Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[Mad Ones]

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[Majik1387]

Why do so many think/suggest Jubilee's gonna die? She used to be annoying in the cartoon I get it, but seriously?

Bunch of negative nancies

 

[BMM]

I don't think it has anything to do with people disliking Jubilee and everything to do with her not being seen in pictures that seemingly feature the entire team in what is presumably the final battle of the film.

 

[JP]

We're assuming Jubilee is part of the team.

 

[BMM]

True.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yeah i don't think anyone should "die" in this film... I don't think you need to kill anyone to make things a threat or to add seriousness to a film..

and i don't see jubilee being an equal team member... even in the books up until recently.. has she even seemed like a full fledged team member.. just the youngster tag-along..

so I see her staying with the students

 

[The Guard]

I kind of like how Apocalypse can look either more human or more than human depending on the angles.

How can these uniforms look clunky and worse than the OT's costumes in the first film from 2000 (and that film had a significantly smaller budget than this one)? How is that possible?

While I don't think they're great designs, it makes sense conceptually. In terms of design and timeline, these black armor suits were designed something like two decades before the sleeker, more detailed suits we see in X-MEN and X2, so whoever did it probably hasn't quite mastered the art of superhero costumes. I would expect what is essentially body armor designed in the 80's to look clunky and worse than body armor from the Not So Distant Future.

 

[The Guard]

Why do so many think/suggest Jubilee's gonna die? She used to be annoying in the cartoon I get it, but seriously?

Bunch of negative nancies

Maybe she'll die and come back as a vampire.

Nah, that would be silly.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I kind of like how Apocalypse can look either more human or more than human depending on the angles.



While I don't think they're great designs, it makes sense conceptually. In terms of design and timeline, these black armor suits were designed something like two decades before the sleeker, more detailed suits we see in X-MEN and X2, so whoever did it probably hasn't quite mastered the art of superhero costumes. I would expect what is essentially body armor designed in the 80's to look clunky and worse than body armor from the Not So Distant Future.

and i don't think anyone is arguing that the suits don't make sense.. it's just not needed to be that way in this day in age. I don't think it ads anything personally.. the only team of X-men i think of being tactical and wearing covert uniforms is X-force..

me personally? for the main X-men team i think it's better (and less threatening) PR to have colorful "friendly" uniforms for the public than dark militarized tactical gear. and good public relations is certainly one thing the X-men usually try to strive for.

 

[Frankeh]

2.) They look like s***. Like seriously. All kinds of nope-nope-nope going on there. Can someone please tell me what is FOX's obsession with giving all of their comic heroes these black, uninspired costumes? They just did the same thing in that horribly received Fant4stic "movie" too. How can these uniforms look clunky and worse than the OT's costumes in the first film from 2000 (and that film had a significantly smaller budget than this one)? How is that possible?

It's also unacceptable because a much minor FOX comic-book movie has its hero in a comic-accurate costume (Deadpool). In the Yahoo Q&A Singer mentioned that as a team they wear matching flight-suits, and that's kind of an outdated "grounded" view on a superhero team because we've already seen distinctive costumes working pretty well in the Avengers (and it will probably happen in BvS too). I hear the "you may be surprised" "they're not a team yet" arguments, but they could've come up with excuses just as good as those to have them show up in colorful costumes.

I'm really grateful for the Horsemen getting comic-accurate costumes, but if it came down to a choice, I would've preferred them getting the pitch black armors over the heroes the movie's supposed to be about. No wonder Psylocke, Magneto and Apoc got the EW cover.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

X-Men are a team though whereas Avengers and Justice League are a Team-Up.

Those characters have their solo costumes and then team-up occasionally to fight a big threat and go back to solo outings where's X-Men aren't solo heroes, aside from Wolverine, but are a team all the time.

I'd much prefer more colour and distinctiveness and hope we get some but Teams wear matching uniforms from Sports to Military, the concept is likely taken from that and isn't outdated.

Regarding the team thing, yeah Avengers is a team, but they're a team of individuals joining together; the X-Men are purely a team, no individual off shoots save for Wolverine cash grabs.
Just have to state how I feel on that team comparison.

Bingo

 

[Mr. Youtube]

It's the angle... and the lighting. That's it.

No, there is some CGI in there, but overall, like 90%, it is the angle and the lighting. It's the same design because it looks the exact same.

I just pointed some things that I think it changed a lil bit with some CGI effects or whatever. I dunno why u guys made it like a war here but ok.

For me Apocs its the same as in the Empire magazine pictures. But with some small changes like his "ear".

I don't know, but it really seems they made some subtle changes, that not alter his first look.

I feel like addressing this one in particular. Have you realized that his face isn't at the same angle? He's looking up in the new picture, that amounts to everything. The only changes are subtle CGI edits that are minuscule.

Also, just to put it right here and now. It really doesn't matter. You can point out differences and all as much as you want, it won't matter. Do you want to know why? Until you get a picture that proves this is a new design, it is the same old design. Why? Get me a picture of this "new design" where Apocalypse is posed in the exact same way he was in previously released pictures.

 

[kevork89]

I think it's good to note, even though it has MANY times before, that they have said Apocalypse is a mix of practical and cgi effects. So yeah they might add more cgi effects to him compared to what we have seen in those on set photos. Because they were just photos taken on set and don't have the other stuff added on. So no. Fox and Bryan aren't changing the look of Apocalypse because of fan complaint. It's just that what we had seen hasn't had any other effects added on yet.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Why do so many think/suggest Jubilee's gonna die? She used to be annoying in the cartoon I get it, but seriously?

Bunch of negative nancies

Because we've seen pictures of all the new X-Men (and some old) suited up..... except for her.

It's only natural that people are worrying that she dies, or just doesn't join the team.

It's more than whether or not people like her.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

I'm glad that people are happy with the look.

It is just slightly annoying to see some who were so hard on Apocalypse, on so many, many other things than what is highlighted on that screen, suddenly start praising it, as if their other complaints are forgotten.

Especially on the eyes, as I'm not convinced that is a finished product.

The thing is, you of all people should understand this. You loved the first look and highlighted that point because you said your favorite look was without the pronounced lips. Now in this pic he has a much more pronounced lip line. To many Apoc fans, including my self, that is HUGE. So don't act so surprised, and dont act like nothing has changed. What you liked about the first pic (lack of lips) has now been corrected. This is an obvious reaction by fans of this look. That alone makes such a huge difference. Lack of seeable lips to lips! Even Endzone said "Hello Lips" when he saw pics of Apoc...he stated this because in the previous pics it was not evident.

So lets recap, people get mad when others complain about the movie, then those same people complain that the complainers aren't complaining anymore?!?!?! WTF?!?! Who are the real complainers? Doesn't get any more petty than this.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

You mean the "fans" who think Singer was doing damage control by desperately changing the 'original' design and then leaked the picture himself to make them happy?

The people who complained with the original picture did not take in consideration that A) He wasn't actually purple B) That eventually it was gonna be enhanced with CGI anyway. They dismissed it right away without giving it the benefit of the doubt.

It can't possibly be that Singer always intended for him to look like that, no, he doesn't deserve credit. The fans loved the leaked pic so it cannot possibly be the same design as the first look we got because they hated that one...

I complained, but I always said "I hope this isn't what its going to be like" "I hope they enhance with CGI like Thanos".

I got killed for my hope of that. I never heard any of the pro Ooze crowd saying "Oh don't worry Nur, they are definitely going to enhance his facial features with CGI"

I did hear a lot of, "deal with it, this is it, CGI enhancements don't follow the tone of Singer's work and wouldn't make sense."

"Singer isn't going with the Original Apoc look, Isaacs will carry the role regardless"

So you talking about the guarantee of facial CGI enhancement is great and all, I just never heard it from the pro Ooze crowd.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

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lol

 

[En Sabah Nur]

You are a goddamn idiot. I never said that. I said that the lack of the lip never bothered me. Which in your twisted all or nothing, "one true fan" mind, means I love the no lip look. The color never bothered me, because I was smart enough to realize that there was lighting issues going on. And the lack of lips never bothered me, so I obviously loved their lack of inclusion.

What is beyond my understanding is how people are treating this as a 180 change in direction in the look. Once we actually saw the physical outlines of the lips on the make up, it was a reasonable guess that they might, just might, be added in post production. And look, they did. All the details of the armor and cowl are still there, so did peoples issues with those mysteriously disapear because of the addition of half the lips and probably a temporary blanking of the eyes.

That said, I do like the different angle. Really like the cowl like effect the cables bring.

For arguments sake I'm not going to argue with you on what you liked. But you made my point. The picture went from "lack of lips" to "Hello Lips". That is a huge difference to fans of APOC. I even said that if they just added the lip line, I would be good. So I dont know what it is all you people can't understand about why people are liking Apoc's look now. "WE CLEARLY SEE BIG BLUE LIPS" That was huge to us and beyond your comprehension I guess.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

I just pointed some things that I think it changed a lil bit with some CGI effects or whatever. I dunno why u guys made it like a war here but ok.

For me Apocs its the same as in the Empire magazine pictures. But with some small changes like his "ear".

I don't know, but it really seems they made some subtle changes, that not alter his first look.

Yes I mentioned both of these. You went above and beyond and showed the pics. Its not EXACTLY the same. More prominent lips, and an ear piece mad a huge difference. Thanks for pointing this out. No lips on Apoc is like no claws for Wolverine.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

I do have a random question;

Are the leaked pics even allowed to be posted here? I mean I keep on seeing them, but usually leaked pics like that tend to be taken down. Or does Fox not care much at this point about it?

What a square. Is this what happens when you don't get your way? You start crying? Poor baby. My goodness...this is very sad and pathetic. You want to tell on somebody so bad. First people are wrong cause he says so, now pictures are up that he doesn't what up to he's lobbying to get them taken down. Your parents needed to tell you no more.

 

[Majik1387]

En Sabah Nur, I'm gonna give you some helpful advice.

That middle button at the bottom of post, between the Quote button and the Quick reply button on the right, is the Multi-Quote button. You just read through and click it on posts you'd like to reply to, and you'll be able to respond to all those posters in one post.


And I only asked of the leaked photos because sometimes they are ban-worthy to post them due to copyright issues. Was actually looking out for other posters posting them, not to tell on everyone here to Fox Studios.
I got my way from the first pictures in EW and I'm continuing to get my way with the leaked pics.

 

[Psycho Haller]

I feel like addressing this one in particular. Have you realized that his face isn't at the same angle? He's looking up in the new picture, that amounts to everything. The only changes are subtle CGI edits that are minuscule.

Also, just to put it right here and now. It really doesn't matter. You can point out differences and all as much as you want, it won't matter. Do you want to know why? Until you get a picture that proves this is a new design, it is the same old design. Why? Get me a picture of this "new design" where Apocalypse is posed in the exact same way he was in previously released pictures.

I see... I didn't noticed his face isn't in the same angle and how it can affect. Maybe thats it.

I also think it's the same look, since the pic leaked. But I also think there is a lil bit of CGI. Not enough to make people change their minds about his look but ok, it made it lol.

And I really don't need a pic to show if something changed or not, because this is not my point and it wasn't what I was trying to do when I brought this pic. I was just showing my opinion on what I was seeing. I wasn't trying to change anyones thought.

But thanks for helping me see it in a different way.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

I've seen the pics finally. My thoughts?

1.) Apocalypse looks amazing. I never bought into the Ivan Ooze talk, but I did have to admit that the early photos did not capture the character's classic appearance. This is a step in the right direction. In response to all of the arguing on this thread over the last few pages/days--I don't give a damn WHAT the reason is they've updated his look. The point is, they're doing it. And that's good. I'm so happy to see his look more closely resembling his comic roots. Which...um...brings me to the X-Men uniforms.

2.) They look like s***. Like seriously. All kinds of nope-nope-nope going on there. Can someone please tell me what is FOX's obsession with giving all of their comic heroes these black, uninspired costumes? They just did the same thing in that horribly received Fant4stic "movie" too. How can these uniforms look clunky and worse than the OT's costumes in the first film from 2000 (and that film had a significantly smaller budget than this one)? How is that possible?

One step forward, five steps back. *sigh*

Couldn't agree more with the bold. But now your gonna get killed for seeing a change and not thinking it looks EXACTLY the same.

As far as the X-men outfits go, I stick by what I said in my very first post. As long as they get my favorite character Apoc right, I'm not even concerned about the rest and I will not complain. But if you hold some of the other characters in the same regard as I hold Apoc, then I'm sorry that the outfits disappoint so greatly.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

i never believed he looked purple. But his lips do appear much fuller to me. In the previous photos i could still see the actor's likeness even through the make-up. Now i can't see a vestige of oscar whatsoever. It could be the angle. It could be cgi. I don't care. It's better than it was and i'll take it.

bingo!!!!

 

[Psycho Haller]

I just want to understand why people are getting offended on whether Apocs has been through CGI changes or not...

Will it change your lifes? Or make you better than anyone? lol

Chill out, people!