When you hear Singer talk about what he was interested in approaching the film: The idea of looking at ancient mutancy, the effects of gods, religions, cults in the X-Men universe... that is really cool. I don't think he did enough with it.
Thats a complicated one since there is quicksilver revealing that magneto is his father and instantly magneto should do what he did in the how it should have ended skit where he is instantly won over and over joyed that he has a son or there is the part where its not so much as simple as that given certain events that had happened like hey i know you lost your wife and daughter recently but its ok because i am the son you never knew you had.
I'm not sure how it would have played out, hopefully with more emotional complexity that the situation in the HISHE video lol. I think it was an important plotline to pay off though. Leaving it unresolved felt like a soap-opera twist; and there was literally no better place to deal with that story as the film was all about Erik's tragic family history.
Thing is the way DOFP ended wasn't so much that it was the best conclusion but more so it was the way people wanted to see the characters go, basically something that reminded them of comic aspects like mystique going off to have her own adventures or magneto to be a villain and goes off to set up the brotherhood, while apocalypse gave their stories an actual conclusion based on past events from 6 movies.
I disagree. I don't really care about how close the films are to their source material, and in regards to how the characters have developed over the series, Apocalypse does very little to move anyone forward outside of Mystique and Magneto, who I think were poorly handled.
mystique doesn't go with magneto who she was with in the OT, now she stays with charles instead and magneto doesn't go off and become the villain, he makes amends with charles which is something his older self in DOFP had regrets over them having wasted years on fighting.
It was a conclusion of 6 movies, it wasn't a comic set up for stories with those characters becoming those comic counter parts which is something people have a hard time separating i think, if its in the comics its ok to do but if it isn't then people are less willing to accept it
I really liked how Mystique was used in DOFP as the character that represented the potential for change in that universe. Charles had to step back and let her be her own person, and through Mystique's own choices, a better future is possible. The "happy" ending for her was that Charles and Erik, these two men who wanted her to be a certain way and pushed her to live their way, no longer held any influence. In light of that, I don't think her going back to the school works very well as a conclusion. As a 6 film wrap-up, it works even less because the character was basically completely different back in the day, but thats another matter.
Magneto I think was just botched, for the reasons I said previously.
Uh, Storm does. Rewatch the scene where she gets recruited. She wants to be a hero like Mystique and thanks that you can't change the world by going around killing. Remember? So with that in mind, does that strike you as odd that she jumped on board with Apocalypse's plan after getting her power increased?
Psylocke also doesn't make any sense. She joins Apocalypse because he promised her power and to set her free from the control of others. But considering what Apocalypse's end game is, it's also odd that she would follow him since he plans on controlling everyone.
One brief conversation about "rules" and "systems" isn't enough character for me. She encounters Apocalypse as he murders several men in front of her and doesn't seem to dwell on that at all. Bad guys, sure, but still. The influence of Apocalypse was very poorly communicated. She will look on as he wipes out a city of millions of people and not bat an eye, so why is it that Mystique being choked is what causes Storm to doubt her mission? Maybe you're right about how his power works, but it's a massive problem with the film that people have to debate it.
What the film lacks is that moment in X2, where a mind-controlled Lady Deathstryke is standing by Stryker and starts to come to and wake up from her trance. You see it in her face, as does Stryker, who gives her another dose to keep her in line. A few seconds of footage.
The problem is that Cerebro doesn't control minds, its only function is increasing enhancing the powers of telepaths as the explained multiple times in the series. It's just a power booster like what Apocalypse is to the horsemen and this comparison is even made in the film. So the only thing Apocalypse can do with Cerebro is increase a telepath's power and Xavier's line that scene implied that was the case.
What's implied here is that Apocalypse seduces people with the power upgrades where it acts like some kind of addictive drug that causes people to not think straight and then he is able to sweet talk.
I hear you man. So it comes down to whether you're more willing to accept that:
Apocalypse can use his technopathy to hijack Cerebro to an extent that he can shut down Charles and do what he likes, which is a stretch considering the previously set rules of Cerebro.
... or that:
Apocalypse can use his power enhancement to mind control a telepath, despite going out of his way to steal that power later on, also bearing in mind that Apocalypse gives Charles that power upgrade later in the film and Apocalypse had absolutely no influence over him or his actions.
It's a rubbish choice to be honest.
It honestly wouldn't have stopped Magneto considering he was convinced by Apocalypse that he would just keep losing loved ones in the old world. So he would just believe that he would eventually lose Quicksilver too.
Isn't "you still have a family" the exact pitch that Mystique uses to turn Erik around anyway? Surely a biological child makes that case much, much stronger.
It's not really about whether it works out though. Not to me at least. Quicksilver was in a position where he had one thing he wanted to do, and he was put in to a position where he had nothing to lose by doing it. It is massively underwhelming not to pay that off.
with exception of wolverine in logan having memory of wolverine in ot and all events of first 2 wolverine films they will have no relvence going forward.
Someone should have told Singer. He spent too long winking at the series' past right when he had a clean slate for the first time in over a decade and probably confused a lot of audience members.
Okay, while I liked Apocalypse, flaws and all, after listening to the commentary between Singer and Kinberg, as well as seeing all of the deleted scenes, I now have a greater appreciation for it.
It did the opposite for me, sadly.
First off, Singer. I do hope that even if he doesn't direct another of these films, he's involved in some capacity. He's not a comics guy, sure, but he does know how to work with the actors and it was interesting to learn how upset he was about having to cut scenes, particularly the longer forest sequence due to a moment that Fassbender came up after Erik's wife and daughter were killed. Watching it, I see why it was cut for time, and given how much Erik's story has been rooted in tragedy, it might have just been pouring on more emotion than we already had.
He made 2 of my favourite comic book films so I'm always gonna appreciate that. As said by others, I feel like Singer struggled to find a balance between the tone he set all those years ago and what he thinks contemporary audiences want. I think it's pretty unfair the hatred he gets at times. Fanboys act like he has nothing but contempt for the universe and that is clearly not the case. I do think he dropped the ball here. But Apocalypse is the exception, not the rule.
I don't know why the Erik song was cut but the cheesy screaming to god was kept. I'd have traded those in a heartbeat.
Then there's the character stuff- apparently, Sophie Turner's casting as Jean Grey was Singer's call since he's a big Game of Thrones fan, and he liked the chemistry on reads between her, Tye Sheridan, and Alexandra Shipp, and I do wish more of that shined on-screen.
I don't like Turner in the role very much, but I too wish we had more scenes with the kids together. All the stuff with Charles and his students were my favourite moments by far.
Which gets me to the deleted scenes. Like the Rogue Cut, it's nice that Fox let Singer shoot as much as he did, but for the scenes themselves, I'm of two minds about them. A lot of them are minor, but character building, like Alex first going to Scott and saying they're a lot more alike than Scott realizes. That, plus Scott and Jean introducing themselves to each other by name help give them small moments that allow us to see their chemistry.
I'm of two minds about the extended mall scene: on one hand, I don't know if it fits tonally, but at the same time, this allows the kids to bond, it was funny, and it did add to Nightcrawler's character when he's surprised that most humans aren't afraid of mutants walking around in public. That and Jubilee actually used her powers.
If anything, to save time, the movie could have trimmed the opening Apocalypse sequence, left out the Return of the Jedi conversation, and maybe trimmed down SOME of the Weapon X sequence (since in hindsight, it did help set up Logan instead of Deadpool, as as apparently the intention) and then put in those deleted scenes to slowly flesh out the new characters.
The deleted scenes were fun. I can see why there in no "Jubilee Cut" though. Nothing stood out as super important or significant.
Can someone explain to me how it is possible that a movie like ROGUE ONE looks so beautifully polished in its visual effects and world building (costing about 200.000.000), while Apocalypse was visually so ugly and dull (180.000.000)? Have the actors/actresses eaten up all that budget?
Very odd. As the big actors were contractually bound from First Class. Singer himself was probably one of most expensive people on the project. They had some big names on the production. Maybe it was just rushed. It is ugly as all hell in places though.
