Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

[def28]

Should marvel be scared then?

That they can hit a billion every year on one film? If X-Men could do that we would not be having this debate. I'm hoping people can tell the difference from making over a billion and making 500m here. Civil War cost 250m, Apocalypse cost about what 180m? So 70m difference in production.

Then we have Deadpool...lets give Fox some credit where it's due. It's just not with X-Men.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Absolutely no one is saying FOX is going to stop making X-Men movies. But the franchise is going to change - the fact that a sequel hasn't been announced is a fairly big sign. My thoughts prior to the release of XM:A was that there was a very good chance the kids were going to be left back in the 80s and the series would go forward with features set in the present day built around Deadpool, X-Force and New Mutants. I'm even more convinced that's the way the studio will go.

I ain't convinced they will abandon that cast at all, there is still stuff left open to explore there and it does not add up to what we got in the DOFP future ending since its a totally different set of characters including favourite quicksilver played by evan peters who will be thrown out so there is a big gaping hole of unknown along with potential unresolved phoenix stuff that will be left unexplored which to ignore that probably won't help the franchise, its like giving up on one set of continuity and saying **** it and then giving up on the next continuity saying ah **** it.

And i don't see Deadpool, X-force and New Mutants carrying this series either, esp with deadpool and X-FORCE both being heavily held up by Deadpool and with new mutants being a totally different beast altogether which would have to make at least 600 mil in order for their to be a point to abandon X-Men for new mutants, and of course you will say throw in OC that will help... Yeeaaah.. no.

Even if worse comes to the worst and they don't make another film with this cast again which i am convinced they will but lets say they don't... they will appear in another movie, whether its X-FORCE or whatever.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That they can hit a billion every year on one film? If X-Men could do that we would not be having this debate. I'm hoping people can tell the difference from making over a billion and making 500m here. Civil War cost 250m, Apocalypse cost about what 180m? So 70m difference in production.

But you said studios don't wanna lose hundreds of millions each movie and technically they are, avengers was the peak and its been going down since

 

[def28]

But you said studios don't wanna lose hundreds of millions each movie and technically they are, avengers was the peak and its been going down since

Apocalypse ain't making them money. What is difficult to understand here?

 

[MadVillainy]

I cant call it. I don't know Fox should do other than make a Deadpool sequel and then X Force if Deadpool is in it.
I don't think bringing back the OC is feasible nor do I think it's a long term solution. And then the FC cast has had mixed success.

Problem is we have heard it all already, its alot of same old talk which usually kills the thread, then someone says something that stands out as positive like the film turning in a profit then certain people come back to whine whine whine about stuff thats already been said just so they can beat the film back down again.

Its pretty much FOX's move now, i don't see a huge change happening personally, nor do i see a big switch to OC to present day happening, no matter what happens now i believe we will see this new cast again whether its their own film or another film.



Should marvel be scared then?

Then what should we talk about. This is the box office thread and we're talking about the box office and how it relates to the future.
Having nothing to say will kill the thread too

 

[GuestStar2004]

Then what should we talk about. This is the box office thread and we're talking about the box office and how it relates to the future.
Having nothing to say will kill the thread too

but when there is something to say you attempt to kill the thread by telling people they are wrong and that the franchise is doomed, what else is there to say>?

 

[MadVillainy]

Who is saying the franchise is doomed. I haven't seen that in a few pages

When someone's comes with that again then I understand certain reactions.

 

[def28]

Who is saying the franchise is doomed. I haven't seen that in a few pages

When someone's comes with that again then I understand certain reactions.

Only a very few X-Men movie fans.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Who is saying the franchise is doomed. I haven't seen that in a few pages

Thats basically the idea of what you are saying, the franchise is in trouble, if that wasn't the idea there wouldn't be a back and forth between you and def28 basically calling people in denial for not jumping on the doom and gloom train.

 

[def28]

So the franchise is fine with the money it's making? Or it is not?

 

[MadVillainy]

Thats basically the idea of what you are saying, the franchise is in trouble, if that wasn't the idea there wouldn't be a back and forth between you and def28 basically calling people in denial for not jumping on the doom and gloom train.

The franchise is in trouble. Anytime there's a mistep a franchise is in trouble. I think they're at a crossroads. Im not saying the franchise is doomed. In trouble doesn't mean that it's doomed. You're being silly

And did I call out people for not being on the doom and gloom train as you put it. I'm saying people trying to twist the facts and saying Apocalypse is fine are in denial. There's nothing doom and gloom about it. It's just looking at the numbers

 

[Zarex]

So the franchise is fine with the money it's making? Or it is not?

FOX may have been ok with the BO performance of XM:A if not for Deadpool's crazy success. Though 'Pool may have been like catching lightning in a bottle, studios tend to respond to unexpected blockbusters by asking for more of that. In a non-Deadpool universe FOX may have followed up XM:A with a grounded (ie cheaper) story and jettisoned high priced stars like Fassy and J Law. But that may no longer be a top priority.

 

[Zant]

So the franchise is fine with the money it's making? Or it is not?

They spent 236 on their x-films this year and made 1.3 billion, so it could be a lot worse.

 

[MadVillainy]

Where are you getting that they spent 236 million?

 

[Zant]

Where are you getting that they spent 236 million?

Combined budgets of their xmen films this year.

 

[MadVillainy]

That's not including an estimated marketing amount right?

I mean it's whatever. FOX has had hits and misses all over this year like every other studio. They're not hurting

 

[GuestStar2004]

FOX may have been ok with the BO performance of XM:A if not for Deadpool's crazy success. Though 'Pool may have been like catching lightning in a bottle, studios tend to respond to unexpected blockbusters by asking for more of that. In a non-Deadpool universe FOX may have followed up XM:A with a grounded (ie cheaper) story and jettisoned high priced stars like Fassy and J Law. But that may no longer be a top priority.

Good thing about deadpool is that they can keep making deadpool movies and making that money aslong as the character stays on a high, doesnt hold them back doing anything else though.

Its not like we heard deadpool is in wolverine 3, which is something some would expect them to do but unless he filmed a secret cameo it doesnt seem like fox forced him in their for the extra money, its all wild expectations.

 

[Zant]

That's not including an estimated marketing amount right?

I mean it's whatever. FOX has had hits and misses all over this year like every other studio. They're not hurting

Marketing not included. I also did not include non theatrical revenue that both films will make.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Good thing about deadpool is that they can keep making deadpool movies and making that money aslong as the character stays on a high, doesnt hold them back doing anything else though.

Its not like we heard deadpool is in wolverine 3, which is something some would expect them to do but unless he filmed a secret cameo it doesnt seem like fox forced him in their for the extra money, its all wild expectations.

what some are forgetting is The plan before apocalypse was released was to focus more on spin-offs.and that plan is contuning.there is little to suggest
fox is turning X-Men into Deadpool franchise.Cable was already planned to be in sequel.

Kinberg who knows more than anyone on this board has twice said he is going to write another X-Men film so those hoping for X-men films to end
probally won't get their wish.

while dumping Lawrence and possibly Fassbender would be a way to cut down on budget for next film fact fox was willing to pay for independence day sequel without will smith.which was dumb idea.The box office for prometheus even questioned the idea of sequels being good idea.that film had a lot of hype and disappointed a lot of people.

 

[magneto23]

Kinberg who knows more than anyone on this board has twice said he is going to write another X-Men film so those hoping for X-men films to end probally won't get their wish.

It's mind boggling to me that there are people who actually want that to happen. After a trilogy dominated by Wolverine and another by Xavier/Magneto/Mystique, you'd think everyone would be ready for an actual X-Men team movie. They set up a solid roster at the end of Apocalypse and people don't want it? Crazy.

 

[def28]

Who is arguing that X-Men films should stop?

People are not happy with Simon Kinberg as a writer and people think the X-Men franchise should be making more money. Those are pretty much all the debates.

They spent 236 on their x-films this year and made 1.3 billion, so it could be a lot worse.

You are missing the point though. X-Men (not Deadpool) can't afford another drop like this. Apocalypse is not boosting the franchise it's doing the opposite and even if the next film is great it's gonna be tough for them to get DOFP numbers. If people want this X-Men series and creative team to continue they need stronger numbers.

X-Men films will never stop but they will shift creatively when the numbers drop. Kinberg has one more chance with X-Men. If his next film drops the series in quality and box office even more, then Fox would be fools to keep him on as writer. I don't understand why they would want to keep him as writer now. His strong point is producing, not writing.X-Men 3, Fant4stic and Apocalypse are not fan, critic or audience favorites. So why keep him on as head writer?

 

[henzINNIT]

Problem is we have heard it all already, its alot of same old talk which usually kills the thread.

Just so happens that this film dissappointed in many, many ways. Pretty much the only thing that is sustaining this section is people talking about its performance (and then people complaining about them being negative).

A vast majority of people here love the franchise and want to see it continue, but it is logical to start the discussion with the failings of the last film when looking forward.

 

[SAUspartan]

Film made a profit. It was a success. End of story.

Just because you say something and want it to be true haters doesn't make it true.

 

[BeholdMe]

Who is arguing that X-Men films should stop?

People are not happy with Simon Kinberg as a writer and people think the X-Men franchise should be making more money. Those are pretty much all the debates.


You are missing the point though. X-Men (not Deadpool) can't afford another drop like this. Apocalypse is not boosting the franchise it's doing the opposite and even if the next film is great it's gonna be tough for them to get DOFP numbers. If people want this X-Men series and creative team to continue they need stronger numbers.

X-Men films will never stop but they will shift creatively when the numbers drop. Kinberg has one more chance with X-Men. If his next film drops the series in quality and box office even more, then Fox would be fools to keep him on as writer. I don't understand why they would want to keep him as writer now. His strong point is producing, not writing.X-Men 3, Fant4stic and Apocalypse are not fan, critic or audience favorites. So why keep him on as head writer?

Yes to this, it is my primary reason for my distaste in the franchise at this point though I am happy to see an actual team formed at the end of Apocalypse. I would prefer if Kinberg was replaced though im certain that wont be happening. I just feel he along with others are destroying the Legacy of XMen. I only ask to have someone onboard who really has a feel for the characters that are utilized and to quit killing characters off after one movie not being able to use them again.

 

[MadVillainy]

Film made a profit. It was a success. End of story.

Just because you say something and want it to be true haters doesn't make it true.

What are you basing it on that it made a profit.