Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 40

[RLAAMJR.]

Singer has some strengths as a director but he still could not perfect an x-men movie. He has to go.

 

[Marvellboy]

Really hope they will find a really good director and writer for the next big "XMEN" movie. Even the flying scenes from the "PAN" movie are way better than the XMEN "Singer" directed movies.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

Really hope they will find a really good director and writer for the next big "XMEN" movie. Even the flying scenes from the "PAN" movie are way better than the XMEN "Singer" directed movies.

Oh yes please!

 

[mightiest_mortal]

I don't mean for this to be a blanket statement, but the X-Men films have some of the most ungrateful fans. I'm really at a loss as to what people want from this series. Everyone seems to have their own idea of how things should be, and if the films don't abide by that then they're garbage. That's an unfair way to approach a film.

lol 100 times this.

Nobody can ever make an X-Men movie that pleases all the fans as, unlike most other SH books, it's changed so much over the year. Everyone has their own "snapshot" in time of what the X-Men is to them, be it the original team, the Giant Sized team, the 90s cartoon, or some weird fantasy version of what they'd want it to be.

You'd think the best solution would be to get to the heart and core of what the X-Men is about and then adapt the team to fit around this, but this is what Singer did in X1, X2 and DOFP and he was berated by everyone for it.

I'm 100% certain that half the fans round here would like any ******** movie more, as long as the X-Men were in literal "comic accurate" costumes. People keep going on about how it should be merged into the Deadpool universe and how "perfect" Collossus was... seemingly oblivious to the fact that it was a piss-take of the character just to act as a straight-man to Deadpool. He looked right so people just didn't care.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I don't mean for this to be a blanket statement, but the X-Men films have some of the most ungrateful fans. I'm really at a loss as to what people want from this series. Everyone seems to have their own idea of how things should be, and if the films don't abide by that then they're garbage. That's an unfair way to approach a film.

You can't blame us.

First is, the costume.
Second, is the flying.
Third is, the characters who get the focus are not the main x-men members.

So the critics who make reviews have been considerate to the X-men movies already and try to score the movies by story and they've been harsh to X-men Apocalypse movie because, Singer has been directing x-men movies many times already and he still could not perfect it.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm totally in the minority, but I don't mind Halle's Storm. I really liked her in DOFP for some reason.

She's not ideal as Storm as she's quite short form Storm but with the right material, she could excel.

Why did Bryan delete her line in DOFP when they had that meeting before sending Logan to 1973... I'll never know!

 

[psylockolussus]

How much are the OT cast now really? The prequel cast prices are going to shoot up now the contracts are up.

People keep using this "OT cast salary is too big" as a reason why they shouldn't comeback... I personally don't want the OT's Magneto, Mystique and Pyro to comeback and Hugh is done after W3... And even if they are that expensive, at least they were able to get the big bucks at the box-office. X3 is still the highest grossing X-Men film in North America. And worldwide, DOFP was the first film that outgrossed X3 and they were also in that film and a big part of marketing.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I'm totally in the minority, but I don't mind Halle's Storm. I really liked her in DOFP for some reason.
And I definitely think Shipps Storm will be expanded on in the next films. Isn't she rumored to be leading one of the spin offs?

I like Halle in XDoFP but more people could have liked her more if her hair was long.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

She's not ideal as Storm as she's quite short form Storm but with the right material, she could excel.

Why did Bryan delete her line in DOFP when they had that meeting before sending Logan to 1973... I'll never know!

Singer did gave Storm a good role for XDoFP but Halle could not do it cos she was pregnant so her role was changed into a less role.

 

[psylockolussus]

What good role that Halle couldn't do because she was pregnant are you talking about? I bet it was just some additional action scenes which could have been fixed with CGI. And they deleted a lot of material featuring her. The Kiss, the temple talk, the dialogue she had when they went arrived at the temple.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

What good role that Halle couldn't do because she was pregnant are you talking about? I bet it was just some additional action scenes which could have been fixed with CGI. And they deleted a lot of material featuring her. The Kiss, the temple talk, the dialogue she had when they went arrived at the temple.

Well, somebody showed me scans that she was gonna be flying ( real flying ) around destroying sentinels until she gets killed.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, somebody showed me scans that she was gonna be flying ( real flying ) around destroying sentinels until she gets killed.

those stunts could easily be done with her stuntwoman and they could just CGI her face.

 

[MadVillainy]

I don't mean for this to be a blanket statement, but the X-Men films have some of the most ungrateful fans. I'm really at a loss as to what people want from this series. Everyone seems to have their own idea of how things should be, and if the films don't abide by that then they're garbage. That's an unfair way to approach a film.

I wouldnt say X-MEn fans are any more fickle than others.

 

[psylockolussus]

Eh, I don't think its being ungrateful... I mean I didn't wish Psylocke to become a villain or become an underdeveloped character for the second time, I just hate that people who didn't know she was in the comics, would just see her as a 1-time villain because of this freaking movie and its not a good representation for a character that is just so fierce, so amazing and who has been a X-Woman for decades! There is just no excuse for what they did to Psylocke. Fans are also unhappy with whats happening with this franchise and they are venting out. Like if they stayed true to Cyclops' origin, if they didn't waste Storm, Psylocke, Angel and if they told Apocalypse's story well... I doubt this film would get such a negative response from a lot of people.

 

[Knight_SV]

You can't blame us.

First is, the costume.
Second, is the flying.
Third is, the characters who get the focus are not the main x-men members.

So the critics who make reviews have been considerate to the X-men movies already and try to score the movies by story and they've been harsh to X-men Apocalypse movie because, Singer has been directing x-men movies many times already and he still could not perfect it.

THIS!
exactly what you tell.
how can the characters people are grown-up with like cyclops, jean, storm, rogue and gambit are getting less focus and screentime each time are just not right.
That's why fox's x-men property are running stale

 

[psylockolussus]

Guys have you seen comicbookgirl19's review for this? She ripped it apart! I disagreed with some of her points but I also agreed a lot to her. Like why did turn Mystique to a freaking hero? When you have the likes of Cyclops, Rogue, Storm still waiting for their moment to really shine and get the treatment that they deserved! Uh so over Mystique.

 

[marvelrobbins]

lol 100 times this.

Nobody can ever make an X-Men movie that pleases all the fans as, unlike most other SH books, it's changed so much over the year. Everyone has their own "snapshot" in time of what the X-Men is to them, be it the original team, the Giant Sized team, the 90s cartoon, or some weird fantasy version of what they'd want it to be.

You'd think the best solution would be to get to the heart and core of what the X-Men is about and then adapt the team to fit around this, but this is what Singer did in X1, X2 and DOFP and he was berated by everyone for it.

I'm 100% certain that half the fans round here would like any ******** movie more, as long as the X-Men were in literal "comic accurate" costumes. People keep going on about how it should be merged into the Deadpool universe and how "perfect" Collossus was... seemingly oblivious to the fact that it was a piss-take of the character just to act as a straight-man to Deadpool. He looked right so people just didn't care.

We are In agreement.costumes never make film for me.if that was all it took BVS would be loved as gretaest batman film.

what they did with deadpool was fine for deadpool solo film but i don't want them for full X-Men.

Bryan Singer did far more to embrace comic booky style which put off some of the critics that wrote negative reviews.and some are like it's garabage because storm,Psylocke,and jubilee eather aren't focus or have large roles.

Singer retified Cyclops getting shortend of stick In X-men and X2,and with jean's role you could made case she is real female lead of film.but,many are instead like nope same old same old.

Apocalypse is only comic book film of 2016 where there is a save the world
plot with heroes vs villains you know things that happen in comic books regurly.and i forget when earlier X_men films had the global destrucon like
there was In Apocalypse.

with storm you got to know more about her here than you did in original trilogy or DOFP but people just moan because she didn't get main focus or wasn't flying like they wanted.

It was very predicable who was going to be focus.

Xavier,magneto,mystique were always going to be major focus of film.this is conculsion of First Class trilogy.fact they used cyclops and Jean as much as they did was the pleasent surprise.

Apocalypse was very faithful to spirit of character from comic book who isn't a deep charater but a want to destory the world for the strongest can inheret the earth.

It was very obvious once horsemen were announced that one with arc would be magneto and the rest mainly just henchmen after they are recruited.People may have fooled themselves otherwise but that was clear.when horsemen were introduced in comics only one had any arc-archangel rest were just henchmen.and many here advocated they make storm a horseman.I didn't since I didn't think she would be one horseman with arc.even so i don't think they did that bad with storm.

Jubilee was never going to be major character.even with what stayed in final film it's more than she got In Original trilogy.she even got some dialogue before they sneak out and after they see return of the jedi.She made the cut probaly because singer liked her on the animated show.

I this week rewatched all X-men and wolverine films again with me seeing apocalypse again today,and tonight i will rewatch deadpool,and people seem to forget how bad last stand was and the damage it did to franchice.with apocalypse there is none of that and unlike last stand excitement for future.

I am pretty sure SInger will be casality of apocalypse under-performing as well as lawrence due to her salary.Fassbender could be one too.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

those stunts could easily be done with her stuntwoman and they could just CGI her face.

True. But maybe it will cost more?.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm fine with Singer before but I really don't really get his fascination with Magneto and Mystique, they are X-Men villains in general... you show them to people, the first thing the would think of is "X-Men villain". Like do I want to see Joker in every Batman film, heck no. And with X-Men we are getting freaking Magneto in every X-Men team film and its just too much. And like I said before, once again Magneto outshone the freaking villain and outlasted the freaking villain - Stryker, Sebastian Shaw and now Apocalypse.

And Mystique... she's just never a hero in the comics, like she had family drama with some of the X-Men, she joined the X-Men for like 12 issues and then betrayed them for Sinister but God a leader for the X-Men? I didn't even mind if people saw her as a hero but leading them? Thats just not the X-Men that I wanted to see. Then Quicksilver joining them is also weird, like I wish he was just Northstar because at least Northstar joined the X-Men in the late 2000s.

Then when he got to chance to use Angel/Psylocke... he also wasted them. If we are gonna get more of this then he's really not the right man in charge especially I'm binge reading a lot of comics right now that I didn't read when I stopped buying comics since 2011, it has a lot of Angel/Psylocke in the team while Mystique is still that sneaky Mystique and its just like it added more fuel to my fire on how much I didn't like this movie.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

THIS!
exactly what you tell.
how can the characters people are grown-up with like cyclops, jean, storm, rogue and gambit are getting less focus and screentime each time are just not right.
That's why fox's x-men property are running stale

And if Singer directs, again, it will be the same Mystique, Professor X , Magneto and Beast again.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I'm fine with Singer before but I really don't really get his fascination with Magneto and Mystique, they are X-Men villains in general... you show them to people, the first thing the would think of is "X-Men villain". Like do I want to see Joker in every Batman film, heck no. And with X-Men we are getting freaking Magneto in every X-Men team film and its just too much. And like I said before, once again Magneto outshone the freaking villain and outlasted the freaking villain - Stryker, Sebastian Shaw and now Apocalypse.

And Mystique... she's just never a hero in the comics, like she had family drama with some of the X-Men, she joined the X-Men for like 12 issues and then betrayed them for Sinister but God a leader for the X-Men? I didn't even mind if people saw her as a hero but leading them? Thats just not the X-Men that I wanted to see. Then Quicksilver joining them is also weird, like I wish he was just Northstar because at least Northstar joined the X-Men in the late 2000s.

Then when he got to chance to use Angel/Psylocke... he also wasted them. If we are gonna get more of this then he's really not the right man in charge especially I'm binge reading a lot of comics right now that I didn't read when I stopped buying comics since 2011, it has a lot of Angel/Psylocke in the team while Mystique is still that sneaky Mystique and its just like it added more fuel to my fire on how much I didn't like this movie.

I don't like Singer but I like the X-men so I will still like any x-men movie he makes.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't like Singer but I like the X-men so I will still like any x-men movie he makes.

You know what, if he just continued X-Men's story from that new future that we saw in DOFP... there would have been no Mystique, no Magneto, no Quicksilver (as much as I like Evan peters, to me, Quicksilver doesn't belong to the X-Men), probably no Stryker too, it'd be just Apocalypse vs. the X-Men and I guess stakes would have been higher if some of the X-Men like Wolverine, Beast (Dark Beast) became the horsemen, then they could have given the Magneto treatment to Angel (like gave him the tragic backstory) and they could have had Angel/Psylocke join them at the end. I just don't like their fascination of First Class acting as a trilogy focusing on prof X/Magneto and Mystique and now the X-Men are stuck in the past with Mystique as the leader if they don't change their plans.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Oh really how much a role has beast really gotten in both DOFp & Apocalypse.

Mystique's large role In FC trilogy was a side effect of first class being a prequel and she and beast were about only ones from original trilogy they could use with Xavier and magneto as young men.And then lawrence exploding with hunger games affected DOFP partly and really affected apocalypse.

The idea Singer can never change things up is ludcious.mystique wasn't major character In OT.Fo FC trilogy he took character that was called mute henchwoman and gave more to her.Wolverine In DOFP didn't overshadow
the FC cast.

when next X_men film is made apocalypse underperforming likely means both lawrence and Fassbender could be gone.Apocalypse's box office will affect budget for next X-men film.The return of original cast is why Fox spent more money on techily the sequel to First Class.

and with Cyclops and Jean they already started to expand the focus.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You know what, if he just continued X-Men's story from that new future that we saw in DOFP... there would have been no Mystique, no Magneto, no Quicksilver (as much as I like Evan peters, to me, Quicksilver doesn't belong to the X-Men), probably no Stryker too, it'd be just Apocalypse vs. the X-Men

Thats just your dreamy view on it though, its like before we got X3 people were probably thinking about how X3 was gonna finally give cyclops his due and nightcrawler would be there and all that stuff... thats not what we got.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Thats just your dreamy view on it though, its like before we got X3 people were probably thinking about how X3 was gonna finally give cyclops his due and nightcrawler would be there and all that stuff... thats not what we got.

yep.There has been no indication fox was ever going to drop FC cast for OT cast.As i said a lot of what we got In APocalypse was total predable but some had blinders on.the pleasent surprise for me was how in actual film raven's role wasn't as large as marketing led you to believe and the size of cyclops and
Jean's role.

Almost noone is even bringing up possibilty of more from Original cast except bryan singer in one interview.and he may be gone now.although that's more a
reaction to apocalypse under-performing than internet saying he should be fired.they have been saying that since 2012.