The Avengers "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be Hemsworthy, shall possess the power of Thor" - Part 1

[itchyscratch]

What do we call this bromance? Thoul or Cor!

 

[Gamma Burst]

Thoul sounds cooler!

 

[Rock Sexton]

Gettin' a bit weird up in here ....

 

[Herolee10]

I just realized that another way that they could reflecdt the Jane Foster issue with Natalie Portman not being there is that they could have Coulson or someone else perhaps show Thor a article from the computer, revealing on what became of Jane since Thor's departure from New Mexico; saying like how her Foster Theory became very popular and how she's renowned in the science community for that....with perhaps a article shown with a picture of her (production still from Thor).

 

[Oruku Saki]

herolee, that's most likely what they will do I think. I noticed going back over some of the movies this week that there are snippets here and there of the other characters throughout the films if you know where to look for them. Marvel has been good at keeping the continuity going in that way

 

[cherokeesam]

I just realized that another way that they could reflecdt the Jane Foster issue with Natalie Portman not being there is that they could have Coulson or someone else perhaps show Thor a article from the computer, revealing on what became of Jane since Thor's departure from New Mexico; saying like how her Foster Theory became very popular and how she's renowned in the science community for that....with perhaps a article shown with a picture of her (production still from Thor).

ugh....I'd hate that kind of copout.
When Thor comes to Earth, he's *going* to want to see Jane. And Jane is *going* to want to see him. Whatever prevents that reunion is going to have to be really, really substantial.

 

[Oruku Saki]

Probably an invasion of earth methinks.

 

[Herolee10]

ugh....I'd hate that kind of copout.
When Thor comes to Earth, he's *going* to want to see Jane. And Jane is *going* to want to see him. Whatever prevents that reunion is going to have to be really, really substantial.

I guess it really depends on what Thor knows coming back to Asgard. A part of me thinks that he may have learned of Loki's survival before the Events of The Avengers, and was somehow on his pursuit or something to that effect from Asgard.

If that's the case, then he would arrive on Earth, with the intent to stop Loki first before reuniting with Jane.

Or, if he doesn't know anything about Loki and comes back to Earth not knowing the danger that it's in at first, then another problem would arise for him. He wouldn't know how to find Jane since Jane and Selvig are most likely gone from NM by the time he returns.

By the time he reunites with Selvig and Coulson, they may convince him that dealing with his brother is important first, in order to ensure the safety of not only Jane, but everyone else in the nine realms. Selvig could just mention that he'll talk to Jane about Thor's return and try to get her to understand about him not being able to see for a little while longer.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Probably an invasion of earth methinks.

Ya, you'd think that would be obvious to people like Cherokee by now. LOL. Not only that, but let's see what comes first here ..... ahhh yes, a brother whom he last saw disappear into an intergalactic wormhole.

 

[Godzilla2000]

Thoul sounds cooler!

Son of Thoul...

 

[Vartha]

that sounds like a fish dish Jin lol

 

[cherokeesam]

Ya, you'd think that would be obvious to people like Cherokee by now. LOL. Not only that, but let's see what comes first here ..... ahhh yes, a brother whom he last saw disappear into an intergalactic wormhole.

Yes, I'm fully aware that Loki's leading a cosmic invasion of Midgard, hurr durr.

I'm also fully aware that the Thor movie established a cross-dimensional starcrossed romance that was left in a literal cliffhanger.

Thor is the heir to Asgard, not Midgard. And, beyond his love for Jane, and maybe caring about his drinking buddy Selvig, Thor didn't show any overt affection for the mortals of Midgard. As far as the big invasion goes, Thor's strategy would be simple enough: rescue Jane and take her back to Asgard with him. Screw Midgard. What does he care about mortals, other than two or three specific ones?

That's the dilemma that Whedon is faced with in integrating Thor into the script. I'm sure he'll come up with a great rationale, but it won't be nearly as easy as "oh, your brother Loki is trying to conquer our dimension....you should give a **** and help us out. Especially those of us who captured and beat and interrogated you when you were down and out in our world. Yeah, we're really your friends, right? Let's let bygones be bygones and not bicker and argue about who beat up who"

 

[BigThor]

^ That's a pretty good point there, especially part about how Thor was treated when he was on Earth.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yes, I'm fully aware that Loki's leading a cosmic invasion of Midgard, hurr durr.

I'm also fully aware that the Thor movie established a cross-dimensional starcrossed romance that was left in a literal cliffhanger.

Romance? Not quite that yet. They shared one kiss. All that was mentioned was that he "misses her".

Thor is the heir to Asgard, not Midgard. And, beyond his love for Jane, and maybe caring about his drinking buddy Selvig, Thor didn't show any overt affection for the mortals of Midgard. As far as the big invasion goes, Thor's strategy would be simple enough: rescue Jane and take her back to Asgard with him. Screw Midgard. What does he care about mortals, other than two or three specific ones?

Again, it's not love. It is an under-developed infatuation. You're creating a situation that is not there. Not to mention you seem to have carelessly forgotten Thor telling Coulson:

"Know this, son of Coul. You and I, we fight for the same cause: the protection of this world. From this day forward, you can count me in as your ally, if... you return the items you have taken from Jane."

That's the dilemma that Whedon is faced with in integrating Thor into the script. I'm sure he'll come up with a great rationale, but it won't be nearly as easy as "oh, your brother Loki is trying to conquer our dimension....you should give a **** and help us out. Especially those of us who captured and beat and interrogated you when you were down and out in our world. Yeah, we're really your friends, right? Let's let bygones be bygones and not bicker and argue about who beat up who"

Uhhh ya actually it is that easy ..... Loki is his brother. We all saw how upset Thor got when he vanished into the wormhole abyss. Naturally if he finds out his brother is still alive he's going to want to find him .... like people who have runaway children or siblings. Even if they have done them wrong, they're still family and family comes first.

BTW, Thor attacked the mortals first, not the other way around .... both in the hospital and when he went to get his hammer.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Direct quote from Hemsworth in a FilmInk interview ......

Rehashing on Thor's contribution to the story, he says "Thor has more of a personal investment. It's not just some bad guy that he's gotta take care of; for him, it's family. There's a sense of,'I'll beat him up and teach him a lesson, not you guys.' It's the first time in ages since he's seen his brother, and it's amongst all this chaos."

 

[Shadowlord X]

Romance? Not quite that yet. They shared one kiss. All that was mentioned was that he "misses her".



Again, it's not love. It is an under-developed infatuation. You're creating a situation that is not there. Not to mention you seem to have carelessly forgotten Thor telling Coulson:

"Know this, son of Coul. You and I, we fight for the same cause: the protection of this world. From this day forward, you can count me in as your ally, if... you return the items you have taken from Jane."



Uhhh ya actually it is that easy ..... Loki is his brother. We all saw how upset Thor got when he vanished into the wormhole abyss. Naturally if he finds out his brother is still alive he's going to want to find him .... like people who have runaway children or siblings. Even if they have done them wrong, they're still family and family comes first.

BTW, Thor attacked the mortals first, not the other way around .... both in the hospital and when he went to get his hammer.

Excellent assessment!

Spot on with everything there.

 

[cherokeesam]

Romance? Not quite that yet. They shared one kiss. All that was mentioned was that he "misses her".



Again, it's not love. It is an under-developed infatuation. You're creating a situation that is not there. Not to mention you seem to have carelessly forgotten Thor telling Coulson:

"Know this, son of Coul. You and I, we fight for the same cause: the protection of this world. From this day forward, you can count me in as your ally, if... you return the items you have taken from Jane."



Uhhh ya actually it is that easy ..... Loki is his brother. We all saw how upset Thor got when he vanished into the wormhole abyss. Naturally if he finds out his brother is still alive he's going to want to find him .... like people who have runaway children or siblings. Even if they have done them wrong, they're still family and family comes first.

BTW, Thor attacked the mortals first, not the other way around .... both in the hospital and when he went to get his hammer.

Even Loki recognized that Thor was smitten, and that Jane had made him "weak." And when Thor smashed Bifrost, he said "Forgive me, Jane." While Loki said, "Think about what you're doing....you'll never be able to see her again." And Heimdall recognized the love. And Selvig. EVERYONE did, except maybe you.

And Thor did *not* attack the mortals first. Darcy tasered him without provocation; the doctors injected him with a big-ass needle, which he took to be a weapon; SHIELD attacked him for trying to "steal" Mjolnir. Not once did Thor throw the first punch against a mortal.

As for the Coulson line, yeah, that could become the hook for Avengers....Coulson himself might be the one to "call in a favor."

But I'm not buying the notion that Thor gives a damn about Loki. As far as he's concerned, it's good riddance....the crisis is over in Asgard. Once he discovers that Loki has taken the fight to Midgard, it remains to be seen how Thor will react.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Even Loki recognized that Thor was smitten, and that Jane had made him "weak." And when Thor smashed Bifrost, he said "Forgive me, Jane." While Loki said, "Think about what you're doing....you'll never be able to see her again." And Heimdall recognized the love. And Selvig. EVERYONE did, except maybe you.

Everyone my ass. If it's love they wouldn't side step it. It would be pronounced. When people love each other, they have no qualms saying those three words. This wasn't like trying to figure out Nolan's spinning thimble in Inception.

Smitten is not love .... alas a better word to describe their two day interaction.

And Thor did *not* attack the mortals first. Darcy tasered him without provocation; the doctors injected him with a big-ass needle, which he took to be a weapon; SHIELD attacked him for trying to "steal" Mjolnir. Not once did Thor throw the first punch against a mortal.

Forgot about the taser, which was prompted by Thor. The doctors did not inject him until he tossed basically the entire hospital crew like rag dolls .... and at the SHIELD facility do you not remember him breaking onto the grounds and decking two officers with the butt of a gun?

As for the Coulson line, yeah, that could become the hook for Avengers....Coulson himself might be the one to "call in a favor."

A hook? I love how you overplay things not even said in the movie and underplay those explicitly stated. Thor was far more noble at the end of the movie then at the beginning ..... which is why he also committed to his defense of Earth. He learned life lessons there.

But I'm not buying the notion that Thor gives a damn about Loki. As far as he's concerned, it's good riddance....the crisis is over in Asgard. Once he discovers that Loki has taken the fight to Midgard, it remains to be seen how Thor will react.

Not buying the notion? I just quoted comments from Hemsworth himself about it being family. Once again:

Rehashing on Thor's contribution to the story, he says "Thor has more of a personal investment. It's not just some bad guy that he's gotta take care of; for him, it's family. There's a sense of,'I'll beat him up and teach him a lesson, not you guys.' It's the first time in ages since he's seen his brother, and it's amongst all this chaos."

 

[cherokeesam]

Everyone my ass. If it's love they wouldn't side step it. It would be pronounced. When people love each other, they have no qualms saying those three words. This wasn't like trying to figure out Nolan's spinning thimble in Inception.

Smitten is not love .... alas a better word to describe their two day interaction.

Wow....you've got a lot to learn about love. How old are you? Are you married? I'm 45, been married happily for 12 years. My folks have been married happily for 50 years, and my in-laws have been married happily for 42 years. Know how many times I've heard *any* of us tell our spouses "I love you" in the past decade or so....? I can count 'em on the fingers of one hand. Do those words matter to us? Hell, no. Because we know.

A romantic scene isn't about holding hands and saying, "ooooh, I love you, darling." The best love scenes ever committed to film never had to include those three words. At all.

A hook? I love how you overplay things not even said in the movie and underplay those explicitly stated. Thor was far more noble at the end of the movie then at the beginning ..... which is why he also committed to his defense of Earth. He learned life lessons there.

Sure, he was committed to "his defense of Earth." That's why a few hours (or even minutes) after promising Son of Coul his undying loyalty to Midgard, he promptly severed the only physical connection he had to that world. And, I might add, who did he apologize to? Coulson? Selvig? The innocent peoples of Midgard? No....it was Jane. And Jane only.

Not buying the notion? I just quoted comments from Hemsworth himself about it being family. Once again:

Rehashing on Thor's contribution to the story, he says "Thor has more of a personal investment. It's not just some bad guy that he's gotta take care of; for him, it's family. There's a sense of,'I'll beat him up and teach him a lesson, not you guys.' It's the first time in ages since he's seen his brother, and it's amongst all this chaos."

You're assuming the movie has Thor coming to Midgard to *look* for Loki, to handle Lil Brother. I'm not. I'm assuming the movie has Thor being *brought* to Midgard without his consent. In my view, Selvig and/or Jane and/or Fury and/or SHIELD finally construct that wormhole they were working on and zap a very surprised Thor back to Earth. (This would go a long way towards explaining the scenes where he battles Cap and/or Tony and/or other Avengers.)

 

[Rock Sexton]

Wow....you've got a lot to learn about love. How old are you? Are you married? I'm 45, been married happily for 12 years. My folks have been married happily for 50 years, and my in-laws have been married happily for 42 years. Know how many times I've heard *any* of us tell our spouses "I love you" in the past decade or so....? I can count 'em on the fingers of one hand. Do those words matter to us? Hell, no. Because we know.

A romantic scene isn't about holding hands and saying, "ooooh, I love you, darling." The best love scenes ever committed to film never had to include those three words. At all.

Spare me the lecture. LOL. Did you love your spouse after not even two days of knowing her? If Thor's only "slightly touched upon" romance is powerful enough to evoke the imagery of love, then wow ..... not exactly very impressive. I guess all one has to do is exchange a couple fleeting glances, draw a picture of the nine realms by camp fire, and cook some breakfast together.

Sure, he was committed to "his defense of Earth." That's why a few hours (or even minutes) after promising Son of Coul his undying loyalty to Midgard, he promptly severed the only physical connection he had to that world. And, I might add, who did he apologize to? Coulson? Selvig? The innocent peoples of Midgard? No....it was Jane. And Jane only.

He destroyed the BiFrost to save another realm's existence. It had absolutely nothing to do with him being fickle in sticking to his words to Coulson. He had no choice. Mighty valiant of him. Common sense tells you he abides by his word once he's brought back to Earth in The Avengers and I haven't even seen the movie yet.

You're assuming the movie has Thor coming to Midgard to *look* for Loki, to handle Lil Brother. I'm not. I'm assuming the movie has Thor being *brought* to Midgard without his consent. In my view, Selvig and/or Jane and/or Fury and/or SHIELD finally construct that wormhole they were working on and zap a very surprised Thor back to Earth. (This would go a long way towards explaining the scenes where he battles Cap and/or Tony and/or other Avengers.)

I'm not assuming anything. I gave you the man's words direct from his mouth. You just continue to make up nonsense in defense of your own desires for what the movie should or should not have. How he arrives is immaterial. He learns of his brother's presence on Earth and that becomes his first focus.

Whedon and other cast members have made it abundantly clear what their individual arcs focus on. I'll take their word for it.

 

[cherokeesam]

Spare me the lecture. LOL. Did you love your spouse after not even two days of knowing her? If Thor's only "slightly touched upon" romance is powerful enough to evoke the imagery of love, then wow ..... not exactly very impressive. I guess all one has to do is exchange a couple fleeting glances, draw a picture of the nine realms by camp fire, and cook some breakfast together.

Yes, that's "all one has to do." Happens all the time in real life; happens even more in Hollywood romances. I'm assuming you don't have much experience with this in real life *or* in the movies....?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Yes, that's "all one has to do." Happens all the time in real life; happens even more in Hollywood romances. I'm assuming you don't have much experience with this in real life *or* in the movies....?

LOL .... I forgot you were a famous love doctor and wrote the book on it. When can I call into your radio show to get up to speed? t:

Some words from Whedon on the absence of romance in the Avengers ....

Veteran sci-fi director Joss Whedon recently sat down with the Australian-based FilmInk to discuss his upcoming Avengers movie. The magazine asked Whedon about the potential for romance in the film, with Joss saying there would be none.
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Unfortunately, Whedon says nothing of the sort will happen, as there are simply too many sub-plots. Meaning, each of the characters have to play their part in saving the world and there "ain't a lot time for kissing."

In addition, most of the characters already have established romantic sub-plots, which will be dealt with in other films - such as Iron Man 3, Thor 2, and Captain America 2. There are also plans for a Black Widow film, and a Hawkeye film, so perhaps they’ll get their chance at love in those stories.

http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment/60327-no-romance-for-the-avengers

 

[cherokeesam]

LOL .... I forgot you were a famous love doctor and wrote the book on it. When can I call into your radio show to get up to speed? t:

I don't have a radio show, sorry. And I didn't write a book on it. And I'm not a famous love doctor.

But I've been in love, more times than once, and I've watched many, many films (most of them not even considered "romances" by genre label) that featured "love at first sight." That's why I'm having a hard time grasping that *you're* having a hard time grasping that Thor Jane could be "love at first sight." It's a Hollywood cliche.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I don't have a radio show, sorry. And I didn't write a book on it. And I'm not a famous love doctor.

But I've been in love, more times than once, and I've watched many, many films (most of them not even considered "romances" by genre label) that featured "love at first sight." That's why I'm having a hard time grasping that *you're* having a hard time grasping that Thor Jane could be "love at first sight." It's a Hollywood cliche.

While you continue to pine for this "powerful" love between Thor and Jane, please see my edited comments above. Per Joss Whedon, it ain't happening in The Avengers. Romance sub-plots are being reserved for the stand-alone films.

 

[cherokeesam]

While you continue to pine for this "powerful" love between Thor and Jane, please see my edited comments above. Per Joss Whedon, it ain't happening in The Avengers. Romance sub-plots are being reserved for the stand-alone films.

I know it's not happening. I know that there's no romance at all in this movie; and hell, there's almost no women, period. And that's to the movie's detriment, as I've said many times before. The inability of Avengers to cross-reference its prequel movies --- and here, I'm not limiting this to *just* the romantic subplots established in those, but in all the other subplots as well --- is going to create big holes in the continuities of Thor 2, Iron Man 3, and any theoretical sequels to Cap and Hulk's films.