Just saying... these two things are not equal. The democrats wouldn't stand for Bill Clinton's indiscretions if they happened today. Nor would Democrats have stood for Bill Clinton in 1994 if they had the same evidence that is against Trump now.

Trump has lowered the bar to a whole new level, and yeah... it basically shows that Republican voters don't actually care where you put your doodle.. at least not if it's one of their guys doing the doodling... and as long as it's straight sex of course... no homo. Democrats at least care to a certain extent about this stuff. It seems like Republicans no longer do at all.