Why I like the Avengers

[gildea]

Ironic that Disassembled started specifically because of a perceived slight that didn't exist except in Wanda's head, isn't it?

Um not really, it's completely different.

Wanda was pissed because she couldn't have kids and jan actually said something about it.
Difference being (well the important one of many) jan actually did make a slight, nothing percieved about it.

Here we just have people going on about "disrespect" and putting their perceptions into continuity.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

As someone mentioned, Ms. Marvel felt slighted in the comic about not being invited to rejoin. Nothing perceived about that, either.

When and why did this happen?

Captain America Annual #8. Wolverine and Cap fight for like 3 panels, then team up when they realize they're both trying to accomplish the same thing. A guy falls and Cap orders Wolverine to catch him. Wolverine says he'll catch him and pops his claws under the guy, but turns away at the last second, leaving the guy to fall. Cap says the quote I posted and Wolverine replies with something like, "The fall didn't kill him. I could have, but I didn't. What more do you want from me?"

Plus, over the course of the mission they just generally didn't get along too well because Wolveirne's much more savage than Cap appreciates.

 

[gildea]

As someone mentioned, Ms. Marvel felt slighted in the comic about not being invited to rejoin. Nothing perceived about that, either.

That's her perecption though, not cap disrespecting her (as was the original point).

Even then from the writing (and that she didn't join when offered) it seemed like a witticism for witticism sake. Plus as falcon pointed out SHE left the avengers not the other way about. Anyway later in the same issue she refers to herself as an avenger so she obviously still considers herself one just not active.

So still a percieved slight (at least this does have the added bonus of being in continuity) which going on later stories doesn't seem to have any weight.

 

[rjb182]

I think the thing is, in the case of most former Avengers, it's not even a question that needs to be asked.

If Hank or Janet or even She-Hulk were to show up at the Avengers' tower, does anybody think they wouldn't be welcomed with open arms? Cap would probably throw a parade at this point. But he has good reason to believe they're not interested.

Sure, maybe he could drop them a line out of respect, but

a) that could have easily happened off-panel and resulted in no change, and

b) as Iron Man repeatedly says to Namor at one point, "It just happened yesterday." Of course, it's longer ago than yesterday now, but the group's still fairly new. They haven't even fully trained these members as a team yet, much less considered who else to ask...

 

[spiderwasp]

If Hank or Janet or even She-Hulk were to show up at the Avengers' tower, does anybody think they wouldn't be welcomed with open arms? Cap would probably throw a parade at this point. But he has good reason to believe they're not interested.

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Actually, if you look back at Avenger: Finale, Ironman says "I've taken the liberty of starting the proper paperwork with the city of New York"..."I know some of you don't agree with this idea. But it's my property...and right now this is what I need to do with it." With this he pulled the plug on the housing and other financing needed to continue the team. How is it that so many people now seem to recall that the other members of the team quit.
In New Avengers #3, Cap says "A team needs to be in place. Things like this - what happened last night - this is exactly why there needs to be an Avengers. If the old Avengers don't want to, if they can't, then let's try these new ones." - Impeccable logic if the old team had indicated that they wouldn't or couldn't. The only difference was that Tony then said "I can't afford to rebuild the mansion" and Cap suggests "No more salary. No more tech." So, the implication is that the old team wouldn't want to be a part without a salary - another reason I say he was showing them disrespect. Oh, and wouldn't that building they are using and the quinjets be awfully expensive too and count as tech?
Finally, my contention that Cap disrespected the Avengers has been mistranslated into someone making it sound like I think they are all sitting around moping and feeling sorry for themselves. I never said that but, whether Falcon discounted her feelings or not, Carol Danvers did express them so they must have been real. Everyone deserves respect if they've earned it and the old Avengers team certainly did.

 

[C. Lee]

I like the Avenger's because they throw good parties.

 

[gildea]

Actually, if you look back at Avenger: Finale, Ironman says "I've taken the liberty of starting the proper paperwork with the city of New York"..."I know some of you don't agree with this idea. But it's my property...and right now this is what I need to do with it." With this he pulled the plug on the housing and other financing needed to continue the team. How is it that so many people now seem to recall that the other members of the team quit.

Because you said that was why the avengers ended. It was one of the reasons sure, but as many important members quit it certainly weakens your ascertation.

So, the implication is that the old team wouldn't want to be a part without a salary - another reason I say he was showing them disrespect. Oh, and wouldn't that building they are using and the quinjets be awfully expensive too and count as tech?

Your stretching beyond the bounds of logic here. Hank and Janet had there plans in place before tonys announcement for example. It would have been difficult without the money sure but not impossible. Cap is making no implication about other team members just that tony has made things difficult.

Finally, my contention that Cap disrespected the Avengers has been mistranslated into someone making it sound like I think they are all sitting around moping and feeling sorry for themselves. I never said that but, whether Falcon discounted her feelings or not, Carol Danvers did express them so they must have been real.

They "must" of been real? Why? Are superheroes suddenly above humorous asides? AS stated later in the issue carol refers to herself as an avenger so obviously still considers herself one and many issues later (in NA) refuses a personal invitation to be come active.

Everyone deserves respect if they've earned it and the old Avengers team certainly did.

Um yeah but noone is saying they don't. All we're discussing is that if cap not phoning the old avengers up constitutes disrespect and if the old avengers are annoyed at this (which isn't your point i accept but it has come up).

 

[3dman27]

I like the Avenger's because they throw good parties.

get 'im wondy
LOLthanks c. lee i needed a chuckle

 

[bkhedr]

now that's a party

 

[Doc Destruction]

I miss the Avengers teams with a roster like that