Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 6

They do need to work out a solid structure for all the movies going forward though. That is one thing Marvel and now DC seem to

what? There's no solid structure at all. More like falling.

what about using the present day movies to build into x-force, wolverine, deadpool and gambit.

introduce X-23 in wolverine 3 and she later joins the x-force team
cable in deadpool 2
sinister in gambit.

Too bad, we might get more films set in the past. Good luck to that James McAvoy led New Mutants movie.
 
I doubt new mutants will happen. I think it could be a good movie, but the commercial prospects do not look promising.
 
I think this Scott Mendelson column is worth reading:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...ypse-is-a-534-million-conundrum/#745b84655d26

The “pessimistic” scenario is that the X-Men franchise is only a top-tier blockbuster when Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine is somewhat centered along with at least supporting roles for Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart, and (arguably) Halle Berry. It may well be that general audiences took X-Men: Days of Future Past as a glorified X-Men 4. That makes some sense when you compare the “adjusted” grosses of X-Men, X2, and X-Men: The Last Stand with the three others (X-Men Origins: Wolverine, X-Men: First Class, and The Wolverine) that preceded Days of Future Past. Maybe a “new” X-Men franchise sans the original stars will never be a “top-tier” franchise.
And that’s okay. There is no law saying that every big franchise, even a once-dominant brand, has to remain king of the mountain for all time. A budget-conscious X-Men franchise, perhaps the X-Men: The New Mutants thing that Josh Boone is allegedly working on, could be the way of the future. A younger-skewing X-Men series, one that blended comic book superheroes with “young adult fantasy franchise” tropes, would be a nice way to keep the franchise rooted in character and away from the whole “Magneto has a sad and lifts stuff” thing that has very nearly killed this franchise. Once again, the franchise has to evolve or die.


I think this is roughly right. A better liked movie with more novelty could hopefully do somewhat better. But, 500M might be the range from here on out.
 
Present day X-Men movies could happen. Fox could reboot X-Men in the Deadpool timeline. They were unhappy with the Apocalypse performance. From a call with investors on their earnings report this quarter.

'But I'd be remiss if I didn't also recognize that while you need to measure the film business over a multi-year cycle, the recent three sequels we released clearly fell short of the expectations we had going into them. It is our goal to be far more consistent with this output."
 
I just think passing the torch to First Class or the prequel/younger version was just never a good idea even if the movies are actually that good or better than the OT. And it shows at the box-office, the moment Fox left out the OT again after DOFP - notable box-office drop occured in a X-Men team film, it didn't even outgross X1 in North America.


That cast cannot just replicate the success in North America that the OT cast had. Like they could have given Wolverine's torch as a lead to James Marsden or Halle Berry (especially Storm/Cyclops are the original squad leaders in the comics) instead of this younger version OR the OT cast could have given the torch to the cast of New Mutants or X-Force, with some of them cameoing in the films. But this prequel routine is just... this is not gonna work in the long run.
 
Personally i think there are several reasons why DOFP did well at the box office and the biggest factor of them all is curiosity, it had robots, time travel, terminator style future and past, the reviews were good, it was based on and used the same title of a well known comic and of course the cast cross over novelty

For me when it comes to the OC the wolverine is the biggest example of the OC not being fall proof and while people might say yeah but its a spin off so it won't make as much... it made quite abit less then the prequel Origins adjusted to inflation and wolverine is the head leading guy of the franchise for many so is it really an excuse? they even included famke in the trailer and made it clear she was in the movie so it tied in with the OT but FC actually made more in America then the wolverine.

it will be interesting to see wolverine 3 when it comes out because it suspect it will do better because people will be curious about the R rating

Like they could have given Wolverine's torch as a lead to James Marsden or Halle Berry

I question why anyone would have cared?
 
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I just think passing the torch to First Class or the prequel/younger version was just never a good idea even if the movies are actually that good or better than the OT. And it shows at the box-office, the moment Fox left out the OT again after DOFP - notable box-office drop occured in a X-Men team film, it didn't even outgross X1 in North America.


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do we have to say the same things over and over and over again in here? We got it...:whatever:. there are only five users in this forum. No need to be redundant.
 
Present day X-Men movies could happen. Fox could reboot X-Men in the Deadpool timeline.

Honestly that won't change anything, unless you throw in deadpool into the mix but then he has to stay there to make big bucks because the moment he ain't there people will be snooty and just say ah i'l wait for deadpool 3.

its like bandaging a wound without dissecting it first.
 
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I doubt new mutants will happen. I think it could be a good movie, but the commercial prospects do not look promising.

If WB and Marvel had that same mind set on guardians and suicide squad they wouldn't have found out that yeah these could actually make quite abit of money.

New mutants will be a tough one, it will depend on the way its done but it can't be just X-Men trainees, its gonna have to be its own thing
 
So surprise surprise Fox 2 Marvel films are going to be their highest grossers for the year at the box office. They need the x universe now more than ever. I am expecting more spin-offs announcements.
 
That cast cannot just replicate the success in North America that the OT cast had. Like they could have given Wolverine's torch as a lead to James Marsden or Halle Berry (especially Storm/Cyclops are the original squad leaders in the comics) instead of this younger version OR the OT cast could have given the torch to the cast of New Mutants or X-Force, with some of them cameoing in the films. But this prequel routine is just... this is not gonna work in the long run.

"the long run"??? At least this current cast has a shot at a long run.
 
what? There's no solid structure at all. More like falling.

Having seen Suicide Squad there is some structure. Man of Steel, BvS and Suicide Squad are linked, to some extent and all point towards Justice League.

The same approach needs to be taken with the now expanding X-Men movie universe.
 
X-men apocalypse has sorta done that with wolverine 3.

Plus Singer said mangold might be using caliban in the next wolverine movie as he wanted to add some connection to X-Men apocalypse
 
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The domestic box office for Apocalypse shows something is SERIOUSLY WRONG somewhere....

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=2016superhero.htm

maybe the audience over there is seriously wrong. With Trumpism on the rise, maybe the X-Men franchise does not fit the zeitgeist anymore. Maybe Superman, Batman, Captain America (!), Deadpool and Iron Man are the hyper-masculine superheroes the mainstream United States want and deserve?!

But the movie was also not able to attract the othe side of the political spectrum. Instead of highlighting the central socio-political aspect of the X-Men franchise, "X:A" was also a total letdown to articulate any political metaphorical dimension.The killing of Magneto's family could have been easily presented as a hate crime but instead it came across as an accident and barely showed the bigotory of the local police men (why not relate this scene to police killings of innocent black people in the US?). I felt like the political subtext was consciously diminished to produce a better mainstream blockbuster experience (but still failed to attract any larger audience)...maybe FOX tried to pander to white mainstream America and made the X-Men franchise more easily consumable than former movies like Days of Future Past...
 
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maybe the audience over there is seriously wrong. With Trumpism on the rise, maybe the X-Men franchise does not fit the zeitgeist anymore. Maybe Superman, Batman, Captain America (!), Deadpool and Iron Man are the hyper-masculine superheroes the mainstream United States want and deserve?!

Apocalypse did as well as first class did domesticly.Apocalypse is second lowest rated X-Men film while first class is second highest rated X-Men film.

There is no telling that gambit and new mutants will do as well as deadpool.

WB can promate any DC characters fully.Fox has limits since disney.marvel doesn't want X-Men to succeed.

Batman V Superman & surcide squad got a lot worse reviews than Apocalypse.Surcide squad on saturday and sunday already started to drop.
 
Its probably just the franchise in a nut shell right now as its been going since 2000 with not alot of change really and this is X-Men 6 technically so while this year you had WB and Marvel forcefully battling their shared universes trying to impress audiences i get the feeling FOX didn't try as hard to do that, they didn't pressure singer to add more action or use the colourful outfits or anything like that as it looks like they gave him quite abit of freedom to do what he wanted so it felt less like it was fishing for the audience and more wanting to just complete the trilogy and rounding out all 6 movies

I still think coming after BVS and Civil war probably made X-Men look less impressive in terms of audience emotional investment
 
maybe the audience over there is seriously wrong. With Trumpism on the rise, maybe the X-Men franchise does not fit the zeitgeist anymore. Maybe Superman, Batman, Captain America (!), Deadpool and Iron Man are the hyper-masculine superheroes the mainstream United States want and deserve?!

But the movie was also not able to attract the othe side of the political spectrum. Instead of highlighting the central socio-political aspect of the X-Men franchise, "X:A" was also a total letdown to articulate any political metaphorical dimension.The killing of Magneto's family could have been easily presented as a hate crime but instead it came across as an accident and barely showed the bigotory of the local police men (why not relate this scene to police killings of innocent black people in the US?). I felt like the political subtext was consciously diminished to produce a better mainstream blockbuster experience (but still failed to attract any larger audience)...maybe FOX tried to pander to white mainstream America and made the X-Men franchise more easily consumable...

I think this is a serious reach, but I think you're touching on something interesting here.

It seems the cultural zeitgeist in the US is nostalgia and 'fun'. I've seen so many reviews of the CBMs this year, and the 'fun' word keeps cropping up. CBMs are held by the yardstick of being fun, and if they are not colourful or quippy, their esteem go down slightly in people's eyes. We all know how much people are in love with the quippyness of Iron Man, Spider Man, the Guardians of the Galaxy crew, Deadpool especially, etc. People in America it seems, want comic book movies to not be ashamed that they are comic book movies.

I personally find it very strange. In past years being 'fun' was not such a big deal as it is now. I think what's happening is that the cultural zeitgeist now is all about the geek culture, and all the childhood loves, which means people now want things that resemble the cartoons they watched from childhood and the sheer joy of being a superhero that kids had when they watched those cartoons or read the comics. X-Men never had that sheer joy. The closest was First Class, and see how some people claim it to be the only good X-Men film?

As someone who did not grow up in the U.S., I didn't grow up with superheroes and all that and so never had the expectation that superheroes should be 'fun'. And speaking from personal experience, all my friends who similarly did not grow up in the U.S. had no problems with the dourness of movies like BvS. They want to be entertained, regardless whether it's fun or not, with some even saying the comedy in the MCU movies is a little too much sometimes.

So it's interesting. Part of the reason why I think X-Men is declining in the U.S., but still performing solidly in other regions is because of the cultural zeitgeist of 'fun'. The X-Men movies so far have not established themselves to be fun movies, although Quicksilver is bringing a little of that to the franchise. It's telling that he is considered the best part of Apocalypse. Of course this is not the only reason, and may only be a small contributing factor, but I think it's interesting to think about.

Also, the lack of political themes in Apocalypse is down to writing more than anything. Kinberg and Singer have very interesting things to say, but none of that translate onscreen.
 
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so why did "X:A" did not feel like a Singer X-Men movie AT ALL?

He is the director, it doesn't matter why you feel that it didn't feel like a bryan singer movie as its still a bryan singer directed movie.

its likely this was his attempt at making a bigger film since he said in an interview he had done stuff with this film he had never done before.

Kinberg also said bryan was sensitive to the mass destruction part of the film so thats why you mostly see cars and crates being sucked up.
 
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I remember that Sara Ahmed writes a lot about the expectation of happiness in minority discourses. She describes how negative feelings are often read as backwards, stubborn and conservative while good feelings are regarded as somehow forward and progressive. Bad feelings are seen as a kind of stubbornness that ‘stops’ the subject from embracing the future. Good feelings on the other hand are associated here with moving up and getting out:

“I am not saying that feminist, anti-racist, and queer politics do not have anything to say about happiness other than to point to its unhappy effects. I think it is the very exposure of these unhappy effects that is affirmative, that gives us an alternative set of imaginings of what might count as a good or better life. If injustice does have unhappy effects, then the story does not end there. Unhappiness is not our endpoint. If anything, the experience of being alienated from the affective promise of happy objects gets us somewhere. Affect aliens can do things, for sure, by refusing to put bad feelings to one side in the hope that we can ‘just get along’.”

Ahmed, Sara: Happy Objects, 2010.

We can relate this perspective to Singer's 'queer' take on the X-Men franchise which surely lacks a certain lightness and fun in comparison to MARVEL's superhero universe.
 
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It seems the cultural zeitgeist in the US is nostalgia and 'fun'. I've seen so many reviews of the CBMs this year, and the 'fun' word keeps cropping up. CBMs are held by the yardstick of being fun.

Maybe they need to inject abit more fun in the next X-Men movie, there is certainly a reason why the quicksilver sequences stand out every time.

There was probably more humour in X-Men: Apocalypse though with nightcrawler and quicksilver so they kinda had the right idea.
 
He is the director, it doesn't matter why you feel that it didn't feel like a bryan singer movie as its still a bryan singer directed movie.

its likely this was his attempt at making a bigger film since he said in an interview he had done stuff with this film he had never done before.

Kinberg also said bryan was sensitive to the mass destruction part of the film so thats why you most see cars and crates being sucked up.

but studios highly police these blockbuster movies.

Every blockbuster movie is a tug-of-war between director and studio! We have thousands of examples for these conflicts every year. I wouldn't be so naive to believe everything directors are saying in interviews. I think it is more interesting to analyse what they actually deliver...
 
Maybe they need to inject abit more fun in the next X-Men movie, there is certainly a reason why the quicksilver sequences stand out every time.

There was probably more humour in X-Men: Apocalypse though with nightcrawler and quicksilver so they kinda had the right idea.

more fun equals in my eyes to pander to white mainstream America so it can forget the socio-political aspect of the franchise and just have a good time.

Maybe we need to stop to pretend that the X-Men is a superhero franchise like any other. It is not! There are fundamental differences between The Avengers/JLA and the X-Men! It is important to keep these aspects alive. We need again a director with a minority background to understand the source material properly.

As long as the socio-political aspect is part of the franchise, it should not be fun and light.
 
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