Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

[samsnee]

So what are the final numbers on this thing? Is it still playing? It's barely been a month and it's definitely fallen off the radar.

 

[2kt09]

So what are the final numbers on this thing? Is it still playing? It's barely been a month and it's definitely fallen off the radar.

$524,088,267
Japan - August 11, 2016

 

[TheNewSlayer]

How much more can this movie make it in the US?

Currently it has 151M in 32 days.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=x-men2016.htm

Could it reach 160M?

Most movies stays 90 days on theater before they take it out.

 

[DACrowe]

You said thing when DOFP was just released and 1 year later, Stewart was announced to return in Wolverine 3 and Cudmore was offered the Deadpool role. Yeah so much "retirement".

And Apocalypse didn't suffer with nostalgia with the cast (because there was none)... it was a never ending call backs to the things that happened in the original trilogy and the over-usage of Magneto/Mystique (characters that you enjoyed in the first two First Class films) - I doubt anybody would want more callbacks to the events of the original trilogy in another original cast film.

If the new cast can't sell a film, they must go. Its simple as that. you don't know what to wait until they appeared in a great film and still didn't bank $$$, by then it would have been too late to save the franchise.

And are we still using Deadline's educated guess when it comes to box-office earnings when they couldn't even get TASM2's profit right?

There is plenty of room to turn it around because Apocalypse was clearly a sequel to FC and DOFP. It is time to start a new chapter.

I am not sure what alternative you are pitching: a reboot (which would be redundant since we have a new cast) or returning to the original cast? The original cast in their 50s without Hugh Jackman? It just is not going to happen.

 

[superweirdo87]

With respect to more movies with this cast, I don't think they have to be dropped because of how this movie did. Fox could trim the budget and bring in a new director and writer to do better. With modestly higher grosses and a budget in the 140-160M range, movies with this cast could work.

And if people are wondering how the movie does better, it's important to remember that good stories and storytelling can impact box office grosses.

http://deadline.com/2012/12/movie-profit-research-stars-directors-scripts-387497/

So, better reviews, word of mouth, and a more intriguing storyline could boost box office performance. With a more modest budget, it could work.

Studio profits are not about the number that a movie grosses alone. They are about the end to a mysterious equation that involves licensing, ancillary, revenues, gross, deals, and budgets.

 

[ApophènX]

There is plenty of room to turn it around because Apocalypse was clearly a sequel to FC and DOFP. It is time to start a new chapter.

It just is not going to happen.

Some don't get it, Kinberg even say they were gonna make an other movie with the FF cast and that movie was terrible. XMA hold up pretty well and set up a new cast of character, why would they change them now? So they can blow up all that XMA has done, and a reason it was messy and bold, to give both an ending and a beggining, to finish the cleaning started in DoFP. X-Men are solid, Professor X is back in full capacity and form, no more memory to cure and woman to free of obsessive controlling attitude. Let's just go on crazy X-Men adventure. No OT, no reboot, it's not going to happen. Don't raise your hope but, mostly, don't deny the goal of the last movie. What some are hoping they did with this movie is exactly what they setted up with XMA. Now it's wait and see, if the next movie doesn't get it then we can start to be angry anf for a good reason,

 

[Sithborg]

With how the summer is shaping up, I think Fox can consider Apocalypse a success. Good lord, is a lot of things doing bad.

 

[Iceman]

Some don't get it, Kinberg even say they were gonna make an other movie with the FF cast and that movie was terrible. XMA hold up pretty well and set up a new cast of character, why would they change them now? So they can blow up all that XMA has done, and a reason it was messy and bold, to give both an ending and a beggining, to finish the cleaning started in DoFP. X-Men are solid, Professor X is back in full capacity and form, no more memory to cure and woman to free of obsessive controlling attitude. Let's just go on crazy X-Men adventure. No OT, no reboot, it's not going to happen. Don't raise your hope but, mostly, don't deny the goal of the last movie. What some are hoping they did with this movie is exactly what they setted up with XMA. Now it's wait and see, if the next movie doesn't get it then we can start to be angry anf for a good reason,

The box office may have been (very) disappointing here but I want them to continue with the new guys and go on a 'crazy X-Men adventure' as you say (with some top new recruits too). Make a great X-film that also has great co-op action set pieces and allows for a trailer that is much better than what we've seen before from the series and they can start the move to bigger box office returns.

 

[GuestStar2004]

independence day 2 is struggling at the box office also

 

[ApophènX]

The box office may have been (very) disappointing here but I want them to continue with the new guys and go on a 'crazy X-Men adventure' as you say (with some top new recruits too). Make a great X-film that also has great co-op action set pieces and allows for a trailer that is much better than what we've seen before from the series and they can start the move to bigger box office returns.

I think it's clearly where it is going. They couldn't have a great team fight in Apocalypse because ... They weren't a team, they were not trained, they needed to come together and defeat the big bad father figure that haunted Charles and Erik and Wolverine since X1. And it did that heavenly in my opinion. The last shot is danger room, training time, team time, X-Men!

 

[Iceman]

independence day 2 is struggling at the box office also

No surprise there. It's suited to be an event film, not a natural ongoing franchise. Imagine how bad the films would get and how low the box office returns would be if they made as many sequels as there have been X-films. t:

I think it's clearly where it is going. They couldn't have a great team fight in Apocalypse because ... They weren't a team, they were not trained, they needed to come together and defeat the big bad father figure that haunted Charles and Erik and Wolverine since X1. And it did that heavenly in my opinion. The last shot is danger room, training time, team time, X-Men!

I hope so. It makes sense that they weren't ready for that in Apocalypse but teamwork and team moves have been underplayed in previous films too which is a shame. Like you say with that danger room ending there is hope they will go this route in the next film.

 

[ApophènX]

DoFP had some nice team work, mostly revolving around Blink hability to make portal. But appart that we only got FC and before Avenger the stake were not so high. Quicksilver scene are still unique and a real blast. I think some travelling sequence would work wonder in an X-Men movie, both in the mansion and in action. Imagine the gates opening and all the mutants using there powers in a day in the life at the mansion, the house of gifted coming alive! Maybe with acceleration and deceleration. They could merge some ideas from the Quicksilver sequence in team work it could blow away everything.

Making a sequence with three degree of depth, Quicksilver star at the last degree and there is some action in the two first on a different speed, Quicksilver catch up to the other part and pove forward to get close to the screen, as tile changes beetwen the far and the close.

 

[henzINNIT]

The way some folks are talking, you'd think we are experiencing an actual Apocalypse. Most likely, Fox are going to consider this a mild disappointment but will make use of their newly contracted cast and push forward.

A fairly safe and popular course of action would be to lure Matthew Vaughn back when he's done with Kingsman 2. It'd be a way to satisfy those who want to take a break from Singer, without "admitting defeat" and making any substantial changes.

 

[samsnee]

I say start fresh. No Vaughn, no Singer, no Kinberg. They've had their chances. This franchise needs newness behind the scenes, not just in front of it.

 

[Sithborg]

I think Vaughn would be better off with his own stuff. He doesn't strike me as a very franchise oriented person.

 

[DACrowe]

With how the summer is shaping up, I think Fox can consider Apocalypse a success. Good lord, is a lot of things doing bad.

Crazy to think Apocalypse is now looking like the second most successful live-action blockbuster of the summer. Presumably Jason Bourne and Suicide Squad will knock it down a peg, but at least Fox made enough money to make a sequel and regroup.

Neighbors 2: Bomb. Alice in Wonderland 2: Bomb. TMNT 2: Bomb. Legend of Tarzan: Bomb. Warcraft: Bomb (except for China!!!). Independence Day 2: Flop (that's like a slightly less bad version of a bomb, right?). Star Trek 3 looks like it could bomb as well. Ghostbusters is also in hot water.

Yikes, Steven Spielberg might have been right all along.

 

[Smilodon]

I think Vaughn would be better off with his own stuff. He doesn't strike me as a very franchise oriented person.

I can see Vaughn coming back, this franchise is basically where it was at X3 minus everyone being dead. Nothing is set in stone in terms of what comes next and he might find that freedom tantalizing.

Of course, he might've already has his X-Men fill and with the success he's had since then, he might just do other things. (Which admittedly, he's earned the right to)

 

[Sithborg]

Crazy to think Apocalypse is now looking like the second most successful live-action blockbuster of the summer. Presumably Jason Bourne and Suicide Squad will knock it down a peg, but at least Fox made enough money to make a sequel and regroup.

Neighbors 2: Bomb. Alice in Wonderland 2: Bomb. TMNT 2: Bomb. Legend of Tarzan: Bomb. Warcraft: Bomb (except for China!!!). Independence Day 2: Flop (that's like a slightly less bad version of a bomb, right?). Star Trek 3 looks like it could bomb as well. Ghostbusters is also in hot water.

Yikes, Steven Spielberg might have been right all along.

Even in China, there is issues. Especially when there is talk about Wanda, the company that owns Legendary, fudging the numbers for the theaters they own. And Warcraft pretty much hit a wall after the first 5 days.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I can see Vaughn coming back, this franchise is basically where it was at X3 minus everyone being dead. Nothing is set in stone in terms of what comes next and he might find that freedom tantalizing.

Of course, he might've already has his X-Men fill and with the success he's had since then, he might just do other things. (Which admittedly, he's earned the right to)

Yeah considering the market this film didn't do nearly as bad as some would say.

 

[superweirdo87]

DACrowe, I think it comes in #6, at best, Ghostbuster, Star Trek, Jason Bourne, and Suicide Squad will all knock down X-Men. Ghostbusters is tracking for 40-50M opening and it could have a 3+ multiplier. And the opening could be bolstered by decent to strong reviews. Star Trek also doesn't look like it will bomb. Also, Neighbors was no bomb. It made 50M off a 35M budget.

I wish Kinberg would go, but did you see his interviews? He's totally secure. His contract is solid, to the detriment of the X-films.

Vaughn started a franchise with Kingsman. Some see it as possible.

I would be okay with having Vaughn instead, but not thrilled.
Pros:
-Talented. Did strong work on First Class.
-Style.
-Familiarity with the franchise.
-Less risk of a disaster with Fantastic Four or X3.
Cons:
-It seems like audiences want fresh and familiar and unclear how much Vaughn can do there especially since he has worked on the movies before
-First Class was well liked by fans and critics but it was not terribly successful in commercial terms. That was not all on him. Nonetheless, it raises questions about whether his vision would strengthen the commercial appeal of the franchise.

 

[Sithborg]

Once again, Kinberg is a fine producer. It is his writing that is the issue, and can clearly be overcome.

As for those four movies, I think they are no where near guaranteed to make over $150 mil domestic.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't like X-Men in Space stories in the comic-books and I'm not sure how things would be different if you got someone like Simon Kinberg writing the script and Bryan Singer can't get over his fascination with Magneto/Mystique. Like great for him if they like those characters, but do I want to see Joker in every Batman films? Do I want to see Green Goblin in every Spider-Man film, no. And Magneto/Mystique have appeared in all team X-Men movies, its just over-kill especially when the other X-Men were wasted.

Going to space is not the solution. Its gonna give the series a new setting/backdrop, but if the story is poor and the audience knows that its just another prequel (prequel rarely do well at the box-office). People won't show up.

 

[DavidHaller]

Going to space is not the solution. Its gonna give the series a new setting/backdrop, but if the story is poor and the audience knows that its just another prequel (prequel rarely do well at the box-office). People won't show up.

mmmmh, what about bringing the old cast back instead?

 

[psylockolussus]

That would be better than getting these younger versions that couldn't maintain the momentum of the series? Yes. Say what you want about the original cast. But box-office records show that there was an increase from X1 to X2 to X3. Then took the series to another box-office high when they were brought back eight years later. I couldn't say that to the films that featured the First Class cast.

Crazy to think Apocalypse is now looking like the second most successful live-action blockbuster of the summer. Presumably Jason Bourne and Suicide Squad will knock it down a peg, but at least Fox made enough money to make a sequel and regroup.

Neighbors 2: Bomb. Alice in Wonderland 2: Bomb. TMNT 2: Bomb. Legend of Tarzan: Bomb. Warcraft: Bomb (except for China!!!). Independence Day 2: Flop (that's like a slightly less bad version of a bomb, right?). Star Trek 3 looks like it could bomb as well. Ghostbusters is also in hot water.

Yikes, Steven Spielberg might have been right all along.

More likely "2nd highest grossing" than "2nd most successful".

The Conjuring 2 is more successful IMO, than Apocalypse which was made for less than 50 million and earned 40 million in the opening weekend. While Apocalypse is not even gonna earn 178 million (which is Apocalypse's production budget) at the North America box-office.

Anyway, just because there are a lot of flops this summer, it doesn't mean, it would make Apocalypse more successful.

 

[Alison Blaire]

That would be better than getting these younger versions that couldn't maintain the momentum of the series? Yes. Say what you want about the original cast. But box-office records show that there was an increase from X1 to X2 to X3. Then took the series to another box-office high when they were brought back eight years later. I couldn't say that to the films that featured the First Class cast.