Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[danoyse]

No matter how much danoyse wants him to.

Me, during that cameo scene:

Spoiler

We’ve had some good times together...

Seriously...the other day I had to stop and count how many X-Men movies there were. I have officially lost count of how many X-Men movies there are. And he’s been in every single one of them - plus there’s another solo movie on the way.

We’re good now. He needs to do other things. And not stuff like Pan, because I finally watched that the other night and what the hell was that??

 

[Logan0327]

I think it is impossible to do X-Men without allegory. Hopefully the next director is more subtle with it though. Xavier and Mystique's conversation in the office..."have things REALLY gotten better?" It would've been more subtle if Bryan Singer turned the camera to himself, jumped up on a soap box and started preaching.

yeah cause vaughn was much more subtle

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

HOnestly, I am more concerned about the children that Bryan Singer has abused than I am about his artistic work being affected. There is an odd mentality in Hollywood, which claims to be such a progressive place, in which children can be victimized with no repercussion. Roman Polanski did it. Woody Allen did it. And Bryan Singer did it. I'm sure there are more. If these men drugged and raped an adult female, they would be blacklisted. But for some reason, doing it to children seems to be okay in Hollywood. And none of that speaks to the working conditions/mental trauma that a child actor is put through. I don't mean to jump on a soap box, but it is a very concerning culture.

Oh I agree with you--and I didn't mean my post to suggest sympathy for his conduct if its been proven to be legitimate. I never heard if he was officially charged for those crimes or not. I was just stating that such events can effect a person's professional life.

If he was proven guilty in those abuse cases, may this film's failure serve as a personal retribution for his conduct as well.

 

[Zarex]

Though a change in director and writers are ways to address the disappointing BO, a long term concern is that the X-Men are nowhere near as popular as they were during their 90s hey day. Singer's first film was green lit based largely on the popularity of the animated series and arcade game. But the preteens who grew up watching that show and playing the side scroller are now well into their 30s and the last animated program went off the air in 2009. Where are the new X-Men fans expected to come from?

A core reason is the split rights arrangement between Disney and FOX, and can be seen in the treatment of New Mutants vs Black Panther. Both have films in 2018, but one character had a star turn in a billion dollar film, a high profile comic from an award winning author, action figures, Halloween costumes, etc. The FOX characters, on the other hand, have zero visibility.

Disney pushed Deadpool prior to his BO smash and the two studios are collaborating on TV, so there's hope we'll see more cooperation going forward. I think it's essential for FOX to keep the series viable.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

yeah cause vaughn was much more subtle

Hands down, that was one of the cheesiest, eye-rolling lines and delivery since "Do You Know What Happens To A Toad" in 2000.

 

[danoyse]

I really wish some miracle of corporate synergy would happen so the X-Men and the Avengers could play together. It just seems silly at this point.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Me, during that cameo scene:

Spoiler

We’ve had some good times together...

Seriously...the other day I had to stop and count how many X-Men movies there were. I have officially lost count of how many X-Men movies there are. And he’s been in every single one of them - plus there’s another solo movie on the way.

We’re good now. He needs to do other things. And not stuff like Pan, because I finally watched that the other night and what the hell was that??

That was Joe Wright losing his mind.

You were good as soon as you got The Wolverine bath scene. You can simply live with that on loop.

 

[superweirdo87]

Um, incorrect. Halle Berry alone still has more star power with general audiences than Sophie, Tye and Alexandra combined. And don't even get me started on the power of Patrick, Ian and Hugh. They outrank these new kids 10 to 1. Come on now.

And that arguably means people would read an article about her divorce, not that they would spend money to watch one of her movies if it was not otherwise appealing.

I am totally with Darth on this. It is minor and outweighed by the content of the movie. Cloud Atlas bombed. Catwoman made 40M domestic on a 100M budget.

You don't address any of the research findings I pointed to. Economists find little correlation between stars and box office success.

Forbes noted in 2001 that many of the highest grossing movies ever had no stars.

“Of the 100 most popular movies of all time (based on box-office gross adjusted for inflation), 42 were made after 1975. Of these 42, half featured no star actors (defined as someone who had top billing in at least one hit movie previously). The movies at the very top of the list–Star Wars, E.T., The Extra-Terrestrial and Titanic–had no stars. ( Leonardo DiCaprio Leonardo DiCaprio became a star in Titanic, but he was not one before.) Of the top 15, seven had no stars, and six certainly did.”

You point out that people need a reason to come if the plot looks silly. But, why not have a plot that isn't silly?

 

[danoyse]

That was Joe Wright losing his mind.

You were good as soon as you got The Wolverine bath scene. You can simply live with that on loop.

I was fine when I got to go on stage with him before the damn movie.

No, I’m not over it...

 

[Sithborg]

I recall a lot of complaints over DOFP was that the OT cast wasn’t in it enough.

When we were at the fan screening, the biggest cheer of the night was when Marsden showed up at the end.

I don’t thinking audiences ever connected to the FC cast the same way, as good at they were (McAvoy in particular).

I don't think the GA generally cared about the OT cast until they were gone for nearly a decade. You can't have nostalgia for something until they are gone.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Though a change in director and writers are ways to address the disappointing BO, a long term concern is that the X-Men are nowhere near as popular as they were during their 90s hey day. Singer's first film was green lit based largely on the popularity of the animated series and arcade game. But the preteens who grew up watching that show and playing the side scroller are now well into their 30s and the last animated program went off the air in 2009. Where are the new X-Men fans expected to come from?

A core reason is the split rights arrangement between Disney and FOX, and can be seen in the treatment of New Mutants vs Black Panther. Both have films in 2018, but one character had a star turn in a billion dollar film, a high profile comic from an award winning author, action figures, Halloween costumes, etc. The FOX characters, on the other hand, have zero visibility.

Disney pushed Deadpool prior to his BO smash and the two studios are collaborating on TV, so there's hope we'll see more cooperation going forward. I think it's essential for FOX to keep the series viable.

Well, what is stopping FOX from doing what Sony did with Spider-Man and let Marvel have creative control of their film development? Seems to me that FOX has a lot of pride and ego getting in the way.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

yeah cause vaughn was much more subtle

Well you got us there. That one scene, one line, really compares.

 

[danoyse]

I don't think the GA generally cared about the OT cast until they were gone for nearly a decade. You can't have nostalgia for something until they are gone.

Isn’t X-Men 3 still the highest-grossing X-Men movie (besides Deadpool)? There was clearly a fan base there already that wasn’t ready to see them sign off yet.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was fine when I got to go on stage with him before the damn movie.

No, I’m not over it...

Nor should you ever be. t:

 

[Logan0327]

Isn’t X-Men 3 still the highest-grossing X-Men movie (besides Deadpool)? There was clearly a fan base there already that wasn’t ready to see them sign off yet.

thats like saying the fans wanted tobey and raimi back because spiderman 3 is the highest grossing spiderman film of all time

 

[TheNewSlayer]

I had so high hopes for this movie to do well. The US flop was the most important factor for this movie failure at the movie office.

I thought that Americans liked the X-Men. In Brazil the X-men is number 1 again this weekend, and so in UK according to deadline.com

Deadpool made 130m on its first 3 days in the US while x-men made only 65m. It is really disappointing numbers. Deadpool didn't even had China.

With these numbers I find really hard to believe that x-men will even make 400 ww, or even 150m in the US.

If this 3 day weekend in the US made only 65m. Next 3 day weekend will do less cause of Ninja Turtles 2, lets say it makes half, 30m. It will only reach to 95m, which is too low.

This makes me sad cause I watched the movie 3 times and I was wishing to make enough money to ensure another x-men movie with the same beautiful visual effects this movie had. But Fox might decided that they spent too much money for nothing and next x-men movie be as hallow was deapool was with only two action scenes. Deadpool was cool and all but for me it was a step down in terms of visual effects and action sequences. I don't want for Fox to make another x-men movie like first class which had non existing beautiful visual effects or DOFP which had 100 minutes of talk and like 5 minutes of action. I like to see the x-men in full display of her powers like X-Men Apocalypse and X2 did.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Isn’t X-Men 3 still the highest-grossing X-Men movie (besides Deadpool)? There was clearly a fan base there already that wasn’t ready to see them sign off yet.

Domestically, yes. WW? It is about 300m behind DoFP. As I said earlier, the old school team did fine for that day and age, but it wasn't doing huge numbers. I mean Spidey was around. TDK and Iron Man came out in 2008, only two years after The Last Stand. Superman Returns wasn't liked and did about X2 numbers.

 

[danoyse]

thats like saying the fans wanted tobey and raimi back because spiderman 3 is the highest grossing spiderman film of all time

I’m not talking about the fans - I’m talking about the audience in general. And yes, I know people who still don’t understand why Spider-Man was rebooted even after SM3.

 

[Kanon]

I am totally with Darth on this. It is minor and outweighed by the content of the movie. Cloud Atlas bombed. Catwoman made 40M domestic on a 100M budget.

You don't address any of the research findings I pointed to. Economists find little correlation between stars and box office success.

Forbes noted in 2001 that many of the highest grossing movies ever had no stars.

“Of the 100 most popular movies of all time (based on box-office gross adjusted for inflation), 42 were made after 1975. Of these 42, half featured no star actors (defined as someone who had top billing in at least one hit movie previously). The movies at the very top of the list–Star Wars, E.T., The Extra-Terrestrial and Titanic–had no stars. ( Leonardo DiCaprio Leonardo DiCaprio became a star in Titanic, but he was not one before.) Of the top 15, seven had no stars, and six certainly did.”

But the stars give you publicity, put asses on the seats. That's never bad. The thing is, the movie has to be good for that to work. Once star power does its job promoting the movie, the quality has to back it up. Apocalypse lacked on star power ("Sophie, Tye and Alexandra" most people would need to google to know who they are of what their last names are, myself included for some of those)

And since we are on it, I think Sophie Turner is terrible, she is like a black hole absorving energy whenever she is on screen (reminds me of Mia Wasikowska, they both make me sleepy)

 

[sleekstereo]

Though a change in director and writers are ways to address the disappointing BO, a long term concern is that the X-Men are nowhere near as popular as they were during their 90s hey day. Singer's first film was green lit based largely on the popularity of the animated series and arcade game. But the preteens who grew up watching that show and playing the side scroller are now well into their 30s and the last animated program went off the air in 2009. Where are the new X-Men fans expected to come from?

A core reason is the split rights arrangement between Disney and FOX, and can be seen in the treatment of New Mutants vs Black Panther. Both have films in 2018, but one character had a star turn in a billion dollar film, a high profile comic from an award winning author, action figures, Halloween costumes, etc. The FOX characters, on the other hand, have zero visibility.

Disney pushed Deadpool prior to his BO smash and the two studios are collaborating on TV, so there's hope we'll see more cooperation going forward. I think it's essential for FOX to keep the series viable.

At the end of the day, Fox may have to release their cut from merchandising to Marvel. That is key. Its not like they are making any money off it anyways.

Give Marvel back 100% of merchandising revenue, and Fox benefits from the visibility of the characters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I had so high hopes for this movie to do well. The US flop was the most important factor for this movie failure at the movie office.

I thought that Americans liked the X-Men. In Brazil the X-men is number 1 again this weekend, and so in UK according to deadline.com

Deadpool made 130m on its first 3 days in the US while x-men made only 65m. It is really disappointing numbers. Deadpool didn't even had China.

With these numbers I find really hard to believe that x-men will even make 400 ww, or even 150m in the US.

If this 3 day weekend in the US made only 65m. Next 3 day weekend will do less cause of Ninja Turtles 2, lets say it makes half, 30m. It will only reach to 95m, which is too low.

This makes me sad cause I watched the movie 3 times and I was wishing to make enough money to ensure another x-men movie with the same beautiful visual effects this movie had. But Fox might decided that they spent too much money for nothing and next x-men movie be as hallow was deapool was with only two action scenes. Deadpool was cool and all but for me it was a step down in terms of visual effects and action sequences. I don't want for Fox to make another x-men movie like first class which had non existing beautiful visual effects or DOFP which had 100 minutes of talk and like 5 minutes of action. I like to see the x-men in full display of her powers like X-Men Apocalypse and X2 did.

It will comfortably make 400m WW. I think it will easily get to 500m, but I could easily be wrong on that.

 

[JEM]

I had so high hopes for this movie to do well. The US flop was the most important factor for this movie failure at the movie office.

I thought that Americans liked the X-Men. In Brazil the X-men is number 1 again this weekend, and so in UK according to deadline.com

Deadpool made 130m on its first 3 days in the US while x-men made only 65m. It is really disappointing numbers. Deadpool didn't even had China.

With these numbers I find really hard to believe that x-men will even make 400 ww, or even 150m in the US.

If this 3 day weekend in the US made only 65m. Next 3 day weekend will do less cause of Ninja Turtles 2, lets say it makes half, 30m. It will only reach to 95m, which is too low.

This makes me sad cause I watched the movie 3 times and I was wishing to make enough money to ensure another x-men movie with the same beautiful visual effects this movie had. But Fox might decided that they spent too much money for nothing and next x-men movie be as hallow was deapool was with only two action scenes. Deadpool was cool and all but for me it was a step down in terms of visual effects and action sequences. I don't want for Fox to make another x-men movie like first class which had non existing beautiful visual effects or DOFP which had 100 minutes of talk and like 5 minutes of action. I like to see the x-men in full display of her powers like X-Men Apocalypse and X2 did.

OS, i think XA could make between 300 and 400 millions, drop seems normal.
So between 500 and 600 million ww, we have to see China and Japan.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But the stars give you publicity, put asses on the seats. That's never bad. The thing is, the movie has to be good for that to work. Once star power does its job promoting the movie, the quality has to back it up. Apocalypse lacked on star power ("Sophie, Tye and Alexandra" most people would need to google to know who they are of what their last names are, myself included for some of those)

And since we are on it, I think Sophie Turner is terrible, she is like a black hole absorving energy whenever she is on screen (reminds me of Mia Wasikowska, they both make me sleepy)

Stars are irrelevant. What is relevant is brand. Harrison Ford doesn't do big numbers anymore. But put him in Star Wars or Indy, and suddenly the heavens open again.

Your dislike for Sansa Stark is maddening, but I haven't seen the movie yet, so I can't tell if you are right...yet.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

And that arguably means people would read an article about her divorce, not that they would spend money to watch one of her movies if it was not otherwise appealing.

I am totally with Darth on this. It is minor and outweighed by the content of the movie. Cloud Atlas bombed. Catwoman made 40M domestic on a 100M budget.

Halle Berry's Cloud Atlas was a critically acclaimed hit, albeit not a financial one. But Catwoman would have bombed no matter who starred in it. However, she still headlined those films. She's carried many critically acclaimed movies i.e. Their Eyes Were Watching God, The Dorothy Dandridge Story and of course Monster's Ball, for which she won an Oscar. She's won Emmys and SAG awards for Best Actress. She's had her own television series as well as the critically acclaimed mini-series Queen. These are just off the top of my head. That's not something that Sophie, Tye, Alexandra or Kodi can lay claim to yet in their careers. Not yet.

The bottom line is Halle Berry is much bigger household name than any of them--and that is a fact. Hell, Jennifer Lawrence is a bigger name too. So what exactly are you debating here?

You don't address any of the research findings I pointed to. Economists find little correlation between stars and box office success.

Forbes noted in 2001 that many of the highest grossing movies ever had no stars.

“Of the 100 most popular movies of all time (based on box-office gross adjusted for inflation), 42 were made after 1975. Of these 42, half featured no star actors (defined as someone who had top billing in at least one hit movie previously). The movies at the very top of the list–Star Wars, E.T., The Extra-Terrestrial and Titanic–had no stars. ( Leonardo DiCaprio Leonardo DiCaprio became a star in Titanic, but he was not one before.) Of the top 15, seven had no stars, and six certainly did.”

You point out that people need a reason to come if the plot looks silly. But, why not have a plot that isn't silly?

So half of the films in this top 15 list had A-listers and half didn't. Are there any X-Men films on that list? I didn't think so. Where is the relevance? If anything, this shows that having an A-List cast could help this new X-Men franchise. Because clearly the lack of star power hasn't helped it.

 

[sleekstereo]

HOnestly, I am more concerned about the children that Bryan Singer has abused than I am about his artistic work being affected. There is an odd mentality in Hollywood, which claims to be such a progressive place, in which children can be victimized with no repercussion. Roman Polanski did it. Woody Allen did it. And Bryan Singer did it. I'm sure there are more. If these men drugged and raped an adult female, they would be blacklisted. But for some reason, doing it to children seems to be okay in Hollywood. And none of that speaks to the working conditions/mental trauma that a child actor is put through. I don't mean to jump on a soap box, but it is a very concerning culture.

Lets not go there with conspiracies and state it as fact. The man who accused him was found out to be a complete fraud.

Accusing someone of rape without proof is dangerous and destructive. And if that person is innocent, it makes them a victim as well.