Wolverine and The X-Men is renewed!!!

[TheVileOne]

All I know is Greg Johnson was interviewed by the hosts of the Beyond Evolution website at Toonzone.net and claimed he would have liked to focus a little more on the character, but needed another season. Considering that, one could almost be surprised he was so quick to ditch the metal man given another 26 episodes and an X-Men show with less demands for "teenage stuff" as Evolution had from Kid's WB.

Dread, sometimes you become like a broken record with these points. We know what was said, and I think you need to let it go. I think many would agree that we all have awesome man-love for Colossus and we want lots more Colossus in animation and Colossus gets the short end of the stick in animation. We get it. You should tell them that at SDCC next year. The thing is, this is NOT X-men Evolution, you should know that by now. So you seem to have this idea that they have an obligation to fans and Colossus to follow the intentions and promise of more Colossus in the undone year 5 of X-men Evolution. But the thing, is this isn't Evolution so they aren't following that storyline.

In a way that may be true. But Beast isn't nearly as strong. At most in most shows, he breaks a sweat trying to lift a small car. Colossus can chuck tanks like nothing.

OK, but my point was for the creators they might've felt that for their story since Colossus is so strong and so powerful they might've felt he was too powerful for some of the stories they wanted to tell. However, that's just an idea. It could be something else entirely where they wrote him out for a specific reason, and hopefully bring him back in the fold later. That said if we never see Colossus again kicking booty for the rest of the run of this show, I will like you be severely disappointed.

But, as I have said, in a sad way is isn't surprising that he got punted for another X-Men cartoon. It is par for the course.

It's too premature to say punted if they are getting renewed to 26 episodes.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. It is POSSIBLE that outcome could be done with Colossus. But I don't see it as terribly likely without some more proof that is a direction we are going. Flash at least had being "the comic relief" going for him, which made having him go against type when it really counted effective. Again, writers struggle with Colossus because they see him as a stock, "nice guy". But there are ways to play with that. Plus, it would be nice one of these days to have Colossus say more than 4 lines to Kitty on screen somewhere.

 

[Blade X]

This is great news.

Hopefully they will change the title of this show from WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN to UNCANNY X-MEN or ASTONISHING X-MEN, and take the focus off Wolverine and put it on the whole team. I also hope that Cyclops will be made the leader again.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I don't know if it's good or bad since I haven't seen one ****ing episode!

 

[TheVileOne]

It's just a couple more months, patience.

Nicktoons, air the first three episodes as a special darnit!

 

[Dread]

Toonzone's Marvel Cartoon news site, Marvel Age, reports that NickToons is expected to pick up the second season of WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN after they are completed, as they are airing the first season in Jan. 2009. No details about Season 2 were mentioned, although for those who don't mind spoilers, full episode synopsis are up on Wikipedia that hint at the direction for Season 2.

For historical purposes, this is only the second Marvel cartoon to be renewed for a second season in some 5 years; SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN has a second season due up, but it only has 13 episodes a season, vs. the 26 episode order per season for W&TXM. Both of the last Marvel cartoons, MTV SPIDER-MAN and FANTASTIC FOUR: WGH only lasted one season. X-MEN EVOLUTION was the last Marvel show to make it beyond one season until now, with 4 seasons and a 52 episode count. WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN will reach 52 episodes by the end of Season 2. Just like 2k3 TMNT did.

Obviously, this proves that the X-Men are still a popular and profitable franchise, as these things have been set in motion despite the fact that the WOLVERINE movie is still many months away and the cartoon has only aired in Canada and Latin America currently. From a financial standpoint, focusing the crux of the show around the most well known character (whether at the expense of the rest is debatable) has clearly proven to be successful.

Of course, Kid's WB ordered a full order of 52 episodes very soon after the first season started in 2000. Hopefully this show won't be mired by corporate wrangling and will see decent DVD release afterwards.

I do a lot of griping about the show but right now it stands as fair to say that it isn't a bad show at all. There have been mediocre episodes, and episodes where potential has not been maximized. As a viewer, that is annoying, especially when you have a show like SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN that appeared to hit home runs & grand slams every week. But for the typical show, a first season that has some mediocre or underwhelming episodes is typical; FF: WGH turned out to be a fun show, but it was hardly in it's prime by episode 8-9.

At the very least, no episode has been as bad as some of the drek from THE BATMAN or Bruce Timm's worst effort, "Critters" (which, according to the commentary for SUPERMAN: DOOMSDAY, Timm is hardly apologetic for). For fans who hated the teenage soap of Evolution, this is probably the show they've been waiting a decade for. If SS-M was scoring home run's and grand slams right out of the gate in it's rookie episodes, so far I would say W&TXM, to continue the baseball analogy, has landed some bunts, a walk, and a base hit or two. Which is better than, say, THE BATMAN season one, which was scoring nothing but strike-outs until the season finale.

 

[TheVileOne]

Avengers being a success to make the trifecta.

It's just nice to see one of the best resurgences of Marvel Animation since the early and mid-90's.

I think Nickelodeon should position this show basically as their new Avatar. Avatar was another series that had longer seasons and was built heavily on season long story arcs and a serialized format.

And now that it looks like they are going forward with another season, and it will probably have a home on Nick Toons, that's a 52 episode series right now. Most animated shows don't even go half that amount. So they can heavily brand a station with a show like this and use it as a flag bearer of just about any programming block. And plus it will be good to position it opposite Iron Man.

 

[Dread]

Yes, a good AVENGERS: EMH show would make a nice trifecta. X-Men, Spider-Man, & Avengers on TV.

It appears WB's stranglehold on TV is starting to contract and Marvel is capitilizing on some movie success, something WB can't do for anything but Batman (which can only take them so far). DC still does better animated DTV's, though, and hopefully Marvel can recover in that area as well.

 

[TheVileOne]

Eh up for debate. I don't think the direct to DVD's were that great.

Superman/Doomsday had a lot of issues.

I honestly prefer an ongoing animated series format than OVA's.

 

[Dread]

I do, too. But it looks like we are getting both right now from both Marvel & DC. While WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN and SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN air on TV (and plan/finish a second season) and with AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTEST HEROES in pre-production, Marvel/LG will be releasing HULK VS. (which looks great) as well as planning/releasing PLANET HULK and a THOR DTV.

On the DC side, SUPERMAN: DOOMSDAY was a bit of Timm rehashing stuff he already did in S:TAS and JLU, but it still was a fun actioner with mature themes & language. I don't think any Marvel DTV has even uttered the word "damn" yet; they're only PG-13 due to gore. S: D outright alluded to Lois & Kal sleeping together.

Then there was JL: NEW FRONTIER, which was so good that it's only flaw was being far too short.

BATMAN: GOTHAM KNIGHTS was a bit overrated, but it had it's moments.

Whereas the Marvel/LG DTV's peaked with ULTIMATE AVENGERS (although I actually liked DOCTOR STRANGE).

But, I do agree that getting a series right is more important than a DTV, as it reaches a wider audience and has more time to develop more characters.

 

[javphonic]

I'm ecstatic about this.

However, it still feels like there are hurtles in front of it. Shows have been dissolved in the pre-production stages before. Look no further than The Hulk: Gamma Corp.

Since the show is so great, I hope we see lots more 26 episode seasons. For an action/adventure super hero show to get 1 26 episode season, and then a second consecutive one is pretty spectacular. I don't think that's happened for a long time.

I also wonder if any major changes will be made in the second season. Like, will it still be called Wolverine And The X-men?

I was thinking the same, especially about the title, plus I wonder if the second season will be delivered to the US later like they're doing with S1

 

[usagicassidy]

Well they necessarily wouldn't have any reason to hold out on it - right now they're doing it to coincide with and hype up the Wolverine movie. Once season 2 was actually produced - they still have to script, animate, voice, and edit 26 episodes - I'd imagine we'd see it pretty shortly after.

 

[Dread]

I don't see why changing the title for Season 2 would be needed. I mean, will Wolverine suddenly not be the leader or star focus for most of the show? I don't seem them doing that, especially as this model has proven successful. Being renewed before a debut episode on domestic TV is a successful sign.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well that might depend on the overall reception of the series and the Wolverine movie as well, not that I expect either to bomb or anything.

But shows, animated and animated super hero/comic shows have altered their titles and formats during their runs as well.

 

[javphonic]

I don't see why changing the title for Season 2 would be needed. I mean, will Wolverine suddenly not be the leader or star focus for most of the show? I don't seem them doing that, especially as this model has proven successful. Being renewed before a debut episode on domestic TV is a successful sign.

IMO, I don't think Wolverine will remain the leader, especially given his nature, plus what'll hapeen if he alters the future by the end of season 1 and Xavier returns to head the institute? and Jean's return'll most definetly see a chane in Cyclops,

...plus just because this format is succesful doesn't mean it won't get old, the focus on the team could refresh the series, as there are many characters to highlight on, plus if another origin movie is made, I think they'd want to focus on the character to promote the film, much like they're doing with Wolverine now

 

[Dread]

Well that might depend on the overall reception of the series and the Wolverine movie as well, not that I expect either to bomb or anything.

But shows, animated and animated super hero/comic shows have altered their titles and formats during their runs as well.

I know they have; BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES became THE NEW ADVENTURES OF BATMAN AND ROBIN and, when it changed networks, BATMAN: THE NEW GOTHAM ADVENTURES. And, of course, JUSTICE LEAGUE into JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED.

On the Marvel side, this only happened once; THE INCREDIBLE HULK became THE INCREDIBLE HULK AND SHE-HULK in it's second and crappier season on UPN.

I sincerely doubt that WOLVERINE will bomb, especially as the studio seems to see this as X-MEN 4 by including other mutants like Gambit who have nothing to do with Logan. X-MEN 3 had no end of bad plots and awkward sequences and it was the highest grossing X-Men film of the trilogy. So long as Jackman gives his usual solid performance as Wolverine and there is enough action, it should clear over $300 million domestic easy.

If it does, though, Jackman's movie career may be on the ropes. Every film he has starred in that wasn't an X-MEN movie bombed (kind of like Halle Berry, who didn't learn much from getting an Oscar for SUPPORTING actress). He's had a better career on Broadway.

IMO, I don't think Wolverine will remain the leader, especially given his nature, plus what'll hapeen if he alters the future by the end of season 1 and Xavier returns to head the institute? and Jean's return'll most definetly see a chane in Cyclops,

...plus just because this format is succesful doesn't mean it won't get old, the focus on the team could refresh the series, as there are many characters to highlight on, plus if another origin movie is made, I think they'd want to focus on the character to promote the film, much like they're doing with Wolverine now

I don't see the WOLVERINE movie bombing and I don't see why the producers would want to change the title and format of a show that, objectively speaking, is successful. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" logic comes in.

I mean, sure, I wouldn't mind Wolverine taking a rest from being leader and Season 2 being more focused on the rest of the X-Men, but that's just my opinion, not the market reality. The market reality is that Wolverine is the star character of the X-Men and this show treats him as that, and at least overseas has been a hit.

 

[javphonic]

I know they have; BATMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES became THE NEW ADVENTURES OF BATMAN AND ROBIN and, when it changed networks, BATMAN: THE NEW GOTHAM ADVENTURES. And, of course, JUSTICE LEAGUE into JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED.

On the Marvel side, this only happened once; THE INCREDIBLE HULK became THE INCREDIBLE HULK AND SHE-HULK in it's second and crappier season on UPN.

I sincerely doubt that WOLVERINE will bomb, especially as the studio seems to see this as X-MEN 4 by including other mutants like Gambit who have nothing to do with Logan. X-MEN 3 had no end of bad plots and awkward sequences and it was the highest grossing X-Men film of the trilogy. So long as Jackman gives his usual solid performance as Wolverine and there is enough action, it should clear over $300 million domestic easy.

If it does, though, Jackman's movie career may be on the ropes. Every film he has starred in that wasn't an X-MEN movie bombed (kind of like Halle Berry, who didn't learn much from getting an Oscar for SUPPORTING actress). He's had a better career on Broadway.



I don't see the WOLVERINE movie bombing and I don't see why the producers would want to change the title and format of a show that, objectively speaking, is successful. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" logic comes in.

I mean, sure, I wouldn't mind Wolverine taking a rest from being leader and Season 2 being more focused on the rest of the X-Men, but that's just my opinion, not the market reality. The market reality is that Wolverine is the star character of the X-Men and this show treats him as that, and at least overseas has been a hit.

I don't think XMO:Wolverine is going to bomb either... I'm just saying that what's going to happen when they make XMO:Gambit for ex. they're going to want to promote Gambit through the series, so it makes sense to just go with a name that's inclusive of everyone, yet still focus the show on the characters they want to promote at the time

 

[Dread]

I don't think XMO:Wolverine is going to bomb either... I'm just saying that what's going to happen when they make XMO:Gambit for ex. they're going to want to promote Gambit through the series, so it makes sense to just go with a name that's inclusive of everyone, yet still focus the show on the characters they want to promote at the time

I doubt, however, that any solo X-Men besides Wolverine will carry a financially successful movie (that isn't a direct-to-video). Why? Because few X-Men have sustained a solo comic book series besides Wolverine, and that is among a smaller market where the X-Men are more well known than in the mainstream media. To the average person, the X-Men are simply "that team that Wolverine is on". A Gambit movie might have done okay in the mid-late 90's, but he's hardly as popular as he used to be.

TheVileOne would probably note that for a show named WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, they have been willing to have episodes that exclusively star Nightcrawler or Professor X in which the title hero barely gets in a cameo. Some could argue it already is inclusive without a title change. A cynic could claim that plastering Wolverine in the title and as the focus is an easy way to get viewers to pay attention to the other characters, just as in 1982, no one would have bothered watching a show with Iceman and Firestar on it without Spider-Man being the star.

I'll believe it when I see it with WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN getting a title change and refocus in Season 2. I just don't see the need because, objectively, the track they're on for Season 1 is working. Note that JUSTICE LEAGUE maintained the format of "7 heroes, 2 part episodes" for two entire seasons before CN made them shift to JLU.

As for the broader issue, whether the X-Men are characters unto themselves rather than simply acting as Wolverine's supporting cast...honestly, the jury is still out. While some side-characters have gotten exlcusive focus episodes, the focus is more on narrative than characterization. In contrast, X-MEN EVOLUTION was often a show where the character interaction usually held up and enhanced what were usually basic and even dull plots. WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN often has dramatic, complicated plots and story-arcs. Characterization happens, but it won't overcome the episode need to, say, have a fight against robots or something.

The only two X-Men who have shown up consistantly who've gotten to feel distinct are Emma Frost and Beast, and maybe Professor X (Nightcrawler had a great episode, but still only one episode). The rest are just there for the ride, providing a simple schtick. Forge is the wimpy/funny tech dude, Iceman the upbeat hero, Kitty Pryde the spunky girl, Cyclops the sullen, quiet tool, etc. Even Wolverine to a degree has shifted to type as a "gritty commander" type, which was hardly original by the time G.I. JOE was around. To be fair, while Cyclops in the majority of X-Men animation has been shown as a leader, he was never "gritty".

 

[TheVileOne]

TheVileOne would probably note that for a show named WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, they have been willing to have episodes that exclusively star Nightcrawler or Professor X in which the title hero barely gets in a cameo. Some could argue it already is inclusive without a title change. A cynic could claim that plastering Wolverine in the title and as the focus is an easy way to get viewers to pay attention to the other characters, just as in 1982, no one would have bothered watching a show with Iceman and Firestar on it without Spider-Man being the star.

I feel I have noted it by being open to a possible title format/change to the series.

However, I would note how you've critiqued the show for making Wolverine grand-daddy X-men and what not and how it's made Wolverine the most likable, sympathetic, coolest character . And yes, I get that you address this later.

What's funny is, I think Wolverine was only seen but not heard in the X-men episode of Spider-man & His Amazing Friends. The first time I believe Wolverine spoke in a motion picture was Pryde of the X-men. G'day Aussie Wolvie.

I'll believe it when I see it with WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN getting a title change and refocus in Season 2. I just don't see the need because, objectively, the track they're on for Season 1 is working. Note that JUSTICE LEAGUE maintained the format of "7 heroes, 2 part episodes" for two entire seasons before CN made them shift to JLU.

I don't think it's arbitrary. But I do think the whole Wolverine issue could be addressed, that being why it's got to be him as the leader, and when the time comes the characters need to ask or Wolverine could even ask if its still his time to be the leader.

As for the broader issue, whether the X-Men are characters unto themselves rather than simply acting as Wolverine's supporting cast...honestly, the jury is still out. While some side-characters have gotten exlcusive focus episodes, the focus is more on narrative than characterization. In contrast, X-MEN EVOLUTION was often a show where the character interaction usually held up and enhanced what were usually basic and even dull plots. WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN often has dramatic, complicated plots and story-arcs. Characterization happens, but it won't overcome the episode need to, say, have a fight against robots or something.

The only two X-Men who have shown up consistantly who've gotten to feel distinct are Emma Frost and Beast, and maybe Professor X (Nightcrawler had a great episode, but still only one episode). The rest are just there for the ride, providing a simple schtick. Forge is the wimpy/funny tech dude, Iceman the upbeat hero, Kitty Pryde the spunky girl, Cyclops the sullen, quiet tool, etc. Even Wolverine to a degree has shifted to type as a "gritty commander" type, which was hardly original by the time G.I. JOE was around. To be fair, while Cyclops in the majority of X-Men animation has been shown as a leader, he was never "gritty".

Rogue I'd say has a strong, distinct characterization in the series. Iceman besides being upbeat we got a look at his family life, and he feels he belongs with the X-men more then them. Also Storm, even had her moments in her episode. In her life as a Goddess, she seemed almost upset with having to accept offers from the people. Not that she hates being worshipped, but since Ororo is a nice, good, genuine person, I don't think she likes to see herself as above regular people and having them give offerings to her that she might think they should keep for themselves.

You also forgot about Angel who played a significant role in the pilot. Angel opted not to join the X-men, but still helps them by funding their operation. He's worried about exposing himself and losing daddy's money that he uses to help other mutants.

 

[Dread]

What's funny is, I think Wolverine was only seen but not heard in the X-men episode of Spider-man & His Amazing Friends. The first time I believe Wolverine spoke in a motion picture was Pryde of the X-men. G'day Aussie Wolvie.

Incorrect. Wolverine had a speaking role in "A Firestar is Born", during the second season of SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS in 1983. He had an Australian accent there, too, and was introduced as a "new member" of the team (alongside Storm) when Iceman & Firestar came for a visit. However, he suffered a laughable defeat by Juggernaut when he was thrown into a wall claw first and moaned, "I-I'm STUCK!"

Neil Ross was credited as Wolverine in that episode.

Rogue I'd say has a strong, distinct characterization in the series. Iceman besides being upbeat we got a look at his family life, and he feels he belongs with the X-men more then them. Also Storm, even had her moments in her episode. In her life as a Goddess, she seemed almost upset with having to accept offers from the people. Not that she hates being worshipped, but since Ororo is a nice, good, genuine person, I don't think she likes to see herself as above regular people and having them give offerings to her that she might think they should keep for themselves.

You also forgot about Angel who played a significant role in the pilot. Angel opted not to join the X-men, but still helps them by funding their operation. He's worried about exposing himself and losing daddy's money that he uses to help other mutants.

I still think Beast and Frost have been fleshed out a heck of a lot more than Rogue has. Ororo's episode in W&TXM was basically a better version of "Whatever it Takes" from the 90's but, again, Frost practically stole the show there.

You have a point about Angel, though. He's gotten more focus than I expected. Granted, X-Men Evolution, IMO, provided one of the coolest versions of Angel ever, so it isn't surprising they would revisit the character when given half a chance.

Iceman really didn't get much fleshing, but at least he's on the core roster from the start. Considering he was a founding X-Man, it was about due.

 

[javphonic]

I seriously doubt Wolverine is the only bankable X-Men character, if another was marketed properly, and enough hype and a good story surrounded the character I could see it being a success, and I still think WaTXM is a good series, but seriously doubt the series will always be focused on him as the team leader, I mean the 90's cartoon and even evo were succesful to an extent without Wolverine leading the team and more than often being the centerpiece... the distinctio of his name is just to boost the upcoming movie and that's probably why they're waiting to release the series in the US, closer to when the movie will debut...

and it's for that reason and previously mentioned reasons I think and voive my opinion on why I think it'd be a good idea to change the name in later seasons, which'll either air when another XMO movie is going to be released

 

[The Overlord]

It wasn't spoken to me, but, yeah, I agree this was the right move. There is more interest in Avengers right now than Hulk solo. Besides, Hulk at least can show up in Avengers as a character casual viewers already recognize.



All I know is Greg Johnson was interviewed by the hosts of the Beyond Evolution website at Toonzone.net and claimed he would have liked to focus a little more on the character, but needed another season. Considering that, one could almost be surprised he was so quick to ditch the metal man given another 26 episodes and an X-Men show with less demands for "teenage stuff" as Evolution had from Kid's WB.



In a way that may be true. But Beast isn't nearly as strong. At most in most shows, he breaks a sweat trying to lift a small car. Colossus can chuck tanks like nothing.

You reap what you sow. Iceman hadn't been terribly popular for years, and then when the movies decided to introduce mass audiences to him, he started to make a resurgence. Gambit and Jubilee were incredibly new characters when the X-MEN cartoon debuted in 1992-1993, and that helped launch Gambit to A-List status during the 90's.

But, as I have said, in a sad way is isn't surprising that he got punted for another X-Men cartoon. It is par for the course.



Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. It is POSSIBLE that outcome could be done with Colossus. But I don't see it as terribly likely without some more proof that is a direction we are going. Flash at least had being "the comic relief" going for him, which made having him go against type when it really counted effective. Again, writers struggle with Colossus because they see him as a stock, "nice guy". But there are ways to play with that. Plus, it would be nice one of these days to have Colossus say more than 4 lines to Kitty on screen somewhere.

Patience is a virtue that is exploited by those without nerve. Sometimes you have to get off your duff and DO IT.



Yes, it was.

It is interesting that Colossus is on promotional material yet not in much of the show. It reminds me, and you'll hate the example, of Captain America being included in the intro, commercials, and promotional artwork for AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND in 1999 despite only appearing in a single episode. Why is Colossus in the promo material? Easy; he has a distinct design and a lot of people know who he is. Now, why can't they translate that into actually writing him in the show, considering the talent involved, is mind-boggling.

Dread I think the problem is with Colossus is simple, he is character that was created during the cold war and is kinda a character of that era. like Crimson Dynamo. Her was created to say "hey look, not Russians are bad guys", but since we really don't care about that stuff anymore, the character has kinda suffered and sometimes go by the wayside.

 

[Dread]

Dread I think the problem is with Colossus is simple, he is character that was created during the cold war and is kinda a character of that era. like Crimson Dynamo. Her was created to say "hey look, not Russians are bad guys", but since we really don't care about that stuff anymore, the character has kinda suffered and sometimes go by the wayside.

We were already discussing whether or not the show would change the title in Season 2 and not Colossus anymore, but whatever.

Frankly, this "problem" you cite I consider an excuse for a lack of imagination. Proof? Virtually the entire stable of Marvel characters during the 60's were made in the shadow of the Cold War and later would have to be adjusted. Reed Richards originally led his friends into space to beat the Commies there, recall. Iron Man was mired in the Cold War and while some of his villains are stuck there, Iron Man himself has evolved, been readjusted, and so on to work in the modern era.

Being unable to write a Colossus story without resorting to outdated Soviet cliches is just shorthand.

I think the real reason Colossus is ignored because he is an otherwise moral, nice, "stiff" type in a franchise that worships characters like Wolverine, Emma Frost, or Gambit, who are anti-heroes. Not even Cyclops can get any play without being a dick. Colossus is a guy who was given good values on a farm by his parents and wanted to use his powers to do some good in the world, and who has had life offer one challenge after the other, but still he often goes on. He expresses himself via an art. That isn't a whole lot different than Superman, and you don't have people ignoring him because "he was made during the Depression as a power fantasy for the oppressed". The point that is missed was that Colossus was a good foil for being that "aw shucks" type who was often overwhelmed at what he was forced to face, the challenges and the evils he had to. He contrasted with some of his more cynical, or outgoing teammates. He was the strictly moral one even when some of his allies were shifting darker; when he had to kill Proteus or Riptide, these were major things. He works well in an ensemble cast. As a solo hero? No, not really. But once upon a time, team characters wouldn't be considered worthless if they couldn't sustain a solo without their teammates.

Nearly every character at one point was a product of their time. But many of those characters, with proper focus and writing, have evolved past that. If Colossus has been unable to do so, it is the fault of various generations of writers, at least since the 90's.

Some writers have tried to flex this a little; he joined the Acolytes after Illyana was killed and once nearly beat Pete Wisdom to death in a jealous rage over Kitty, but on the whole not a lot has been done with him since the end of the 80's. Even Joss Whedon couldn't find much to do with him.

 

[TheVileOne]

Colossus schtupped an underage minor. He's not exactly a 100% moral character. Plus he took a job for Magneto on Asteroid M.

I don't think Colossus is a dated character because creators always still want to use him these days.

 

[Dread]

Colossus schtupped an underage minor. He's not exactly a 100% moral character. Plus he took a job for Magneto on Asteroid M.

I don't think Colossus is a dated character because creators always still want to use him these days.

Colossus turned Kitty down when she wanted to have intercourse several times, even at the brink of certain death by Brood, due to her being underage (he was 19, she was 14). He did make out with her, though, and they did admit feelings and casually date. It should be noted that Colossus never slept with her until she was over 18.

He did work for Magneto and did save his life after Avalon blew up, but that was explained as emotional turmoil over Illyana's death. Even after he left the Acolytes, he was still in grief and pummeled Wisdom when he headed to Excalibur and learned he was dating Kitty.

I don't believe he is a dated character either. I do believe, however, that most creators see nothing do him besides a nice design. He spent much of the 90's moping. Now Kitty is dead and he is moping some more. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Writers consider him stiff and boring, so they write him as stiff and boring.

Besides, one could argue abandoning your wife and child the moment your old girlfriend returns, and then making out with your mistress on your widow's grave is much worse. Looking at you, Cyclops.

The irony was that X-MEN EVOLUTION was willing to have Kitty date someone who was at least 2-3 years older than she was, it just wasn't Piotr. It was Avalanche, who was partly inspired by Rictor and completely reworked.

 

[javphonic]

all this I'm hearing about Collossus would make for a very interesting character on the big or little screen, it'd just need the right director behind it, plus with Kitty as a lead in this series it'd be interesting to really depict their romantic interactions for once, even if it's an ongoing yet forbidden crush... see stuff like this is why I feel it should be titled around the X-Men, without any particular mutant in the lead, but WE people obviously have strong feelings against this... IDKY, but again WE