Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

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They really don't utilize the other X-Men to their full potential which means the overall IP isn't as profitable as it should be. People have been pointing this out for years.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I agree, they might go for Proteus/MrSinister for the next one to save money. Phoenix Saga seems expensive! Bryan will surely be replaced by Vaugh but I hope it's Miller (after making Deadpool 2)

what makes you think Vaughn will come back?

Plus kingsmen made even less than first class and the wolverine domesticly

Miller doing X-men almost certinly would mean a reboot.and all darkness
and seriousness will be gone from X-men.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think a real adaption of the Rogue character would be so popular. It's a shame that we haven't gotten that yet.

 

[CaptainCanada]

studios reboot very easily nowadays.

And FOX by now has plenty of evidence that it doesn't work, if they're weighing their options. When Sony decided that the Amazing Spider-Man wasn't working, the only thing they could think of to make a reboot appetizing was the MCU connection, which is a genuinely new selling point (basically, piggybacking on something that's really popular).

 

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But on the flip side, they have also seen the results when others have chased the "cinematic universe" gold. I think both Sony and WB are good enough warning signs that Fox may not directly seek out the same results as Marvel.

Kinberg and Singer have talked about an X-Men/FF cinematic universe at one point.

If FF hadn't bombed I bet Kinberg would of been lobbying Fox to do a crossover movie.

The various spin off films for Deadpool, Gambit, X-Force and New Mutants point towards a wider cinematic universe idea for the X-Men in the future.

I think the main difference is Fox isn't going to spend crazy amounts of money on these spin off films like Sony or WB might do.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's like a Hulk situation I guess, put him solo and he'll still make money, put him in a team setting with characters he can interact with and GOLD!

Talking of the MCU movies though the first THOR movie made more then the first captain America movie, then after the avengers the box office went up but this time THOR 2 made less than captain america: winter soldier but it also has to be remembered capt 2 had much better reviews then thor 2 so did that play a part in it?

 

[Double B]

They really don't utilize the other X-Men to their full potential which means the overall IP isn't as profitable as it should be. People have been pointing this out for years.

Exactly. This is the golden age of comic book movies. If, at this time, we're talking about whether X-Men: a franchise with wall to wall fantastic heroes, villains, iconic plots that could easily sustain movie after movie without burning out or feeling repetitive, needs one star/character to propel itself past $700,000 million, something is amiss.

X-Men is pretty much a mini-Avengers/cinematic universe of its very own.

 

[GuestStar2004]

if this franchise needs wolverine then yeah fox are in trouble because it just means no one cares about anyone but him, i don't think thats the case since the wolverine clearly wasn't banking the bucks at the box office the way it could have, even with 3D technically it probably didn't make much more then Origins

 

[Smilodon]

what makes you think Vaughn will come back?

Plus kingsmen made even less than first class and the wolverine domesticly

Miller doing X-men almost certinly would mean a reboot.and all darkness
and seriousness will be gone from X-men.

Such an absurd line of thinking. I don't even know how you can keep saying this about the franchise or Tim Miller. Not to mention Apocalypse was plenty not dark and nor serious. Violent sure, but was it dark and or serious? Nah.

 

[BeholdMe]

65 million OW, ouch, 25 million less than DoFP and 10 million more than First Class. And next week's drop is gonna be epic, not BvS bad, but still harsh.

Deadline's point about Hugh Jackman is right, you need your draw front and center.

I love your avatar btw but anyway lol, Jackmans scene was pretty cool but I don't think they needed him front and center for the movie to succeed they should have utilized the ones they had moreso instead of only focusing on Magneto. The final battle before Apocalypse jumped in was so fast I only wished it was a bit more to it because those were my fav parts. I think that's were the problem is they don't utilize the characters they have they are mostly background,hence Jubilee and 3/4 of the Horsemen that was my only issues with the film.

I agree, they might go for Proteus/MrSinister for the next one to save money. Phoenix Saga seems expensive! Bryan will surely be replaced by Vaugh but I hope it's Miller (after making Deadpool 2)

I would love to go to the Proteus storyline I'm thinking since they brough back Moira and acknowledged her having a son that is the direction they are planning to go in next film. I do want some one else to take over for Singer and for every character involved to be used properly.

 

[BeholdMe]

They really don't utilize the other X-Men to their full potential which means the overall IP isn't as profitable as it should be. People have been pointing this out for years.

Exactly this ^ characters like Jubilee, Storm, Psylocke shouldn't have been silent henchman or no real role at all. They have these incredible characters they should show them off and use them. Give us some personality with these characters, though Shipp was giving me FACE when she had no lines so I was pleased with that. Only thing is I wanted a bit more involving the other Horsemen the deleted scene involving Storm and Prof X is one that could've helped. Singer is good but with certain characters he just needs help.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Such an absurd line of thinking. I don't even know how you can keep saying this about the franchise or Tim Miller.

Because deadpool was comedy.granted r rated one but still one.and that is
what Miller made.and that seems to be what those advocating him to take over entire franchise apparently want as long as they get colorful costumes.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What does Kingsman have to do with First Class besides sharing the same director?

Kingsman was not based on a popular iconic comic book series and did 414 million worldwide with an R rating. It over performed, it did great.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Because deadpool was comedy.granted r rated one but still one.and that is
what Miller made.and that seems to be what those advocating him to take over entire franchise apparently want as long as they get colorful costumes.

Can you stop being dramatic for a second and actually pay attention to what people are saying. Nobody is saying that they want X-Men movies to be comedies but yeah I would like an aesthetic that is less late 90's/early 2000's. I don't apologize for that. And I absolutely would like for it to be less grounded as well. I think Matthew Vaughn more or less gave me what I wanted, even though he was unfortunately stuck with Singer's aesthetic for the most part.

 

[GuestStar2004]

if you ain't realised marvelrobbins is a bigger fan of Singer then Vaughn, basically.

 

[Smilodon]

Disappointing numbers, but not necessarily numbers that'll make you go into panic mode (unless you're a few select posters here). I think what Fox ultimately needs is to be patient when dealing with these superhero things, especially as they try to expand their cinematic universe. They gotta string together hits and not try and put all their eggs into one basket with the X-Men, so rebooting won't help, that'll just reset the string of hits they had prior to this film (which may come in under compared to DOFP, but not necessarily fail in terms of turning a profit). I think the flagship series does need to stop being retrograde and new creative blood, but not through a reboot of the entire universe.

Wolverine III is probably a lower budget than its predecessor thanks to its R rating, if they go lower budget with everything until they're ready to blow their load with a big team up film, that's fine by me. They need multiple, consecutive hits for their cinematic universe anyhow.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

marvelrobbins always makes his opinions interestingly clear.

 

[Sithborg]

Can you stop being dramatic for a second and actually pay attention to what people are saying. Nobody is saying that they want X-Men movies to be comedies but yeah I would like an aesthetic that is less late 90's/early 2000's. I don't apologize for that. And I absolutely would like for it to be less grounded as well. I think Matthew Vaughn more or less gave me what I wanted, even though he was unfortunately stuck with Singer's aesthetic for the most part.

I will say the final costumes look much better when not in the Danger Room lighting.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Even though I love First Class, I'm unsure on what exactly Vaughn did that was so much better than either DOFP or X2. Or maybe people overrate him because he's the only one other than Singer to make a good X-Men movie.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Can you stop being dramatic for a second and actually pay attention to what people are saying. Nobody is saying that they want X-Men movies to be comedies but yeah I would like an aesthetic that is less late 90's/early 2000's. I don't apologize for that. And I absolutely would like for it to be less grounded as well. I think Matthew Vaughn more or less gave me what I wanted, even though he was unfortunately stuck with Singer's aesthetic for the most part.

Apocalypse transited to colorful outfits,was more comic booky,and di a lot with cyclops and jean and plenty are still bashing it.

seeing non-X-men films from Vaughn prove to me with exception of deadpool he is better suited to MCU films than X-men.Same thing with Joss Whedon.
Miller seems to be based on deadpool In the vaughn and Whedon camp.

 

[Sithborg]

Even though I love First Class, I'm unsure on what exactly Vaughn did that was so much better than either DOFP or X2. Or maybe people overrate him because he's the only one other than Singer to make a good X-Men movie.

Vaughn very much has a style that you can easily tell that it is his film. Singer is a fine director, but he doesn't exactly have a distinctive visual style. Which can be key for these types of films.

 

[Smilodon]

Apocalypse transited to colorful outfits,was more comic booky,and di a lot with cyclops and jean and plenty are still bashing it.

seeing non-X-men films from Vaughn prove to me with exception of deadpool he is better suited to MCU films than X-men.Same thing with Joss Whedon.
Miller seems to be based on deadpool In the vaughn and Whedon camp.

They're bashing it because the costumes either suck or the film isn't good, not because Singer attempted those things. Miller made one film about one character, and you're just going to assume he's going to apply what he did to an incredibly unique character in Deadpool to the other X-Men? That's a ridiculous over generalization. Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that Singer may be out of touch with things and they need someone who can reignite some creativity into the franchise?

Based on their prior filmography, one would never expect the Russos to make something as serious as their Cap films. These people aren't stuck in one gear, they have dexterity.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Even though I love First Class, I'm unsure on what exactly Vaughn did that was so much better than either DOFP or X2. Or maybe people overrate him because he's the only one other than Singer to make a good X-Men movie.

I think vaughns vision doesn't take itself to seriously if you look at kickass and secret service as an example of that

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I know not everyone agrees and that a lot of fans love Singer as director and his X-Men films but the style issue that Sithborg brings up is my overall complaint. I am bored with Singer's non distinctive journeyman style and way of doing things. I was never a fan of it and I feel like a lot of things about the X-Men films are painfully outdated. I'm not asking for a reboot but I would love a different creative team behind the scenes.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Vaughn very much has a style that you can easily tell that it is his film. Singer is a fine director, but he doesn't exactly have a distinctive visual style. Which can be key for these types of films.

Vaughn has a style and I like it but I don't think it stands out that much. And speaking strictly on visual style, First Class is the cheapest looking film in the X-Men franchise(not counting Origins), it almost looks like a TV show.