Why Can't DC Get it right? - Part 1

[Doc Ock]

I think like Marvel DC needs a DC Studios division where they control everything. Marvel Studios has been excellent all around where it comes to choosing the right actors and directors for their films. Even if the story bits aren't the greatest I have had a blast with every MS film so far leaving each film with a feeling of wanting to go watch it again. Captain America and Thor are my favorite solo films from MS because they weren't afraid to go into the "Fantasy/Crazy Sci-Fi" side of things. I've never been a big fan of the grounded thing. I wish WB would go all out and have a Wonder Woman film with mythological creatures and other crazy fantasy things in loads, Batman with some fantasy and sci-fi elements such as Zatanna or Mr. Freeze, and beyond. I felt Green Lantern tried too hard to be "Iron Man" and not Green Lantern. The film was literally too "grounded" to me, largely relating to being on Earth so much instead of in space where the film should of belonged.

I think WB is a intelligent company for the most part, but just don't know how to do it when it comes to Superheroes and comic properties in general IMO. Hopefully this Man of Steel sequel will really get the ball rolling....hopefully. I haven't seen Man of Steel yet unfortunately so I don't know how that turned out besides the money it made and quibbles people had with it.

 

[dnno1]

I think like Marvel DC needs a DC Studios division where they control everything. Marvel Studios has been excellent all around where it comes to choosing the right actors and directors for their films. Even if the story bits aren't the greatest I have had a blast with every MS film so far leaving each film with a feeling of wanting to go watch it again. Captain America and Thor are my favorite solo films from MS because they weren't afraid to go into the "Fantasy/Crazy Sci-Fi" side of things. I've never been a big fan of the grounded thing. I wish WB would go all out and have a Wonder Woman film with mythological creatures and other crazy fantasy things in loads, Batman with some fantasy and sci-fi elements such as Zatanna or Mr. Freeze, and beyond. I felt Green Lantern tried too hard to be "Iron Man" and not Green Lantern. The film was literally too "grounded" to me, largely relating to being on Earth so much instead of in space where the film should of belonged.

I think WB is a intelligent company for the most part, but just don't know how to do it when it comes to Superheroes and comic properties in general IMO. Hopefully this Man of Steel sequel will really get the ball rolling....hopefully. I haven't seen Man of Steel yet unfortunately so I don't know how that turned out besides the money it made and quibbles people had with it.

Right now they have Warner Brothers Pictures and they have been doing a great job with Batman and Superman. I think it would not be that wise to put these film franchises in the hands of people who have no experience with film franchises.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I think like Marvel DC needs a DC Studios division where they control everything. Marvel Studios has been excellent all around where it comes to choosing the right actors and directors for their films. Even if the story bits aren't the greatest I have had a blast with every MS film so far leaving each film with a feeling of wanting to go watch it again. Captain America and Thor are my favorite solo films from MS because they weren't afraid to go into the "Fantasy/Crazy Sci-Fi" side of things. I've never been a big fan of the grounded thing. I wish WB would go all out and have a Wonder Woman film with mythological creatures and other crazy fantasy things in loads, Batman with some fantasy and sci-fi elements such as Zatanna or Mr. Freeze, and beyond. I felt Green Lantern tried too hard to be "Iron Man" and not Green Lantern. The film was literally too "grounded" to me, largely relating to being on Earth so much instead of in space where the film should of belonged.

I think WB is a intelligent company for the most part, but just don't know how to do it when it comes to Superheroes and comic properties in general IMO. Hopefully this Man of Steel sequel will really get the ball rolling....hopefully. I haven't seen Man of Steel yet unfortunately so I don't know how that turned out besides the money it made and quibbles people had with it.

Green Lantern, grounded?

I thought it was similar to Thor. Going back and forth between Earth and a crazy sci-fi/fantasy world.

Also, Man of Steel is very sci-fi/fantasy. Flying dragon creatures and all.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

What DC can't get it right?

Simple, WB is in control of DC films and won't let DC have control of their films.

/thread

 

[The Guard]

Yeah, I don't get complaints about GREEN LANTERN being too grounded. At all. And while I appreciate that Green Lantern goes into space on a regular basis, Hal Jordan's story has always begun on Earth, and I still can't see this as a valid concern to have with an origin film.

 

[Human Torch]

I never quite got the hatred for GL.But,in honesty,he's like Thor to me.I never really followed the comics,so I enjoyed what I saw with little preconceived ideas about the character.

It wasn't a masterpiece,but serviceable enough to build the DCCU on.

 

[Loki882]

The big difference between Thor and GL is that Thor's origin story necessitated him being on Earth to learn humility. GL major appeal is the sci-fi space cop angle. He trains on Oa, befriends Sinestro, and travels around to these really cool planets and meets unique creatures. You've got all that potential, and you spend 95% of your movie on Earth, that's just dumb. The GLC were astonishingly underused. Its why one of the major complaints about the movie is that there WASN'T ENOUGH time spend in space or on Oa. There WASN'T ENOUGH of Sinestro, Kilowag, Tomar-re and the rest of the GLC. In other words, it wasn't epic ENOUGH, that is the thing that disappointed many people the most, wasted potential.

 

[Red Mask]

Check it out, check it out!

Legendary Pictures is has truly left the building. They produced many DC films, but now they're in bed with Universal!

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/warner-bros-sets-ratpac-dune-co-finance-slates-195914075.html

Who's your daddy?

 

[regwec]

The article you link to is not about that: it tells us that WB has found a new source of finance to replace Legendary.

Legendary's move was announced on that site on July 9th.

 

[Red Mask]

The article you link to is not about that: it tells us that WB has found a new source of finance to replace Legendary.

Legendary's move was announced on that site on July 9th.

I wanted to remind everybody that they're officially gone. From now on, don't expect the quality of future DC films to be the same as before.

 

[Victarion]

Knowing nothing about the DCU, I think their "big" film, their Avengers, should center around Trigon and have a horror theme to it. That would be an excellent way of setting the DC film universe apart from Marvel's.

 

[regwec]

I wanted to remind everybody that they're officially gone. From now on, don't expect the quality of future DC films to be the same as before.

Why would a change in co-financing structure lead to that result?

What exactly do you think WB does?

 

[Red Mask]

Why would a change in co-financing structure lead to that result?

What exactly do you think WB does?

They're the producers and distributors. But they're not the creative team. That's what studios like Legendary did.

 

[roach]

They're the producers and distributors. But they're not the creative team. That's what studios like Legendary did.

Legendary just gave them money...they had no creative input on MOS.

 

[Mikelus]

They're the producers and distributors. But they're not the creative team. That's what studios like Legendary did.

Warner doesn't need them to produce good films, Legendary has also co-produced plenty of crappy movies like:

- Lady in the Water
- 10,000 BC
- Ninja Assassin
- Clash of the Titans
- Wrath of the Titans
- Jonah Hex
- Jack the Giant Slayer
(among others)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendary_Pictures

As long as WB keeps a serious, realistic tone (like TDKT and MOS), they should be fine.

 

[super85]

I really don't get Red Mask comments about Legendary affecting the quality . Legendary provided money, its not like they directed the films for guys like Nolan or Snyder.

 

[regwec]

Yes, he appears to be confused- and not to have read the article to which he linked.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

DC are getting it right and better than Marvel on TV and Animation.

In the movies they've got a good amount of good to great movies, easily on par with Fox/Sony/Marvel in that regard.

However DC needs to branch out to heroes other than the same two, Marvel are destroying DC in that regard

 

[mclay18]

After seeing Gravity, I'm surprised WB has not been aggressively pursuing Alfonso Cuaron to do a DC Comics film. Such a unique and imaginative storyteller.

He's played in franchise ground before, with Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, so he can do a sequel, team-up or an origins film. He's got the chops.

Maybe he's not interested. *sigh* Imagine the kind of Wonder Woman or Green Lantern film he'd do...

 

[Docker2.0]

dc are getting it right and better than marvel on tv and animation.

In the movies they've got a good amount of good to great movies, easily on par with fox/sony/marvel in that regard.

However dc needs to branch out to heroes other than the same two, marvel are destroying dc in that regard

lol!!!

 

[roach]

After seeing Gravity, I'm surprised WB has not been aggressively pursuing Alfonso Cuaron to do a DC Comics film. Such a unique and imaginative storyteller.

He's played in franchise ground before, with Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, so he can do a sequel, team-up or an origins film. He's got the chops.

Maybe he's not interested. *sigh* Imagine the kind of Wonder Woman or Green Lantern film he'd do...

How do you know they aren't?

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Plus, the guy makes a movie like every 6 years. It's gonna take some heavy convincing.

 

[jmc]

After seeing Gravity, I'm surprised WB has not been aggressively pursuing Alfonso Cuaron to do a DC Comics film. Such a unique and imaginative storyteller.

He's played in franchise ground before, with Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, so he can do a sequel, team-up or an origins film. He's got the chops.

Maybe he's not interested. *sigh* Imagine the kind of Wonder Woman or Green Lantern film he'd do...

I've long championed Cuaron for any superhero film. That said, something tells me he's not the type of director who would go for a superhero film.

 

[Ultimatehero]

To clear something up, granted I just skimmed and might have reached the wrong conclusions on what was being said, BOTH Legendary and Warners had input creatively. The difficulty with other films is its incredibly hard for a company and WB to reach an agreement on things. It is this lack of agreement that causes these projects to start and restart numerously. As to creative input, the creative team gets two types of notes - notes from the company and notes from the studio which both deal with creative matters. Also some of the things from them wound up being some of your favorite moments. A good executive is just as creative as the writer and director just with a different focus. The studio finances a company's film if it is under their umbrella of companies. The company is mainly a creative arm of a studio that makes and develops the projects greenlit by the studio. I know people hate it when I bring this up, but know this from seeing company AND studio notes back-and-forth on a major DC character and asking the VP about it. This is the main complication - too many often butting heads in the kitchen from the start.

 

[mclay18]

How do you know they aren't?

I think they are, but I think they're either offering him the wrong character(s) or not giving him more creative leeway. That's my opinion.

I mean, WB and Heyman were able to get him to do a HP film... and it's one of the best in the series.

Plus, the guy makes a movie like every 6 years. It's gonna take some heavy convincing.

Cuaron and WB could easily make a two-picture deal. Something similar to Michael Bay's deal at Paramount, where he can do his passion project in exchange for doing a franchise film afterwards.

And with the terrific buzz on Gravity, Cuaron's clout is growing. He can easily get that done if there was a DC character he wanted to do on-screen.