Why make the ending so weird

[The Joker]

She didn't before, how could she now?

Get the mother to bring her.

Especially with tubes up her nose, which clearly isn't the sign of a healthy future.

She was supposedly "dying" 2 years ago. She's still around now. She's ill. Hence, why he'll make her "healthy again". She's obviously still not dying, otherwise it's the slowest, most prolonged death in history.

At least when he was out he found some way to see her, like climbing through her window or (in a deleted scene) watching her at the playground as a sand castle.

He could get better than that if he surrendered.

And at least he could make some effort to get the money for her health care, which he obviously can't do from behind bars.

He obviously can't do it on the loose, either. He failed to get money from the Uncle Ben incident. Spider-Man thwarted his other attempts to steal cash.

And, that was with super powers.

 

[Abaddon]

She didn't before, how could she now? Especially with tubes up her nose, which clearly isn't the sign of a healthy future.

At least when he was out he found some way to see her, like climbing through her window or (in a deleted scene) watching her at the playground as a sand castle. And at least he could make some effort to get the money for her health care, which he obviously can't do from behind bars.

By some effort, you mean robbing, stealing, and harming anyone who gets in his way?

With that kind of mobility impairing illness, I doubt she can even go outside for a walk.
At least he can sneak in, being of sand, to tuck her in every night.
People wouldn’t be that revenge driven to stall a criminal in a little girl’s bed room…right?

But in any case that’s not the subject at hand. I don’t care how Sandman does it. What matters is that he has the choice to do it. As I said time and time again, his incarceration serves no purpose. He would be just eating away more tax payer money and it’s not like he can cure any injuries he inflicted to others.
There are times when people have to let go and move on, like Spider-Man did in that very scene.

Then maybe we should just let every criminal who has a sob story free, since their incarceration "serves no purpose".


He murdered an innocent man, and he hurt numerous others while trying to help his daughter. There isn't a way for him to undo what he did, so he has to whatever punishment the law inflicts. Being sorry doesn't put you above the law especially when you're willfully hurting people.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Get the mother to bring her.

Riiiight. Suuure she will.
And Flint is in no position to claim parental rights. Heck we don’t even know if he has any left since the first time he went to prison.

She was supposedly "dying" 2 years ago. She's still around now. She's ill. Hence, why he'll make her "healthy again". She's obviously still not dying, otherwise it's the slowest, most prolonged death in history.

It's not about her dying; it's about her being on the verge of dying at any moment.
But even so, I’ve been careful not to make any kind of deductions throughout my posting in this thread. And avoided their relevance altogether. Ultimately the how and the why do not matter.
I was only using my sound judgment based on how they sold the character’s sincerity to me.

Btw, check my other last post in the previous page.
I have a feeling you might’ve missed it.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

By some effort, you mean robbing, stealing, and harming anyone who gets in his way?

That's as far as your one-dimensional imagination goes for a thug?

Then maybe we should just let every criminal who has a sob story free, since their incarceration "serves no purpose".

Sure, why not. But only if they're sincere about being penitent.

He murdered an innocent man, and he hurt numerous others while trying to help his daughter. There isn't a way for him to undo what he did, so he has to whatever punishment the law inflicts. Being sorry doesn't put you above the law especially when you're willfully hurting people.

As far as I've known, other than the purpose of vengeful satisfaction for the pitchfork and torch society, jail has always been a place of realizing your own mistakes. Of course it has always been pretty efficient at the former rather than the later but since Sandman has already done his turning of heart, there's no need for him to be there.

For more information and possible replies to your possible posts, search all my other posts in this thread.

 

[Abaddon]

That's as far as your one-dimensional imagination goes for a thug?

Well since you're imagination is more refined, tell me how else a wanted criminal is going to get money to cure his sick daughter?

Sure, why not. But only if they're sincere about being penitent.

and how would you determine that?

As far as I've known, other than the purpose of vengeful satisfaction for the pitchfork and torch society, jail has always been a place of realizing your own mistakes. Of course it has always been pretty efficient at the former rather than the later but since Sandman has already done his turning of heart, there's no need for him to be there.

So you don't think there's a difference between justice and vengeance?

and how do you know he isn't going to continue making the same mistake? Third time's a charm?

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

I'll let Blader and FNSpidey answer that.
I've already done my own share of repeating myself.

 

[November Rain]

I find it really really really hard to sympathise with those who believe sandy should go through.

I've read three about four pages of this thread earlie and i don't know how much clearer i can be.

Nothing brought up changes the fact sandy is still going to go out and do whatever is necessary to help his daughter, He doesn't want to hurt people BUT he will.

He was sorry, is sorry now and will be sorry in the future, but nothing is going to change his actions.

He's an addict and saving his daughter is his drug.

Yeah I put actions before words everyday of the week, people have to deem themselves worthy of trust, it's earned. The same way you don't pass on all your security details to someone you've just recently met.

Sandman has no worthy actions and his predicament hasn't changed since his first turn to crime. If anything he's gained abilities to further commit crimes.

IT comes down to a split where some are vouching him based on his actions and others based on his words

not only this but some like myself say he should also be held accountable for his past actions (post sandbox but including breaking out of jail).

All this stuff about it being his choice, why can't anyone else have a say considering it affects them.

Let the police choose to let him go free
Let society choose to raise funds for his daughter instead of him stealing
Let spiderman choose to not see him as a menace
Let the prison choose to let him free
Let his daughter/mother choose if they want him to get them money
Let his other victims choose whether he should be forgiven or not

since when did sandman become the boss of everyone else's emotions & decision making

People saying his victims should 'just forgive him' is just as wrong as me saying he should 'go to jail and hand himself in'. We are ultimately making their choices for them from other people's point of views...At least mine is allowing people to express those point of views by allowing them to charge or not charge him if they see fit.

Ultimately it's a meaningless discussion because nothing is resolved except peter is able to let go. Sandman, his daughter, the city, the police are all left in limbo purely because parker couldn't be arsed.

Now do you feel that parker as guardian of the city behaved responsibly or selfishly through that conversation. Note, this is a man whose whole lifestlye is based on wielding his great power responsibly and acting on the best interest of (the majority/all) the people of new york?

choice is all good and dandy, look at al gore, it's his choice to ***** about global warming but it's also his choice to have a $30,000 electricity bill. It doesn't however mean he has acted responsibly based on his campaign/life ethos. Thats exactly the same as judging a man by his actions rather than his words.

That's why i feel actions speak louder than words and why handing one's self in is the ultimate action from sandman.

meh

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Spiderman letting Sandman go is unfortunately one of the poorer parts of the movie, along with Spiderman forgiving him.

At the end of the day, no matter what Sandman's predicament with his daughter, that doesnt give him the right to put other people in mortal danger just so his daughter can live. He is essentially trading other people's lives for his daughters, which in my eyes he has no right to no matter how sick his daughter is. Sandman isnt God, and so shouldnt act like he is.

I have sympathy for him, but for me he still deserves to go to jail for a long time.

 

[Blader5489]

Get the mother to bring her.

She hadn't before, why would she now? You said it yourself, the mother threw Marko out of the house. Hell, she even said "You're not getting anywhere near her."

She was supposedly "dying" 2 years ago. She's still around now. She's ill. Hence, why he'll make her "healthy again". She's obviously still not dying, otherwise it's the slowest, most prolonged death in history.

She has tubes in her nose, she obviously isn't in any good condition.

He could get better than that if he surrendered.

He didn't get to see her, didn't even get to talk to her (as evident by all those letters that had piled up), while he was in jail. If he was put in an "air tight cell" he wouldn't see her ever.

He obviously can't do it on the loose, either. He failed to get money from the Uncle Ben incident. Spider-Man thwarted his other attempts to steal cash.

And, that was with super powers.

Which is, obviously, the reason why he even agreed to help Venom at all. That's not really the point though. My point was that if Marko is behind bars, he can't see or talk to his daughter and can't do anything to help her. At least when he's out and about, he can try to see his daughter and try to help her in some way. However slim those possibilities may be, they are at least possibilities, which Marko wouldn't have in if he was in prison.