Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 40

[GuestStar2004]

i am kinda confused why people think taking the new cast to the present/future will fix anything, very puzzled about that, its like an illusional fix where its the first thing people think of to fix it but it wouldn't change anything at all accept just make the audience even more confused by the whole timeline stuff, plus deadpool wouldn't always be part of X-Men beyond one movie and probably best not too because he would become the face of the X-Men very easy otherwise and then it would give people more to complain about when people can't accept a movie with the X-Men without deadpool there.

Being set in the 80s or 90s doesn't matter at all, wouldn't change anything and would be structurally the same.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think Proteus could be a more fresh villain, instead of going for Sinister right after Apocalypse. They could keep on hinting at him and use him in the third movie with the new young cast.

Being Moira's son and the unique danger of his powers has a lot of potential, story-wise and action-wise. How to deal with Proteus could be a great source of conflict. Muir Island could also be a interesting setting.

I don't think they will use him.without singer X-men is likely going into MCU or deadpool direction.

 

[marvelrobbins]

i am kinda confused why people think taking the new cast to the present/future will fix anything, very puzzled about that, its like an illusional fix where its the first thing people think of to fix it but it wouldn't change anything at all accept just make the audience even more confused by the whole timeline stuff, plus deadpool wouldn't always be part of X-Men beyond one movie and probably best not too because he would become the face of the X-Men very easy otherwise and then it would give people more to complain about when people can't accept a movie with the X-Men without deadpool there.

Being set in the 80s or 90s doesn't matter at all, wouldn't change anything and would be structurally the same.

they want young X-men cast in present so they can interact with deadpool.

 

[GuestStar2004]

yeah the thought of interacting with deadpool is cool but its something that would only be cool the one time before we went into the OT wolverine direction where FOX are to paranoid for him not to be there.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Setting them in a time where they can interact with other teams and mutant heroes expands and enriches the franchise.

 

[Serpico Jones]

i am kinda confused why people think taking the new cast to the present/future will fix anything, very puzzled about that, its like an illusional fix where its the first thing people think of to fix it but it wouldn't change anything at all accept just make the audience even more confused by the whole timeline stuff, plus deadpool wouldn't always be part of X-Men beyond one movie and probably best not too because he would become the face of the X-Men very easy otherwise and then it would give people more to complain about when people can't accept a movie with the X-Men without deadpool there.

Being set in the 80s or 90s doesn't matter at all, wouldn't change anything and would be structurally the same.

It would be a semi-reboot like First Class. New director with different cast.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It would be a semi-reboot like First Class. New director with different cast.

they could do the same thing with the next movie with the new cast though, its all set up to head off in whatever direction they want.

 

[Serpico Jones]

they could do the same thing with the next movie with the new cast though, its all set up to head off in whatever direction they want.

If it were me I would stick with this cast but I'm not sure what Fox I going to do with this situation.

 

[Matt]

i am kinda confused why people think taking the new cast to the present/future will fix anything, very puzzled about that, its like an illusional fix where its the first thing people think of to fix it but it wouldn't change anything at all accept just make the audience even more confused by the whole timeline stuff, plus deadpool wouldn't always be part of X-Men beyond one movie and probably best not too because he would become the face of the X-Men very easy otherwise and then it would give people more to complain about when people can't accept a movie with the X-Men without deadpool there.

Being set in the 80s or 90s doesn't matter at all, wouldn't change anything and would be structurally the same.

Yeah, I'm not sure I get that either. Being set in the 80s really did nothing for this movie. First Class really utilized its position as a period piece, both thematically in terms of the Cold War and the Civil Rights movement and from a plot perspective.

Days of Future Past was set in the past, obviously due to time travel...but the period was not really featured in the same way it was in First Class. If anything, it was an obstacle as Trask's technology was decades ahead of the 70s. Its hard to make a visually compelling and threatening sentinel with 70s-tech. As such, they looked silly. Singer tried to use the time period in the same way Vaughn did with First Class but failed. Rather than feeling like a natural fit (the Hellfire Club's attempt to invoke nuclear war through the Cuban Missile Crisis), we had a silly, tacked on subplot in which Magneto may or may not have been the second Kennedy shooter and President Kennedy was apparently a mutant. None of the themes of that time period that should've have been used (such as the Civil Rights Movement) were employed.

In X-Men Apocalypse the only thing that keeps us cognizant of the decade is the clothing and some use of music.

 

[GuestStar2004]

If it were me I would stick with this cast but I'm not sure what Fox I going to do with this situation.

Well audience don't hate this cast so throwing them away would be a waste of talent, they would be throwing away evan peters as quicksilver one of the highlights of the movie and they pretty much would be throwing away their chance to do pheonix again... well unless we jump 30 years in the future before her powers decide they exist again ;p

Its an easy to fix situation it just requires some fresh creative and clever thinking to catch the audience curiosity but jumping to the present with the new cast would be the quickest way to give the audience more fatigue

 

[marvelrobbins]

Well audience don't hate this cast so throwing them away would be a waste of talent, they would be throwing away evan peters as quicksilver one of the highlights of the movie and they pretty much would be throwing away their chance to do pheonix again... well unless we jump 30 years in the future before her powers decide they exist again ;p

Its an easy to fix situation it just requires some fresh creative and clever thinking to catch the audience curiosity but jumping to the present with the new cast would be the quickest way to give the audience more fatigue

oods are they have another X-men film come out in 4 years with apocalypse cast+Mcavoy,maybe peters with kinberg writing and a new director.

don't know if they will do phoenix.Kinberg seems to want to do it but it depends on who replaces Singer.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Psylocke, Jean Grey and Magneto were the highlight for me I mean standouts. but yeah, okay. lols. I didn't think I was going to enjoy the movie but after seeing it all...it was great. Definitely great...and I just recalled what Essex corp is all about and I believe...its a set up for Sinister...right? Oh man...if so, Fox don't screw this up even more okay? Apocalypse may have brought me back to the world of X-Men, at least for now but please for the love of all things X-Men, don't screw the next ones up. Please I can see you're trying...and it shows...I know its not going to be as near perfect to the MCU but man, I ask cause I have let go of some of my mix feelings on the past x-films and just want to forget they ever existed.

 

[X-Maniac]

oods are they have another X-men film come out in 4 years with apocalypse cast+Mcavoy,maybe peters with kinberg writing and a new director.

don't know if they will do phoenix.Kinberg seems to want to do it but it depends on who replaces Singer.

I really don't think they will do the Dark Phoenix Saga.

1) They already did it (although not as satisfactorily as people wanted, in X3)

2) We just met Sophie's Jean - do we want her to sacrifice her life on the moon already?

3) This franchise has gone about as far as it can go with epic scale and tons of CGI. I'm not sure they could pull off a full-scale space opera. Not with the current filmmaking regime.

4) Critics and audiences will want a break from the epic-scale CGI stuff after Apocalypse.

At first I thought outer space was the natural next step, now I'm really doubtful about that.

 

[Havok83]

I really don't think they will do the Dark Phoenix Saga.

1) They already did it (although not as satisfactorily as people wanted, in X3)

2) We just met Sophie's Jean - do we want her to sacrifice her life on the moon already?

We just met her and she's [BLACKOUT]ALREADY Phoenix.[/BLACKOUT] Seems they rushed this so they can move forward with a Dark Phoenix story soon. And Singer never did the DPS. Someone else attempted and messed it up in X3. He has reason to want to do that story and has mentioned that. I dont think he will shy away from it just bc a variation of it appeared in X3.

 

[X-Maniac]

We just met her and she's [BLACKOUT]ALREADY Phoenix.[/BLACKOUT] Seems they rushed this so they can move forward with a Dark Phoenix story soon. And Singer never did the DPS. Someone else attempted and messed it up in X3. He has reason to want to do that story and has mentioned that. I dont think he will shy away from it just bc a variation of it appeared in X3.

I really wonder if audiences and critics will warm to it.

We've already heard countless reviews mention that there was nothing fresh in XM:A, it was all stuff recycled from before. So recyling/redoing the DPS is risky, I think. You gotta step outside the geek bubble on this and think how Mr/Mrs Average thinks. Not want them to redo something because it wasn't done right before.

 

[X Knight]

at this point, I'm looking forward more to the New Mutants and X Force movies than I am to another mainline X film.

 

[Iceman]

We just met her and she's [BLACKOUT]ALREADY Phoenix.[/BLACKOUT] Seems they rushed this so they can move forward with a Dark Phoenix story soon. And Singer never did the DPS. Someone else attempted and messed it up in X3. He has reason to want to do that story and has mentioned that. I dont think he will shy away from it just bc a variation of it appeared in X3.

He can't right his mistake by doing that story now. X3 was the time to do it but he wasted that opportunity to do a different failed project. Probably one of the worst decisions of his career and the X-film universe still hasn't recovered. DP can still work, especially if Jean survives this time, but I think we need more time to pass so the GA don't reject it.

 

[X-Maniac]

at this point, I'm looking forward more to the New Mutants and X Force movies than I am to another mainline X film.

I WOULD like to see Jean, Scott, Storm, Nightcrawler and Jubilee on more adventures and the return of Psylocke. Xavier has to be there of course.

Not fussed about Beast, Quicksilver, Mystique or Magneto.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I agree... give it time and a proper Dark Phoenix story will be done justice enough to make most of us forget that version in X3 never happened.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm discouraged that Bryan & Co. seem to believe that the Dark Phoenix and Magneto storyline regurgitations are the only things they can do with this franchise.

What about Savage Land? Imagine a cinematic treatment of THAT. And that's just one of many rich stories they could tell. FOX is like a rear-wheel drive car stuck in a snow filled ditch: instead of driving forward they just keep reversing (literally--the 60s, 70s and now the 80s) and sinking deeper and deeper in the mess of their own making.

 

[BeholdMe]

i am kinda confused why people think taking the new cast to the present/future will fix anything, very puzzled about that, its like an illusional fix where its the first thing people think of to fix it but it wouldn't change anything at all accept just make the audience even more confused by the whole timeline stuff, plus deadpool wouldn't always be part of X-Men beyond one movie and probably best not too because he would become the face of the X-Men very easy otherwise and then it would give people more to complain about when people can't accept a movie with the X-Men without deadpool there.

Being set in the 80s or 90s doesn't matter at all, wouldn't change anything and would be structurally the same.

Exactly it won't solve anything whatsoever with a bad plot or transparent storylines. What matters is a good story being told not a time period people should understand that won't change anything. Apocalypse being set in the present would've changed nothing, The Horsemen would have still gotten shortchanged for Magneto, Jubilee still would have had all her lines cut and the storyline would still be inconsistent at times.

 

[BeholdMe]

Nobody has a budget for that anymore. People are already complaining about Thanos before his movie has even arrived. I've heard a lot of "Guess I'll have to do this myself (but first I'll sit around in my space throne for 12 movies before I show up)". The two parters are gimmicks and only work if there is proven economical return.

Remember your creative writing teacher telling you you had to cut material to meet a page limit, otherwise you get a warning if not a deduction? Sometimes you just have to work with what you have in the limited time frame of major motion picture story telling.

Apocalypse was butchered. We have to move on. We can complain if they **** it up again in the next reboot or time travel.

What are you talking about yes Apocalypse was butchered because it was to much to fit into one movie they should've taken a different approach with a different villian it was just to many moving characters to play with. The movie literally just came out people aren't just going to move on so quickly it's fresh in our heads and I never said I disliked the movie. If you read my posts I actually enjoyed the movie quite a bit and saw it 4x it was just a few things that I feel drug the movie out and really shouldn't have happened that I wasn't pleased about. I do want them to continue forward because after seeing the movie I have high hopes the next one will be great it's just I would prefer a new creative team but I do love the chances they took with this movie.

 

[Mad Ones]

I'm discouraged that Bryan & Co. seem to believe that the Dark Phoenix and Magneto storyline regurgitations are the only things they can do with this franchise.

What about Savage Land? Imagine a cinematic treatment of THAT. And that's just one of many rich stories they could tell. FOX is like a rear-wheel drive car stuck in a snow filled ditch: instead of driving forward they just keep reversing (literally--the 60s, 70s and now the 80s) and sinking deeper and deeper in the mess of their own making.

I actually can't. The Savage Land stuff is always the most boring in the comics.

 

[terry78]

Speaking of Savage Land, I feel a Netflix Ka-Zar is in order.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I actually can't. The Savage Land stuff is always the most boring in the comics.

Well, it'd be more exciting than the s*** we're getting now.