Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 10

[SumT]

She was also a mix of Caliban.

I felt I was missing something, there it is. So she was a mix of Callisto/Caliban/Quicksilver.

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[Charzhin0]

I dont understand whyd theyd tease Sinister at the end of Apocalypse then if theyre completely ignoring him. Its not as if they didnt expect Apocalypse to get a sequel.

Theyve been pretty consistent with following up past end credits, with Xavier twin in X3, Trask industries at the end of The Wolverine, Apocalypse at the end of DOFP.

 

[Legion]

I dont understand whyd theyd tease Sinister at the end of Apocalypse then if theyre completely ignoring him. Its not as if they didnt expect Apocalypse to get a sequel.

Theyve been pretty consistent with following up past end credits, with Xavier twin in X3, Trask industries at the end of The Wolverine, Apocalypse at the end of DOFP.

I think they wanted him in Logan but Mangold wasn't interested and did his own thing. They aren't going to shoehorn him in another storyline just to honor that post credits scene.

 

[Lip]

I dont understand whyd theyd tease Sinister at the end of Apocalypse then if theyre completely ignoring him. Its not as if they didnt expect Apocalypse to get a sequel.

Do you remember when they showed Eric taking Emma to join the brotherhood in the end of FC, but then we got nothing from it at all in the sequel? Actually we only got Emma being killed off in one line of dialogue? Remember Raven rescuing Logan from Stryker at the end of DoFP, and that leading nowhere besides him getting his adamatium anyway?

If you ask me, I think FOX and the creative team was feeling very certain of the success of Apocalypse and actually wanted to use Sinister in a sequel. However the movie didn't get the reception expected at all, and they decided to jump to the biggest storyline they could get, which makes sense given Kinberg's statement of making the sequels feeling bigger than the previous one.

This adaptation of Dark Phoenix always felt like a huge desperate move. But that's just me.

 

[1627523]

Do you remember when they showed Eric taking Emma to join the brotherhood in the end of FC, but then we got nothing from it at all in the sequel? Actually we only got Emma being killed off in one line of dialogue? Remember Raven rescuing Logan from Stryker at the end of DoFP, and that leading nowhere besides him getting his adamatium anyway?

If you ask me, I think FOX and the creative team was feeling very certain of the success of Apocalypse and actually wanted to use Sinister in a sequel. However the movie didn't get the reception expected at all, and they decided to jump to the biggest storyline they could get, which makes sense given Kinberg's statement of making the sequels feeling bigger than the previous one.

This adaptation of Dark Phoenix always felt like a huge desperate move. But that's just me.

if its a desperate move than why did they set up for it in apocalypse throughout the film?

 

[EnDz0n3]

I think they wanted him in Logan but Mangold wasn't interested and did his own thing. They aren't going to shoehorn him in another storyline just to honor that post credits scene.

Kinberg: "Hold my beer."

 

[Lip]

if its a desperate move than why did they set up for it in apocalypse throughout the film?

If that was a set up, why were they thinking about using Proteus as a villain?

X2 was a set up to Dark Phoenix.

Kinberg: "Hold my beer."

LOL

 

[Frankeh]

Well I think in one interview Michael Dougherty did imply they were setting up Dark Phoenix by saying "once you introduce young Jean Grey, you know where the story is going..." or something like that.

Mind you, not that I agree that Apocalypse was enough "setup" for Dark Phoenix.

 

[1627523]

If that was a set up, why were they thinking about using Proteus as a villain?

X2 was a set up to Dark Phoenix.



LOL

Proteus as villain? When?

 

[Lip]

Well I think in one interview Michael Dougherty did imply they were setting up Dark Phoenix by saying "once you introduce young Jean Grey, you know where the story is going..." or something like that.

Mind you, not that I agree that Apocalypse was enough "setup" for Dark Phoenix.

Once you introduce Gwen Stacy, you know what's coming... eventually. That doesn't mean it needs to happen as soon as possible, skipping all character development.

Jean is an iconic, core member of the X-Men first. She is more than just that storyline.

Proteus as villain? When?

It’s already well known that William Stryker will return in a larger role in X-Men: Apocalypse, but what could come after Apocalypse is perhaps of greater note – as Singer, when asked about which villain he’d like to see in the X-Men series next, told Empire the following:

“I’d love to use Proteus somehow. There’s a lot visually you could do with a character like that.”

 

[SumT]

if only Singer thought like that about Storm..... or about the x-men for that matter.
"there's a lot visually you could do with characters like X-Men"
nah, doesnt sound like Bryan Singer or Kinberg words at all, lol

 

[psyonic]

Kinberg: "Hold my beer."

Fox: Hold all of our beers

 

[terry78]

Sticking **** where it don't belong is Fox's specialty.

 

[1627523]

Once you introduce Gwen Stacy, you know what's coming... eventually. That doesn't mean it needs to happen as soon as possible, skipping all character development.

Jean is an iconic, core member of the X-Men first. She is more than just that storyline.

Are u srsly trying to argue that they werent setting up the dark pheonix movie? Why the hell would they show off the pheonix in all its glory just to not come back to it in the next movie. Also i dont believe for one second that Bryan Singer was seriously planning on using proteus before using mr.sinister or dark pheonix (both were teased in the actual movie). Bryan obviously had no serious plans for proteus and was probably just saying some random stuff from the top of his head.

 

[Lip]

Are u srsly trying to argue that they werent setting up the dark pheonix movie?

In the next movie? No.

Bryan obviously had no serious plans for proteus and was probably just saying some random stuff from the top of his head.

Well, I posted his actual words. Him not being serious about it is your assumption, which is fine. I'm not here to convince you.

 

[psyonic]

If I remember correctly, Singer's X3 and X4 were to be shot back to back. Jean returns after X2, decides to take the mutant v humans war into her own hands i.e. tearing cargo ships of mutant slaves apart, only to realize she's too big for earthly, trivial matters and leaves it with a hint that she'll always being watching or something like that as a star child, pretty sure she returns Dark in X4 probably from experiencing too much from the universe.. Other interesting facts, Sigourney Weaver was to play Emma Frost as an empath manipulating Jean, Scott would have been the focus and trains in the danger room blaming they weren't ready, for I assume Stryker, which led to Jean's sacrifice.

There is a podcast somewhere with X2 writer Michael Doherty talking about this. Definitely would have been fleshed out more this way.

I'm still pretty raw about this, but I'll happily accept this version in a graphic novel form.

 

[BMM]

Singer has been interested in Proteus for years. I believe he made mention of him as far back as X2. That said, it’s hard to say what the plans were for the franchise prior to Apocalypse’s release. They planted seeds for Proteus, Sinister, and, obviously, Dark Phoenix, so the sequel could have gone in multiple directions. Here’s Dougherty’s interview, where he gives his thoughts on the direction of future installments. He states they didn’t talk specifics, but he does bring up Jean Grey at the end.

http://www.ign.com/videos/2015/09/11/x-men-apocalypse-a-god-among-mutants

“Well, once you introduce a young Jean Grey into a new X-Men film... where do you think it’s gonna go? It’s gotta go in some directions.”

 

[psylockolussus]

yeah, thats highly unlikely.
she will probably be a mix of Lilandra/Veranque/whatever, u know, like X3 Callisto, that was like a mix of Callisto/Quicksilver, in a typical Kinberg fashion

He's so creative, mixing up powers/characteristics are just what we want.

 

[Jh7058622]

Yep because he wrote, directed and starred in X3 all by himself. In fact it was a one man show.

 

[psylockolussus]

If I remember correctly, Singer's X3 and X4 were to be shot back to back. Jean returns after X2, decides to take the mutant v humans war into her own hands i.e. tearing cargo ships of mutant slaves apart, only to realize she's too big for earthly, trivial matters and leaves it with a hint that she'll always being watching or something like that as a star child, pretty sure she returns Dark in X4 probably from experiencing too much from the universe.. Other interesting facts, Sigourney Weaver was to play Emma Frost as an empath manipulating Jean, Scott would have been the focus and trains in the danger room blaming they weren't ready, for I assume Stryker, which led to Jean's sacrifice.

There is a podcast somewhere with X2 writer Michael Doherty talking about this. Definitely would have been fleshed out more this way.

I'm still pretty raw about this, but I'll happily accept this version in a graphic novel form.

That would have been eXciting!

 

[SumT]

He's so creative, mixing up powers/characteristics are just what we want.

best creative writer we could have wished for!!!

 

[Weather Witch]

Yep because he wrote, directed and starred in X3 all by himself. In fact it was a one man show.

He is basically the new Wiseau.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yep because he wrote, directed and starred in X3 all by himself. In fact it was a one man show.

Because clearly Matthew Vaughn and Brett Rather came up with the power displays... Why is Kinberg even credited then as a writer, when clearly he can't be taken accountable for his actions in X3.

 

[Sage2016]

I adore X-Men I really do. But this movie has me at zero for interest. I don't think even a trailer would help at this point. The new actors do absolutely nothing for me, DOFP did more harm than good long term and quite frankly I welcome anything Disney will choose to do with the X-Men once the deal with Fox is complete. I still feel they should be a separate entity to the MCU, but if its the only way to get my fix, I'll bite.

The Fox-Men met their natural end with DOFP for me and the final nail was Logan. They should've just stuck to spinoffs after that.

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

Soooo........ trailer in mid April? The teaser trailers for last two x films were lack lasture; although at least dofp had the nostalgic effect going for it. Apoc had little money shots because of the unfinished effects. I’m hoping the extra time means a polished trailer with what the movie is tonally .

What do you guys want to see? t: