Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[Lightning Strykez!]

You will get your wish.

and if i am fox employee than LS and others must be disney employees.

Oh, how I wish I was a Disney employee! With their hit-making streak I'd be making soo much more $$$ in profit shares than you are at this point. *sigh*

I can only imagine how difficult your day back in the office will be on Tuesday after this soft-ass $65 million opening. My condolences on your loss.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Funny. Does this mean that Kingsman and Deadpool are the two most successful FOX comic book movies of the last decade? And both are rated-R. And they were so scared to make The Wolverine R-rated.

 

[danoyse]

Ah, I see. Well, it does admittedly seem likely with these numbers. But I digress...

I wouldn't mind it at all. I've seen Apocalypse twice and I enjoyed it, but this series is desperate for a new creative jolt. It's time.

 

[danoyse]

Funny. Does this mean that Kingsman and Deadpool are the two most successful FOX comic book movies of the last decade? And both are rated-R. And they were so scared to make The Wolverine R-rated.

All I want is for Deadpool to cameo in Wolverine 3 and take total credit for that R-rating. That's all I need.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

All I want is for Deadpool to cameo in Wolverine 3 and take total credit for that R-rating. That's all I need.

I'd walk out of the theater and swear off all film for the rest of my life. At that point, there will be no topping that.

 

[Matt]

I wouldn't mind it at all. I've seen Apocalypse twice and I enjoyed it, but this series is desperate for a new creative jolt. It's time.

I concur. Personally, I wish Vaughn stayed on following First Class. He took it in an optimistic, hopeful, fun direction that could've been used to showcase some of the less well known X-Men. This was almost all undone with two dark and dreary successors that serve little purpose other than resetting the status quo.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

And what happened to that show? The one on CBS that was pulling in less then 5m viewers in its last season. Less then Game of Thrones, on HBO. AKA as the most pirated show of all time.

Halle Berry honestly hasn't been relevant in a long time. That is what Extant showed.

Halle Berry and Sophie Turner have about the same effect on box office. That is the entire point. You can say Halle Berry is a bigger "star" but it is irrelevant as it has no effect on the the box office. It is the same for Hugh, Sir Ian and Sir Patrick. Great actors, have little to zero drawing power. Few actors are draws on their own now. Leo and Scajo. And they have the films to prove it. Non-brand built successes over the last 5 years. Not even Chris Pratt and his recent success shows he is a draw, because he is tied to big brands.

But that wasn't the point of the discussion: Halle, Hugh, Patrick and Ian are collectively a much more compelling box office draw than James, Michael, Jennifer, Sophie, Tye, Alexandra, etc. This is a proven fact by the big numbers of Days Of Future Past and the lower numbers of FC--and now XA--which are bookends to that film. They are the missing ingredient to Apocalypse's success, among other things.

However you choose to slice or dice it, the point is this franchise is struggling for so many reasons and part of it is because of the lack of star power. Audiences need a reason to come--especially if the plot looks dumb or shallow in the trailers and spots.

 

[danoyse]

I concur. Personally, I wish Vaughn stayed on following First Class. He took it in an optimistic, hopeful, fun direction that could've been used to showcase some of the less well known X-Men. This was almost all undone with two dark and dreary successors that serve little purpose other than resetting the status quo.

I wished that final scene had been the middle of the movie, just so we could see another training montage like Vaughn did in First Class. I feel like there was a great movie in there, but there was too much silliness in the way.

 

[Matt]

Singer was moving on anyways imo. He laid the ground work early on.

Was he? I could've sworn I read an interview with him earlier in the week in which he said he wanted to do Dark Phoenix.

I've never seen a director fall from grace so quickly. He was the hot new guy in Hollywood just 10 short years ago. He made comic movies into main stream hits. Then he made the abysmal Superman 2. Then Valkyrie, which was supposed to be a prestige picture, only received Saturn Award nominations. Then his stock just plummeted. Then he did Jack and the Giant Killer and he sunk deeper. Then he crawled back to Fox and the X-Men franchise. And right when it seemed like he was about to rehabilitate his reputation, there was that scandal with the underage kids and now with this underperforming...I dunno. He should really go back to his roots and make a couple indies.

 

[henzINNIT]

Interested to see how the box-office affects the future. Sad to see my favourite franchise falter at the box office, but the film deserves a mixed reception and changes need to be made.

I would like Singer to stick around, but it would be smart to step back for a while. Let the spin offs carry the brand for a couple of years and select a new director for the 90's film. Maybe Singer can return for an X4 of sorts after 20,000 Leagues.

 

[Matt]

I wished that final scene had been the middle of the movie, just so we could see another training montage like Vaughn did in First Class. I feel like there was a great movie in there, but there was too much silliness in the way.

First Class? Its my favorite X-Men movie! It is admittedly silly at times but I think it is the only X-Men movie to date to show the X-Men actually work as the X-Men. Well, I suppose X3 did as well...but the less that is said about that the better.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Singer is likely going to take all the blame for apocalypse underperforming.And most people joined the let's bash singer club so that should be popular
across the internet.and i will say again as fan of his he shouldn't produce if he isn't directing.he won't get any credit if next full X_men film is success.that
was proven by first class.Leave it to Kinberg.If kinberg didn't suffer because of the disaster that was fantastic four he isn't because of Apocalypse.why i have no idea.

Singer is probally gone for good from X-men films.and while you all will celebrate it i don't because who knows what happens with kinberg and singer's replacement.It could lose all what made X-men different and intresting for me.no more dakness.no more seriousness.no more allegory.I don't have much franchises left to enjoy with too many ruined by the constant rebooting and now i probaly lost X-men to enjoy.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Was he? I could've sworn I read an interview with him earlier in the week in which he said he wanted to do Dark Phoenix.

I've never seen a director fall from grace so quickly. He was the hot new guy in Hollywood just 10 short years ago. He made comic movies into main stream hits. Then he made the abysmal Superman 2. Then Valkyrie, which was supposed to be a prestige picture, only received Saturn Award nominations. Then his stock just plummeted. Then he did Jack and the Giant Killer and he sunk deeper. Then he crawled back to Fox and the X-Men franchise. And right when it seemed like he was about to rehabilitate his reputation, there was that scandal with the underage kids and now with this underperforming...I dunno. He should really go back to his roots and make a couple indies.

Yah.

I wonder how much the sex scandal disrupted his creative and directorial process for this film. Didn't all of that break out during this production? If so, it may explain why so many critics felt that this didn't feel like a classic Singer film...that it felt out of focus. Maybe he had a hard time emotionally focusing.

 

[Tilapia]

Oh, how I wish I was a Disney employee! With their hit-making streak I'd be making soo much more $$$ in profit shares than you are at this point. *sigh*

I can only imagine how difficult your day back in the office will be on Tuesday after this soft-ass $65 million opening. My condolences on your loss.

Disney is bleeding in television. As a stakeholder I know. Fox is killing them in that department.

 

[Kanon]

But that wasn't the point of the discussion: Halle, Hugh, Patrick and Ian are collectively a much more compelling box office draw than James, Michael, Jennifer, Sophie, Tye, Alexandra, etc. This is a proven fact by the big numbers of Days Of Future Past and the lower numbers of FC--and now XA--which are bookends to that film. They are the missing ingredient to Apocalypse's success, among other things.

However you choose to slice or dice it, the point is this franchise is struggling for so many reasons and part of it is because of the lack of star power. Audiences need a reason to come--especially if the plot looks dumb or shallow in the trailers and spots.

I think the lack of star power is just half of the problem. IMO, the biggest issue is that the stories with the new cast kinda negates the stories with a much better, and beloved cast. Audiences loved the OT of X-Men, and the moments when they couldn't fit the new movies into that, the box office paid the price

 

[Matt]

Singer is likely going to take all the blame for apocalypse underperforming.And most people joined the let's bash singer club so that should be popular
across the internet.and i will say again as fan of his he shouldn't produce if he isn't directing.he won't get any credit if next full X_men film is success.that
was proven by first class.Leave it to Kinberg.If kinberg didn't suffer because of the disaster that was fantastic four he isn't because of Apocalypse.why i have no idea.

Singer is probally gone for good from X-men films.and while you all will celebrate it i don't because who knows what happens with kinberg and singer's replacement.It could lose all what made X-men different and intresting for me.no more dakness.no more seriousness.no more allegory.I don't have much franchises left to enjoy with too many ruined by the constant rebooting and now i probaly lost X-men to enjoy.

I think it is impossible to do X-Men without allegory. Hopefully the next director is more subtle with it though. Xavier and Mystique's conversation in the office..."have things REALLY gotten better?" It would've been more subtle if Bryan Singer turned the camera to himself, jumped up on a soap box and started preaching.

 

[JEM]

I think we shouldn't forget Josh Boone. He will direct the next team (New Mutant) with Mcavoy and Shipp (normally).
A lot of potential.

 

[danoyse]

I'd walk out of the theater and swear off all film for the rest of my life. At that point, there will be no topping that.

That, and if this happened, they would have to bury me before the movie was over...

Spoiler

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think it is impossible to do X-Men without allegory. Hopefully the next director is more subtle with it though. Xavier and Mystique's conversation in the office..."have things REALLY gotten better?" It would've been more subtle if Bryan Singer turned the camera to himself, jumped up on a soap box and started preaching.

there won't be.that's not what audences want or the intetnet.they want deadpool or MCU style films.with singer gone hack Kinberg will give it to them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But that wasn't the point of the discussion: Halle, Hugh, Patrick and Ian are collectively a much more compelling box office draw than James, Michael, Jennifer, Sophie, Tye, Alexandra, etc. This is a proven fact by the big numbers of Days Of Future Past and the lower numbers of FC--and now XA--which are bookends to that film. They are the missing ingredient to Apocalypse's success, among other things.

However you choose to slice or dice it, the point is this franchise is struggling for so many reasons and part of it is because of the lack of star power. Audiences need a reason to come--especially if the plot looks dumb or shallow in the trailers and spots.

It discounts two obvious ideas. One it wasn't that the old cast was back, but the old cast was back along with the new cast. It is the perfect example of "event" filmmaking.

Second, really sure Apocalypse is going to be a bigger WW success the any movie featuring the old cast on their own. Any spin off, any main series film, anything. So what does that say about the old cast?

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Singer is likely going to take all the blame for apocalypse underperforming.And most people joined the let's bash singer club so that should be popular
across the internet.and i will say again as fan of his he shouldn't produce if he isn't directing.he won't get any credit if next full X_men film is success.that
was proven by first class.Leave it to Kinberg.If kinberg didn't suffer because of the disaster that was fantastic four he isn't because of Apocalypse.why i have no idea.

Kinberg's time will come. The internet hates him just as much--if not more than Singer. I say that because most of us will begrudgingly send Singer love because if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have a lot of what we have now--including the current successes of Marvel and--to a lesser extent--the DCU. Personally I respect Singer--but I hate many of his choices for this franchise. He's chosen to serve his own vision instead of satisfying what the audiences wanted. And this weekend's box office results show that the love affair is over.

But Kinberg? That guy is the unmitigated essence of Suck. From 2004's Fantastic Four to X-Men: The Last Stand down to this very day he has never been good for us or FOX.

 

[danoyse]

I think the lack of star power is just half of the problem. IMO, the biggest issue is that the stories with the new cast kinda negates the stories with a much better, and beloved cast. Audiences loved the OT of X-Men, and the moments when they couldn't fit the new movies into that, the box office paid the price

I recall a lot of complaints over DOFP was that the OT cast wasn’t in it enough.

When we were at the fan screening, the biggest cheer of the night was when Marsden showed up at the end.

I don’t thinking audiences ever connected to the FC cast the same way, as good at they were (McAvoy in particular).

 

[Tilapia]

there won't be.that's not what audences want or the intetnet.they want deadpool or MCU style films.with singer gone hack Kinberg will give it to them.

It's a free country, but seriously, you need to stop with this. I think we are all a little disappointed right now. Let's leave it at that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think we shouldn't forget Josh Boone. He will direct the next team (New Mutant) with Mcavoy and Shipp (normally).
A lot of potential.

i wouldn't be so sure on that since scooper now says he doesn't know if mcavoy will be back.Kinberg has confirmed Xavier will be in new mutants.but,after that who know what timeframe new mutants is in.or if storm is really In film.

 

[danoyse]

Yah.

I wonder how much the sex scandal disrupted his creative and directorial process for this film. Didn't all of that break out during this production? If so, it may explain why so many critics felt that this didn't feel like a classic Singer film...that it felt out of focus. Maybe he had a hard time emotionally focusing.

That actually happened just as DOFP was opening. He was the only one not at the fan screening/premiere in NY because the story had just broke. I remember the reporters were trying to ask the cast about it (like what were they supposed to say??).

Apocalypse hadn’t started filming yet.