Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 10

[RalphieRandy]

Who is hoping for him to fail anyway. I personally gave him a chance in X3 despite his not so glowing early track record. After Dofp, I gave him two more chances with Fantastic Four and Apocalypse.

eXpecting Kinberg to part of a bad film again isn't hoping for him to fail. Good God, there's a difference. We just don't b**** around about our frustrations here for no reason.

You and anyone else who agrees with you (your little crew) don't even believe what you just said. Do you expect everyone else to?

 

[Zarex]

"When it came time to develop the first X-Men movie script, 20th Century Fox brought on Eric Lewald and Will Meugniot (XM:TAS Executive Story Producers) as consultants."

http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/talking-to-the-writers-of-x-men-animated-series.html

"Director Bryan Singer used it as his primary source of research when prepping for the first X-Men film, because the series had been so successful in condensing down over 40 years worth of key storylines from the comics."

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-animated-series-fails/

 

[Jh7058622]

You and anyone else who agrees with you (your little crew) don't even believe what you just said. Do you expect everyone else to?

Yeah It's obvious if you only want to see the bad in a situation then constantly being condescending to those who have even a remotely positive outlook on Kinberg isn't "wanting him to be successful" imo.

Your words and actions seem incongruous. Kinberg needs to do better and criticism is important but constructive critique is important. Wanting the X-Men to only do well with Disney makes no sense to me.

 

[Frankeh]

I bring here fact. (low sales, no merchandise...)

No you don't. Leo Zelinsky brought facts about the viewership of TAS.

"When it came time to develop the first X-Men movie script, 20th Century Fox brought on Eric Lewald and Will Meugniot (XM:TAS Executive Story Producers) as consultants."

http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/talking-to-the-writers-of-x-men-animated-series.html

"Director Bryan Singer used it as his primary source of research when prepping for the first X-Men film, because the series had been so successful in condensing down over 40 years worth of key storylines from the comics."

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-animated-series-fails/

THANK YOU.

 

[Frankeh]

You and anyone else who agrees with you (your little crew) don't even believe what you just said.

I thought this board had already been warned about making snipes at other posters...

Yeah It's obvious if you only want to see the bad in a situation then constantly being condescending to those who have even a remotely positive outlook on Kinberg isn't "wanting him to be successful" imo.

Let's not act like multiple posters haven't gotten their posts deleted for attacking the people skeptical of Kinberg.

 

[Drexelhand]

She definitely has the height and the presence. And she would promote the heck out of the X-Men in her talk show.

She's also terrible.

 

[Frankeh]

She's also terrible.

Issa joke.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Impossible to argue with religion.

I bring here fact. (low sales, no merchandise...)

You all bring faith. (a friend of a friend of my cousin remember the theme)


And yes, you can find poster, mugs, t-shirt, iphone-case, even a mat with logo of Friends serial tv.
So facts vs faith.
'nuff said.

.... dude you need to get out more, Animated series merch is still being sold and it spawned one of the most successful toy lines of the 90s

 

[Avenging Angel]

I honestly thought this was the general consensus. TAS isn't a show that came and went. It's what cartoons today dream of being.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I honestly thought this was the general consensus. TAS isn't a show that came and went. It's what cartoons today dream of being.

it is the general consensus.. this guy is young and thinks he knows what he's talking about when he doesn't

 

[Ordet]

"When it came time to develop the first X-Men movie script, 20th Century Fox brought on Eric Lewald and Will Meugniot (XM:TAS Executive Story Producers) as consultants."

http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/talking-to-the-writers-of-x-men-animated-series.html

"Director Bryan Singer used it as his primary source of research when prepping for the first X-Men film, because the series had been so successful in condensing down over 40 years worth of key storylines from the comics."

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-animated-series-fails/

I know that about Singer. And that means nothing.

1) almost 20 years ago.

2) in 2000, when the first XMen come out, only 3 years had passed and despite this they choose to change almost everything from a so remembered cartoon. (and we know the story, we have more and more succeful sequel to the movies than to that cartoon)

 

[Ordet]

it is the general consensus.. this guy is young and thinks he knows what he's talking about when he doesn't

You are younger than me.


We really wanna count how many action figures from the cartoon you can find on Amazon? And how many of....let's see, Gundam?

I let you count them.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

You are younger than me.


We really wanna count how many action figures from the cartoon you can find on Amazon? And how many of....let's see, Gundam?

I let you count them.

They've been making Gundam anime since 1979. Why would that even be a comparison?

Marvel doesn't make X-MEN merch because of the FOX situation anyways.


A way to judge X-MEN's popularity is video games. Between 1992-1997 there were 11 X-MEN video games released. That should tell you how popular the show was.

 

[Frankeh]

2) in 2000, when the first XMen come out, only 3 years had passed and despite this they choose to change almost everything from a so remembered cartoon.

Which is why the first X-Men movie didn't come close to the box office of the first Spider-Man.

Also how are toys definitive proof of the lasting memory of TAS? Everyone that remembers TAS buys/collects action figures? No.

 

[BMM]

Which is why the first X-Men movie didn't come close to the box office of the first Spider-Man.

No, that’s because Spider-Man was that much more popular and widely known than X-Men at the time. There’s no sense trying to downplay the popularity of the Animated Series, or the X-Men brand, but let’s not get carried away.

 

[The Guard]

The 1990's X-Men cartoon was very popular or a cartoon. I'm sure that had an impact on the decision to develop a film. But the popularity of the cartoon, like the popularity of the comics, or videogames, is still somewhat relative when considering the awareness general audiences have of a property.

The cartoon and toylines reached a certain generation, but the X-Men were still largely an "unknown" or lesser known brand to many when the film came out in 2000, especially compared to well known heroes like Superman, Batman and Spider-Man.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Actually they were pretty known when Jim Lee took over their design. 80s to 90s were very strong for XMen, especially around the Sega Genesis era. The games dominated that console. I recall playing them before TAS even aired, then it just boomed, everyone loved the impact the show had.

 

[Lip]

Impossible to argue with religion.

I bring here fact. (low sales, no merchandise...)

You all bring faith. (a friend of a friend of my cousin remember the theme)


And yes, you can find poster, mugs, t-shirt, iphone-case, even a mat with logo of Friends serial tv.
So facts vs faith.
'nuff said.

We brought up all of these points:

Why are you comparing X-MEN TAS & X-MEN '92 comic?

Most people who watched X-MEN TAS are not comic book fans and wouldn't buy a comic book 20+ years later anyway.


Here's a random X-MEN story. I was riding to the liquor store to buy some dutches before going to see Logan last year. And I saw this girl who I thought looked pretty good so I stopped and had a quick convo. After getting her # she asked what I was doing that night and I said going to see that new wolverine movie. She immediately lit up saying I wanna see that I loved X-MEN cartoon as a kid. And this was just a random person who never ever read a comic book.

You obviously never read the recently released X-MEN book covering all of this information. When X-MEN TAS released most of America didn't have cable TV. So anything on fox abc CBS NBC got even more ratings. X-MEN TAS got more ratings than all networks combined during those Saturday mornings. Millions and millions of ppl watched that show I'm not sure you're realizing how popular it was. You keep mentioning Italy but you're not realizing that Italy is a small country on 60million ppl. US is 300million ppl you can't tell us about the impact of a American show in America when we actually live here.


Quote from the X-MEN book i bought from the shows creators last year.




Eric Lewald - Creator of X-MEN TAS


Im looking at a picture of the cover of Variety from 1993

"X-PLOSIVE RATINGS!"

The #1 Saturday Morning Kids Show

Boys 6-11 10.8
Boys 12-17 10.5

It was 58,804.

So any comic under that should be a property nobody cares about? Right?

Have you tried to google "most popular animated series"? The X-Men appears in almost all the list. It was ranked 13 among 100 animated series by IGN. Currently it ranks 197 on IMDB among 5000 shows, which includes premium cable and broadcast network dramas. It has higher position than shows like Modern Family and cultural icon like Lost. It was popular enough to get a comic book series recently. In 2009 it was released in DVD.

What test of popularity do you want? Prove how only X-Men fans remember the show now, besides your sole opinion.

"When it came time to develop the first X-Men movie script, 20th Century Fox brought on Eric Lewald and Will Meugniot (XM:TAS Executive Story Producers) as consultants."

http://www.vulture.com/2014/05/talking-to-the-writers-of-x-men-animated-series.html

"Director Bryan Singer used it as his primary source of research when prepping for the first X-Men film, because the series had been so successful in condensing down over 40 years worth of key storylines from the comics."

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-animated-series-fails/

The only "fact" you're bringing up is the sales (which you consider low) for a comicbook spin off, which is beyond ridiculous to measure the show's popularity and influence. Why don't you bring up the sales for the DVDs for instance, and compare them to other 90's animated shows and their influence, then come back here with your facts.

You're literally the only one who thinks that.

I can't actually believe we're talking about this. Gurl bye.

 

[Davidstorm]

Robert Meyer Burnett


@BurnettRM
I've heard it's quite good...focusing more on the drama...and halfway through the film, one of our beloved characters...oh...wait...that would be telling...

 

[RalphieRandy]

I thought this board had already been warned about making snipes at other posters...

Let's not act like multiple posters haven't gotten their posts deleted for attacking the people skeptical of Kinberg.

I thought you do no wrong? Why are you taking offense to what I said......unless you think I'm referring to you?

And let's not forget that the same "victims" you're referring to have also had their comments deleted. So it seems the "pro-Kinberg" people aren't the only ones attacking people.

 

[Ryan1210]

Alexandra Shipp will be on Conan O'Brien tonight talking about Dark Phoenix.

 

[kineticist]

lol jinx
https://***********/alexshipppp/status/976272446272692225

 

[terry78]

We'll see what's up.

 

[Lip]

She's so pretty <3

 

[psylockolussus]

Robert Meyer Burnett


@BurnettRM
I've heard it's quite good...focusing more on the drama...and halfway through the film, one of our beloved characters...oh...wait...that would be telling...

Just like what heard about Apocalypse.