Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[Leo Zelinsky]

You know Apocalypse did come out between Civil War and Finding Dory.

Movie came and went regardless

 

[Frankeh]

all i see from you on here is 'this ain't happening' and 'that ain't happening' and that is what's getting really boring.

Preach.

 

[I Am The Knight]

why don't you just say what you really want.which Is fox to just give X-Men over to disney.

Why, I wouldn't be opposed to that!

many who cry reboot aren't really X-Men fans.they are MCU fans who can't stand any other studio is making films with characters That could be supporting characters in Avengers.

Lol wut?

and for all the crying on comic accurcary they will accept any change Disney/Marvel does as proven by ant-man,Dr stange,and Spider-man
Homecoming.

Boy, you sure got me figured out. That's why I'm so excited for MJINO in Spider-Man Homecoming

 

[psylockolussus]

You know Apocalypse did come out between Civil War and Finding Dory.

And you know Dofp was sandwiched by Godzilla and Maleficent and that still earned 700 million and Almost outgrossed X3 in America. Apocalypse's main competition were films like Alice2, Warcraft, Angry Birds and those other Summer films that also underperformed. Civil War was like in fourth weekend and fifth in other territories when Apocalypse was released.

 

[marvelrobbins]

reality check people.apocalypse as i said before film was ever released was never going to outgross DOFP.why because it didn't have original cast.They appeal to GA in way FC cast never has.it wasn't just jackman but entire cast.

Apocalypse domesticly performed like FC.and did better than FC overseas.

The problem is original cast isn't an opotion anymore.DOFP erased original
trilogy and now jackman is gone.what's more there is possibilty logan will reveal all the X-Men are dead.If jackman didn't want to leave fox would probally have him with FC/Apocalypse cast.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

hater telling us how to speak

people have been crying reboot since 2010.

of course the haters want fox to quit making X-Men films.they would love nothing more for them disney to reboot them into avengers supporting characters with all the darkness and seriousnas gone.I have my disagreements with fox's present plans but that is nothing compared to what disney would do as proven by Spider-man Homecoming trailer.having rewatched Spider-man 2 today just amazing now it is called crap and homecoming true spider-man.just as now X-Men,X2,and DOFP are now total hack films according to some.

disney is hardly 100% accurate eather.SPider-man homecoming alone proves
my point.but,MCu fans don't care as long as it's disney who does the changes.

Fox basicly rebooted already with DOFP.my favorate X-Men film X2 is no longer part of contunity along with X-Men.

I didn't like erasing X_Men and X2.I don't like at all focusing so much on spin-offs with no news on main X-Men films.I have had enough of Jennifer Lawrence and her diva behavior.She has been lookign down on X-Men since hungar games success.I defently don't think Deadpool is the greatest
thing ever.it makes mockey of X-Men in film including colossus.with deadpool being r rated breaking the fourth wall comedy I tolerated it since it was Spin-off but now everyone want X-Men films to be like that.

dealing with MCU fans is like going through 2016 election all over again in which i as bernie sanders supporter was consetly attacked and called every name in book for not supporting CLinton.after voting obama twice i was suddenly racist and sexist and now it's everyone else's fault but clinton's for Trump winning.if those who like X-Men films dare to critize MCU or deadpool
we are critzed but it's fine to pile on X-Men films.

Fox may reboot X-Men anyway after Deadpool 3.and rather it be by fox or disney it will then lose any influence from 616 especilly the claremont run and be mostly Ultimate X-Men.Incredible hulk,ASM,FF,and Homecoming already prove this.presently the films do have some elemets from ultimate line but then so did rami trilogy.

Hating disliking one or 2 movies of a franchise and feeling the latest one felt a bit stale and on "repeat" does not make me a hater... i think you should re-check your attitude and comprehension.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You know someone has a rock-solid argument when they're using the word "hater".

Are people still actually in denial about Apocalypse being a financial misfire?

oh he's definitely the poster boy of denial....

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You know Apocalypse did come out between Civil War and Finding Dory.

and? if it was a good film with a good story and well crafted.. it wouldn't have mattered what films came out around it.

 

[DavidHaller]

and? if it was a good film with a good story and well crafted.. it wouldn't have mattered what films came out around it.

like "Suicide Squad" and "Batman vs. Superman". It is foremost great quality that guarantees boxoffice success, right?

 

[marvelrobbins]

it doesn't matter to me if you dislike Apocalypse.But people who have wanted the X-Men films to just go to Disney are just piling on.

Apocalypse was never going to do business of DOFP.fact fox has said nothing on main films is proof it was bit of disappointment.

Many of MCU fans have sail every X related films except for deadpool and at times First Class.

I was critical of jennifer lawrence in months leading up to apocalypse release.that is more than I can say for most of MCU fans who are fine with stark given such a key role In SPider-man Homecoming.

I like spider-man 1 and 2 overall as films and as adaptan of spider-man even though I am not a mary jane fan.never have been.that is partly why i like first amazing spider-man film so much.I tolerated it since mary jane is primary peter parker LI.

I certinly don't like fox idea at present to focus on spin-off and turn deadpool into star of franchise.nor do i like idea from some of wanting X-Men films just like deadpool.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

like "Suicide Squad" and "Batman vs. Superman". It is foremost great quality that guarantees boxoffice success, right?

no, but those at least had hype.. this did not.

you are free to love every inch of it... but its not considered by the majority a "good" xmen film. you can argue it all you want.. but it doesn't change anything. they dropped the ball majorly.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

it doesn't matter to me if you dislike Apocalypse.But people who have wanted the X-Men films to just go to Disney are just piling on.

Apocalypse was never going to do business of DOFP.fact fox has said nothing on main films is proof it was bit of disappointment.

Many of MCU fans have sail every X related films except for deadpool and at times First Class.

I was critical of jennifer lawrence in months leading up to apocalypse release.that is more than I can say for most of MCU fans who are fine with stark given such a key role In SPider-man Homecoming.

I like spider-man 1 and 2 overall as films and as adaptan of spider-man even though I am not a mary jane fan.never have been.that is partly why i like first amazing spider-man film so much.I tolerated it since mary jane is primary peter parker LI.

I certinly don't like fox idea at present to focus on spin-off and turn deadpool into star of franchise.nor do i like idea from some of wanting X-Men films just like deadpool.

I'm a huge MCU fan, but the only X-films i dislike completely are Origins, X3, and Apocalypse. all have aspects i do love.. but their weak and shoddy films.

FC and DOFP were enjoyable and deep, but even with all that id prefer my favorite characters to be, you know.. adapted to still feel like my favorite characters.. which the X-men franchise continues to depart from.

Ive been on these boards since before X2.. and almost everyone kept making excuses for "well in the sequel they will do this (to make it reflect the comics) but those chances came and went... and people can no longer make excuses or still have hope... they are what they are at this point. So yeah, some people are tired of it.. and that list continues to grow.

 

[Stan Lee]

I'm a huge MCU fan, but the only X-films i dislike completely are Origins, X3, and Apocalypse. all have aspects i do love.. but their weak and shoddy films.

FC and DOFP were enjoyable and deep, but even with all that id prefer my favorite characters to be, you know.. adapted to still feel like my favorite characters.. which the X-men franchise continues to depart from.

Ive been on these boards since before X2.. and almost everyone kept making excuses for "well in the sequel they will do this (to make it reflect the comics) but those chances came and went... and people can no longer make excuses or still have hope... they are what they are at this point. So yeah, some people are tired of it.. and that list continues to grow.

I actually thought this movie did reflect the spirit of Fall of The Mutants pretty well for the most part. Did some things better and some things worse. I was surprised by the number of people that didn't read it.

And I think its was best that they departed from some characters like Xavier and Jean.

 

[Stan Lee]

and? if it was a good film with a good story and well crafted.. it wouldn't have mattered what films came out around it.

no, but those at least had hype.. this did not.

A good movie can still not do well if it has no hype. Just look at Star Trek Beyond(though I don't care for that movie).

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I actually thought this movie did reflect the spirit of Fall of The Mutants pretty well for the most part. Did some things better and some things worse. I was surprised by the number of people that didn't read it.

And I think its was best that they departed from some characters like Xavier and Jean.

The spirit was there, but the film wasn't really deep. Nice development for magneto... but at the same time it was the "Same old thing" for him... disguised with a lovely and sad story about Magda and his daughter

that was the only emotional aspect of the film to me nothing else resonated. everything else was rushed or half-@ssed. Or "changed for the sake of change" or "changed because they already skrewed things up so couldn't use the correct character for the storyline.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

A good movie can still not do well if it has no hype. Just look at Star Trek Beyond(though I don't care for that movie).

still missing my point...

and still seems like people are trying to make "fetch" happen.. when it's not and didnt.

 

[Stan Lee]

The spirit was there, but the film wasn't really deep. Nice development for magneto... but at the same time it was the "Same old thing" for him... disguised with a lovely and sad story about Magda and his daughter

that was the only emotional aspect of the film to me nothing else resonated. everything else was rushed or half-@ssed. Or "changed for the sake of change" or "changed because they already skrewed things up so couldn't use the correct character for the storyline.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on it not being deep. It took the spirit of FoM and combined that with lesson Xavier learnt in DOFP. It was really all about Xavier fixing the mistakes he made in the original timeline with Magneto, Mystique, and Phoenix now that he believes in the best of people without the need of controlling them.

Like him having hope in Jean controlling her powers instead of holding her back like in X3. That's what the whole "let go" thing is suppose to mean.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on it not being deep. It took the spirit of FoM and combined that with lesson Xavier learnt in DOFP. It was really all about Xavier fixing the mistakes he made in the original timeline with Magneto, Mystique, and Phoenix now that he believes in the best of people without the need of controlling them.

Xavier has no clue what jean becomes in the future.. so that's not a mistake he knew to fix.

and as i've said before, there's interesting ideas.. but the execution of this film was terrible. not only it story but the editing, effects, script and flow...

 

[Stan Lee]

Xavier has no clue what jean becomes in the future.. so that's not a mistake he knew to fix.

and as i've said before, there's interesting ideas.. but the execution of this film was terrible. not only it story but the editing, effects, script and flow...

Actually he did knew. Watch the scene where he looks into Logan's mind and sees his future. He saw Logan killing Jean, so he knows about the events of X3.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Actually he did knew. Watch the scene where he looks into Logan's mind and sees his future. He saw Logan killing Jean, so he knows about the events of X3.

eh... that's a bit of a stretch and a very minor detail that should of been more emphasized on if it was to be such a major plot point of this film (which is again, yet another example of the film dropping the ball...

 

[Stan Lee]

eh... that's a bit of a stretch and a very minor detail that should of been more emphasized on if it was to be such a major plot point of this film (which is again, yet another example of the film dropping the ball...

Not really a stretch. They explicitly showed a clip of Jean's death and Logan holding her body in that scene when he was looking through his head. It was the very last image Xavier saw, ending with him yelling he didn't want his future. The scene made it very clear he knew of those events.

Its similar to Cap knowing that Bucky killed Tony's parents in Civil War. He found out through a quick scene in Winter Solider.

 

[marvelrobbins]

if particular user didn't crap on X-Men,x2,and DOFP I apolgize.there are plenty who come here and elsewhere who go like that.

as for those who claim films ruin X-men.I feel marvel has been doing that since 2001.I am 42 so i was buying age of apocalypse comics when they actully were coming out.Grant Morrison run on new X_Men was begining of end for me buying X_Men comics.during 2001 to 2004 I was mostly buying Chris Claremont's run on Xtreme X-Men and then I went back to main X-Men books for awhile till aftermath of house of M.Last new X book was joss whedon's second year of astonshing X-Men.So i have had my disagreements with marvel that predate disney buying them.

I won't apolgze that X-Men has always been my favorate property of comic books.and yes i don't like reboots.that's easy way out.and having seen what it has done to my other 2 favorate comic book propertys Spider-man and Batman as well as one of my 2 favorate sci fi propertys Star Trek.

Fact i didn't even go to theater when beyond came out tells you everything.
the fact the producer of justice league uses lighter in same sentence with Batman makes me want to wash my hands of DCEU.same thing with Spider-man homecoming.in event fox does do another full X_Men film for 2019 if they throw money at jennifer lawrence to get her back i will be very critcal of that after her trashing X-Men.

I never make any decsions based on outfits.Yeah Christopher revve superman has better outfit than MOS but that isn't why I like Donner's Superman over MOS.BVS has more accurate outfit but i doudt few will say it was better than the burton films or Nolan's dark Knight trilogy.

The captain America trilogy is one of few MCU films i generly like but fact they treated clasic outfit of cap as joke and used ultimate outfit didn't affect
my oporion.

Tone is more important to me for X_Men than outfits.it's similar to batman i am done with any changing of outfits but minute they decide they need to
go light with batman Is when you lose me.

and if you want 616 influences in X related films reboot is worst thing that
can happen.Incredible Hulk,Amazing Spider-man,FF,and Spider-man homecoming all prove when it's rebooted it becomes more ultimate influenced.just like WB wants to go all new 52 with DCEU.

 

[DavidHaller]

no, but those at least had hype.. this did not.

you are free to love every inch of it... but its not considered by the majority a "good" xmen film. you can argue it all you want.. but it doesn't change anything. they dropped the ball majorly.

I never said "X-Men:Apocalypse" is a good movie. But I am also not blind to see that Singer put some thought into constructing it. Singer is a subtle director. He always works with small moments and hints. He will not take the audience by the hand and you need to connect the dots yourself.

Jean Grey's story throughout all seven X-Men movies combined is actually very interesting and quite tender. StanLee and I wrote extensively about it here on this forum and if you do not see how "Days of Future Past" and "X-Men:Apocalypse" relate to Xavier's (future) sins, I think you should go back and re-watch it because this is the main point of these last two movies! Xavier is trying to prevent his sins/mistakes from occurring in the past because he failed saving mutantkind in the future (by manipulating Mystique and losing her to the dark side, mind-raping Jean Grey, and also losing the fight for Magneto's soul). All of it is reversed when "X-Men: Apocalypse" ends.

This is why you see Xavier looking into Wolverine's mind in "Days of Future Past". Xavier tried to control Jean in X3 and au contraire asked Jean to let go in "X:A". He actually screams it several time so everybody gets it.

Wolverine helped in "Days of Future Past" to save the woman he loves, while Jean returns the favor freeing him in "X:A".

There are many moments like these if you actually bother to care to see them (you never wondered for example why Jean is using bow and arrow, while Magneto's daughter is killed by one? Coincidence?)

 

[marvelrobbins]

I never said "X-Men:Apocalypse" is a good movie. But I am also not blind to see that Singer put some thought into constructing it. Singer is a subtle director. He always works with small moments and hints but you need to connect the dots.

Jean Grey's story through all seven X-Men movies combined is actually very interesting and quite tender. StanLee and I wrote extensively about it here on this forum and if you do not see how "Days of Future Past" and "X-Men:Apocalypse" directly relate to Xavier's (future) sins, I think you should go back and re-watch it because this is the main point of these last two movies! Xavier is trying to prevent his sins/mistakes from occurring because he failed saving mutant kind by manipulating Mystique and losing her to the dark side, mind-raping Jean Grey, and also losing the fight for Magneto's soul. All of it is reversed after "X-Men: Apocalypse".

This is why you see Xavier looking into Wolverine's mind in "Days of Future Past". Xavier tried to control Jean in X3 and he asked her to let go in "X:A". Wolverine helped in "Days of Future Past" to save the woman he loves, while Jean returns the favor freeing him in "X:A".

exactly.even though i argue that with DOFP it erased original trilogy singer when he said apocalypse is culmination of 6 films with things like xavier,magneto,jean,and even wolverine you see why he said that.and what he was going for.

 

[DavidHaller]

exactly.even though i argue that with DOFP it erased original trilogy singer when he said apocalypse is culmination of 6 films with things like xavier,magneto,jean,and even wolverine you see why he said that.and what he was going for.

When we go with time travel rules from comic books, Wolverine and Xavier actually created a parallel universe in "Days of Future Past" by going back in time to change the future...