Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[DavidHaller]

people here seem to romanticize the source material at times. Compared what happens in many X-Men comics Singer even elevated the source material...

Characters like Colossus or Iceman are constantly misused in the comic books for months and used as wallpaper. Let's not pretend all comic book writers are Grant Morrison which introduce a small team and give all of them enough character development...

 

[superweirdo87]

You just described Singer's Colossus. And all the future (new) mutants in Days of the Future Past.

You seem to be operating under this bizarre strawman that it's one extreme or the other. Especially when Marvel has shown the capacity to have a lot of superheroes in their films while still giving them meaningful arcs.

Because one is acceptable and the other is not, and this is to some degree a forced or inevitable choice. 120 minutes is a finite amount of time.

And possibly, because personally, while I am a comics fan, I am not the kind who complains about a character not getting their chance to shine. I care a lot when there is no meaningful story.

To me, the weaker point with the DOFP future mutants were that there were so many of them to begin with. I didn't want more for them, I wish some of them were cut to make the story tighter. For me, DOFP is not extreme enough.

It is possible to service a bunch of characters, but I am not that interested in seeing them serviced. It can be cool, but it is not a priority for me, personally.

 

[The Batman]

I love X1, X2, FC, and DOFP, but its always been clear that the Fox/Singer style has kept this franchise from reaching its true BO potential. Even on their best days, this franchise hasn't made the type of BO other CBM's have, even when it definitely has the ability to.

Hopefully, this will cause Fox to completely re think their approach to the franchise, because the X-Films could make billions under a better approach.

 

[daddydivine]

people here seem to romanticize the source material at times. Compared what happens in many X-Men comics Singer even elevated the source material at times...

Characters like Colossus or Iceman are constantly misused in the comic books for months and used as wallpaper. Let's not pretend all comic book writers are Grant Morrison which introduce a small team and give all of them enough character development...

It's been like 7 movies. And we JUST got a little growth from Cyclops... poor Storm has been furniture since the beginning. There is a difference between a few stale periods in characterization and none ever. These are the OG X-men and we just got the HOPE that MAYBE we'll begin focusing on the team.

 

[DavidHaller]

300, Sin City, Watchmen?

lol

uhh, I see you guys here are very manly!

 

[DavidHaller]

It's been like 7 movies. And we JUST got a little growth from Cyclops... poor Storm has been furniture since the beginning. There is a difference between a few stale periods in characterization and none ever. These are the OG X-men and we just got the HOPE that MAYBE we'll begin focusing on the team.

Yes, I'm a Storm fan and believe me that sucks!

But Singer gave me extremely elaborate versions of Magneto, Xavier, Wolverine, Mystique and (now) Jean Grey which compensate in my eyes for everything else. He does not care about a lot of characters but the ones he chooses are masterful adaptations of the source materials!

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

people here seem to romanticize the source material at times. Compared what happens in many X-Men comics Singer even elevated the source material...

Bryan Singer did not elevate a single thing Chris Claremont did on X-Men from 75-91

The only thing he did was convince the General Audience that Wolverine's code name is X-Man.

 

[Tilapia]

They are going to stop with the human villains and the government as the main threat. That worked for the OT and some FC trilogy elements they were doing given the period piece style story telling.

That's all out the window now. Singer set it up for the next guy. You are not going to see the US president heavily featured besides perhaps some archive footage, or real life historical events. It's going to get a lot more ridiculous, for better or worse.

Now is the perfect opportunity for Singer to let this go. There is nothing more he could have done or can do going forward.

 

[marvelrobbins]

i can easily see a drop next weekend to 25 to 30 million.

people need to stop pretending X-men is only films that make changes.WB,Sony,and even marvel does.

yes the critics hurt box office.and there was plenty of trying to go more comic booky and give some of what they want in Apocalypse.

I will be seeing it again this week.

 

[superweirdo87]

I love X1, X2, FC, and DOFP, but its always been clear that the Fox/Singer style has kept this franchise from reaching its true BO potential. Even on their best days, this franchise hasn't made the type of BO other CBM's have, even when it definitely has the ability to.

Hopefully, this will cause Fox to completely re think their approach to the franchise, because the X-Films could make billions under a better approach.

I love X2, FC, and DOFP too, and I hope Fox makes changes.

But, I don't know that the X-films could readily make a billion. You need a lot of things to go right, and I don't think that needs to be their goal. Doing well and telling good stories should be. I don't want a transformers-like franchise that just makes money.

They can do better than they are now, and audiences clearly are responding to things that are different than they've seen before. Singer has a clear-cut comfort zone, and it's territory that's been churned over.

 

[DavidHaller]

Bryan Singer did not elevate a single thing Chris Claremont did on X-Men from 75-91

The only thing he did was convince the General Audience that Wolverine's code name is X-Man.

he adapted a lot of Claremont's work very beautifully!


no, he doesn't. X2 was clearly a team movie. And X1 used Wolverine AND Rogue to introduce the audience/us to the X-Men from their outsider perspective.

it was Ratner and X3 that shifted the focus entirely on Wolverine and killed off all the other X-Men.

X-Men: First Class (produced by Singer) and X-Men: Apocalypse barely had Wolverine in it.

 

[daddydivine]

Yes, I'm a Storm fan and believe me that sucks!

But Singer gave me extremely elaborate versions of Magneto, Xavier, Wolverine, Mystique and (now) Jean Grey which compensate in my eyes for everything else. He does not care about a lot of characters but the ones he chooses are masterful adaptations of the source materials!

I love Singers movies, but I don't think I can deal with this side character approach to the X-men series. If he can make Mystique and Magneto popular characters when they had no popularity outside of the comics he could have long ago made the core X-Men popular. As a fan it feels less like X-men movies and more like origin movies. I honestly think i'd be disgusted if Magneto played a major role in any films in the near future.

 

[marvelrobbins]

no, he doesn't. X2 was clearly a team movie. And X1 used Wolverine AND Rogue to introduce the audience/us to the X-Men from their outsider perspective.

it was Ratner and X3 that shifted the focus entirely on Wolverine and killed off all the other X-Men.

X-Men: First Class (produced by Singer) and X-Men: Apocalypse barely had Wolverine in it.

and X-men days of future past has wolverine to guide Xavier but that film
was clearly centered on Xavier not wolverine.it can be argured DOFP was
more about magneto and Mystique than Wolverine.

Only film which went overboard with wolverine was The last stand which Singer had nothing to do with it.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

he adapted a lot of Claremont's work very beautifully!

If you say so

As a fan it feels less like X-men movies and more like origin movies. I honestly think i'd be disgusted if Magneto played a major role in any films in the near future.

 

[StormC]

People are gonna not like this comparison, but I think Civil War proves how to make an ensemble film effective; while some characters will get a clear cut arc throughout the story, it's impossible to give that for every character. For those more second string characters (Hawkeye, Ant-Man, etc.), give them those big awesome moments and memorable dialogue. They may not be full of depth, but they'll resonate with the audience and make it feel like a true ensemble action movie.

 

[The Batman]

I love X2, FC, and DOFP too, and I hope Fox makes changes.

But, I don't know that the X-films could readily make a billion. You need a lot of things to go right, and I don't think that needs to be their goal. Doing well and telling good stories should be. I don't want a transformers-like franchise that just makes money.

They can do better than they are now, and audiences clearly are responding to things that are different than they've seen before. Singer has a clear-cut comfort zone, and it's territory that's been churned over.

Obviously telling good stories is the first priority. Transformers aside, many billion dollar grossing films are of high quality.

I don't think I claimed that X-Films could make billions in an instant. There needs to be a certain amount of good will built up before that can happen, as the MCU and Dark Knight films have shown.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

When I see critics complaining about this movie always amaze me as to how idiotic the complain is.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

People are gonna not like this comparison, but I think Civil War proves how to make an ensemble film effective;

I'd really like to steal these people from Civil War to work on X-Men


Trent Opaloch
Judianna Makovsky
David Leitch
Darrin Prescott
Tony Acosta Jr
Jeffrey Ford

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's not fair to compare X-men films to MCU for following reasons.they have more output than fox.Now if MCU was only 3 iron man films,3 avengers film-counting civil war as one,and GOTG then it would be a lot different.

fox had only films in following years with the wolverine and DOFP.2016 is only year with 2 x related films.granted that Is going to change.

The avengers films would be very different if they had to introduce most of characters in one film.both avengers and age of ultron had time to devolp heroes since they didn't have to set up a lot and they had avengers against CGI armys with one villain.the villain in civil war is a non-entry only there to get avengers to fight each other.

and no i don't advocate more solo films.Wolverine,deadpool,and gambit should be only solo films.

Just time to admit the X-men films will always be structed differently than Avengers.The first class stars contracts are up.who knows who will be back
when they do another full X-men film.it's way too early with apocalypse just in theaters to be moaning about next film especilly since no idea who is doing it and who will be in it.

 

[StormC]

Ant-Man was a fan favorite in Civil War even though half of the audience probably didn't see his movie. Ditto goes for Spider-Man and Black Panther. It isn't a matter of previous films, it's a matter of creating memorable and engaging characters.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Just time to admit the X-men films will always be structed differently than Avengers.The first class stars contracts are up.who knows who will be back
when they do another full X-men film.it's way too early with apocalypse just in theaters to be moaning about next film especilly since no idea who is doing it and who will be in it.

That's not a valid excuse it's been 16 years. They had plenty of time

 

[Raiden]

I never really understood this argument...Singer created some great adaptations! X2 and Days of Future Past are perfect X-Men movies! A fan couldn't hoped for more. He understood the source material beautifully and made fantastic movies out of it.

I don't see any other superhero movies which are closer to the source material than Singer. These movies are never direct adaptions (besides maybe Watchmen).

 

[marvelrobbins]

Ant-Man was a fan favorite in Civil War even though half of the audience probably didn't see his movie. Ditto goes for Spider-Man and Black Panther. It isn't a matter of previous films, it's a matter of creating memorable and engaging characters.

Your missing the point.Spider-man in civil war is the equilvent of quicksilver
In DOFP.Ant-man was allowed to be what he was in civil war because of his introduction in SOlo film.Black panther was heavily included in the plot of civil war because it was the framing of Bucky for his father's death and that brought him into conflict of cap.

 

[Tymminator]

How is this movie doing in the UK and Australia?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

That was the craziest thing I read all day