Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[jaymes_e06]

X-Men will not be rebooted...

 

[psylockolussus]

@Havok83, they should probably let go of FF's movie rights at this point. Just with the over-all reception of the 2015 film, I would be very surprised if they go ahead for a third try.

It takes time and money to create a movie and IMO, they should save it for a X-Men movie which is their more successful Marvel property.

 

[superweirdo87]

I don't really think a reboot is "completely" necissary..

There's litterally nothing tying Deadpool to the Singer-verse currently... but one thing they did also use.. was a SHIELD hellicarrier.. which already gives it leeway into the MCU.

A reboot of the X-Men *is* completely necessary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiWZ_l7fgC0

Nothing ties Deadpool into the Singer-verse currently. But, if they do an X-Force movie where the world knows about mutants and some hate, fear, and a few exploit them, then Deadpool and X-Force are established in a timeline where the world knows about mutants.

 

[Zarex]

If they dont do something with FF, they will lose the rights to the movie license. They already have 4 X-men based films in the pipeline, so they dont really need to worry about rushing to start working on another X-men film. They have some time but they better be thinking of where to go with the FF next

The only place the FF going is back to Marvel.

 

[YoungBlood]

Wasn't the hellicarrier just an easter egg?

 

[Rorschach2012]

I honestly think a MCU X-Men is just a matter of time. This franchise has run out of steam, time to reboot. They're gonna look at Spider-Man Homecoming before they decide, but expect an announcement soon after that movie is released

 

[psylockolussus]

I would like to see MCU Fantastic Four before MCU X-Men. But I hope if Marvel gets the rights eventually, it would work out very well and that the films would be marvelous. . Though I would like for the X-Men to be set in a separate universe, I just don't know how could they shoehorn mutants in Phase 5 without doing some major retcon that mutants existed all this time. Then for the cross-over, introduce alternate-reality travel that they keep doing in the comics.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't think Deadpool is going to be untouched from the other films for very long though. But I mean, the FC happens in the past so it's not like it's hard to course correct to make sure things just end up looking like what Deadpool/Wolverine (esp with all the X-23 rumors) end up doing in the films, which is what they're doing. That's basically what they do with the contrived decade jumps anyways.

The Helicarrier isn't also an actual Helicarrier. It's a tongue in cheek joke as Miller said iirc, but not an actual one. Like the Feige namedrop. Just a joke. Obviously it can be retconned if they ever wanted to, but I don't think they will with X-Force on the horizon.

We will see.. even if X-force is coming it doesn't really mean even that is tied into the Singer-verse unless other singerverse actors return.

But as for the helicarrier it most certainly was a SHIELD hellicarrier... the concept art even had the SHIELD logos on it.. but they were removed to not get the studio into any trouble. The inclusion of HYDRA Bob was the more tongue and cheek cameo

 

[spideyboy_1111]

A reboot of the X-Men *is* completely necessary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiWZ_l7fgC0

Nothing ties Deadpool into the Singer-verse currently. But, if they do an X-Force movie where the world knows about mutants and some hate, fear, and a few exploit them, then Deadpool and X-Force are established in a timeline where the world knows about mutants.

lets just wait to see if/when X-force gets made.. alot can change

 

[GuestStar2004]

Course X-FORCE is gonna get made, no reason why it won't, while deadpool is holding himself up he can hold up X-FORCE also.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I would like to see MCU Fantastic Four before MCU X-Men. But I hope if Marvel gets the rights eventually, it would work out very well and that the films would be marvelous. . Though I would like for the X-Men to be set in a separate universe, I just don't know how could they shoehorn mutants in Phase 5 without doing some major retcon that mutants existed all this time. Then for the cross-over, introduce alternate-reality travel that they keep doing in the comics.

the MCU phase 4 really couldn't be a more perfect time to include the Fantastic Four... especially now that spidey is a part of the MCU, Black Panther would be getting a sequel, Namor is apparently back home at marvel now... and with inhumans losing it's date, its quite possible they could now want to introduce them properly via Medusa and the Frightful Four (which btw they may even now be able to use sandman or hydroman there) couple all that with the fact Post Thanos a new galactic threat of Galactus would be quite perfect. It's like the planets are all aligning for the Fantastic Four right now

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Course X-FORCE is gonna get made, no reason why it won't, while deadpool is holding himself up he can hold up X-FORCE also.

I don't think X-force is going to happen for a few more years though.. they will want Deadpool 2 out before that.. and DP2 doesn't start filming until next year

 

[GuestStar2004]

It doesn't have to be the same situation, it's all about business.

If Fox is only doing "OK" with X-Men but they come to a conclusion that working with another studio can substantially increase revenue, they are going to look into the possibility.

It doesn't mean they will definitely team up for a joint venture, but all the bad blood between them is gone and just because fans may think "this will never happen" that's because that's a lot of different fans saying that and as this board has easily shown, fans are mad are upset with each other for being on different sides but honestly don't financially profit from it one way or the other or have a financial stake in it.

Fox does want to profit from it as much as possible so it has a different perspective than a fan would.

In real life business doesn't really work like these message boards, because if relations are positive and there is profit to be made, you better believe people look into it, especially if previous attempts are not quite reaching potential.

Again it doesn't guarantee anything, but dialogue will happen.

FOX and Sony are in totally different positions and once they join marvel the profit is split so it has to be worth it and of course there is probably more that goes into this deal then just sign on the dot and lets make money so who really would benefit the most out of it? sony had spider-man and his rogue gallery and now they can use the success of the avengers and its characters for future movies they might wanna do so its a pretty good deal while FOX have a much more populated universe already, they don't need iron man to show up, they don't see ant man or thor to show up, so FOX would be splitting the profit just to give marvel creative control and direction while right now FOX already have many options for at least a couple more years to test the waters which they will because they are not in financial trouble like Sony were.

And when it comes to Spidey they are gonna throw in iron man to help spider-man at the box office as spidey probably wouldn't make as much without iron man there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't think X-force is going to happen for a few more years though.. they will want Deadpool 2 out before that.. and DP2 doesn't start filming until next year

Charm of that is that FOX have that open option and there is no reason why FOX wouldn't do it and they don't have to be desperate because its sitting on the shelf ready to be green lit

Chances are we are getting X-23 in the wolverine to be part of X-Force

 

[superweirdo87]

FOX and Sony are in totally different positions and once they join marvel the profit is split so it has to be worth it and of course there is probably more that goes into this deal then just sign on the dot and lets make money so who really would benefit the most out of it? sony had spider-man and his rogue gallery and now they can use the success of the avengers and its characters for future movies they might wanna do so its a pretty good deal while FOX have a much more populated universe already, they don't need iron man to show up, they don't see ant man or thor to show up, so FOX would be splitting the profit just to give marvel creative control and direction while right now FOX already have many options for at least a couple more years to test the waters which they will because they are not in financial trouble like Sony were.

And when it comes to Spidey they are gonna throw in iron man to help spider-man at the box office as spidey probably wouldn't make as much without iron man there.

Sony and Marvel don't split profits.
"At the same time, Marvel won’t receive a cut of the box office for any of Sony’s films that feature Spider-Man. Sony won’t receive a percentage of the revenue Disney makes from Marvel’s films that have Spider-Man, either."

Variety

 

[GuestStar2004]

Sony and Marvel don't split profits.
"At the same time, Marvel won’t receive a cut of the box office for any of Sony’s films that feature Spider-Man. Sony won’t receive a percentage of the revenue Disney makes from Marvel’s films that have Spider-Man, either."

Variety

Well whose profiting from Spider-man: Homecoming? just sony? even though marvel have been given most the creative control from the sound of it? i mean if marvel are working to make sony money then that really would be a great deal for sony.

 

[Zarex]

Sony and Marvel don't split profits.
"At the same time, Marvel won’t receive a cut of the box office for any of Sony’s films that feature Spider-Man. Sony won’t receive a percentage of the revenue Disney makes from Marvel’s films that have Spider-Man, either."

Variety

That deal only works with Spidey, who is a cash cow for Disney despite his cinematic rights being under Sony's control. The X-Men are nowhere near as lucrative a franchise, so if Marvel and FOX decided to work together it would likely involve the Mouse co-financing releases involving the X-Men character family.

 

[superweirdo87]

Sony makes the profit. Some Marvel players involved might get a cut of the sort that producers get when a movie performs really well. Marvel wanted Spidey in their universe and since they're not paying for the rights, they accepted these terms. They also figured it would bolster merchandise sales.

 

[Zant]

So apparently Deadpool is not part of the xmen universe but could be part of the MCU.
X force will never be made.
Fox will go full Sony.
The other day it was mutants are already in AOS

So much wishful thinking LooooL.

FF is most definitely fully going back to Marvel though, for sure.

 

[Zarex]

Sony makes the profit. Some Marvel players involved might get a cut of the sort that producers get when a movie performs really well. Marvel wanted Spidey in their universe and since they're not paying for the rights, they accepted these terms. They also figured it would bolster merchandise sales.

There's a long term strategy in play as well. Though the initial Sony-Marvel deal is a relatively short one, it will be virtually impossible for Sony to ever extract Spidey from the MCU without killing the franchise.

 

[superweirdo87]

idk, zeitgeists change. Maybe, someday Marvel won't be where it is. Consider Spielberg and BFG this weekend, from the guy who had multiple movies become the highest grossing ever.

Sony might be keen to go their own way at that point.

For the foreseeable future, though, definitely tough to pry Spidey back.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well whose profiting from Spider-man: Homecoming? just sony? even though marvel have been given most the creative control from the sound of it? i mean if marvel are working to make sony money then that really would be a great deal for sony.

im sure those working on the film all get paid (like Kevin). but the studio does not.

its very reasonable. its a system of good faith... Marvel wants spidey to do well... it only helps them

 

[spideyboy_1111]

So apparently Deadpool is not part of the xmen universe but could be part of the MCU.
X force will never be made.
Fox will go full Sony.
The other day it was mutants are already in AOS

So much wishful thinking LooooL.

FF is most definitely fully going back to Marvel though, for sure.

you know the difference between fact and theorizing right?
no one is claiming anything as fact.. rather than banter, add something useful to the convo.

 

[Zant]

you know the difference between fact and theorizing right?
no one is claiming anything as fact.. rather than banter, add something useful to the convo.

Well,the fact is Deadpool is part of the Xmen cinematic universe not the MCU. Mutants, X-Mansion, Colossus (The original actor was asked back) NTW, X-jet etc all kinda make it obvious. No theories about that one.

X force will be made. There is no rush. The world will not end after 2019, I hope.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well,the fact is Deadpool is part of the Xmen cinematic universe not the MCU. Mutants, X-Mansion, Colossus (The original actor was asked back) NTW, X-jet etc all kinda make it obvious. No theories about that one.

X force will be made. There is no rush. The world will not end after 2019, I hope.

we are just saying it's not incredibly hard to dissassociate it with the singer verse and appropriate it into the MCU if they wanted to.. (which its not) none of that is direct ties to the singer-verse that anchor's it in to never be anything but.. (which is the point)