Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[AndrewGilkison]

My question about the Dark Phoenix reshoots are...

Did they schedule them ahead of time like Marvel does with their movies? If so, why are they having a difficult time getting the actors back? Aren't the reshoots contractually mandated if they are scheduled ahead of time (and if they were not, why weren't they... if you know all the big movies do them and you were likely going to need it)?

 

[EnDz0n3]

My question about the Dark Phoenix reshoots are...

Did they schedule them ahead of time like Marvel does with their movies? If so, why are they having a difficult time getting the actors back? Aren't the reshoots contractually mandated if they are scheduled ahead of time (and if they were not, why weren't they... if you know all the big movies do them and you were likely going to need it)?

These are the questions that the fans precisely asking, but publications like Entertainment Weekly and The Hollywood Reporter has (so far) been unable (or unwilling?) to ask, even with the amount of access they have...

 

[sleekstereo]

My question about the Dark Phoenix reshoots are...

Did they schedule them ahead of time like Marvel does with their movies? If so, why are they having a difficult time getting the actors back? Aren't the reshoots contractually mandated if they are scheduled ahead of time (and if they were not, why weren't they... if you know all the big movies do them and you were likely going to need it)?

Other contracts can conflict with others. It seems its the Game of Thornes stars that are really holding up the schedule. And honestly, Game of Thrones is way more important than X-Men. Yes, I am bias. lol

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah, it's normal for all these big movies to not be able to meet their release date.

Tell that to The New Mutants and Gambit. Lol.

 

[Superhero 101]

Zing

 

[Cktopl33]

Here we are again doing damage control, saying there will be no reshoots.

http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=153515fobi- Who said that?

you- Here: "Originally Posted by Cktopl33"

Again, you make more false accusations directed at me in a desperate attempt to make your point. How delusive of you. Where in my comments did I claim there will be NO reshoots? Did you read the last part of my quote you posted:"So Fox may or may not be doing re-shoots since we don't really have any firm information concerning it." So, please tell me where did I state there will be NO reshoots? I like how you conveniently ignored ALL of my comments in which I made CLEAR we won't know if there are reshoots unless it come from an OFFICIAL source:

4-26-2018: As far as reshoots are concerned, we won't know whether they are underway unless there's an official announcement from either the studio, director, or a cast member. That's my position on it since you're so curious. (in response to a post FROM YOU)

4-27-2018: If there's an official announcement for re-shoots from Fox, or from the film's creative team, or the actors.....then the rumor for reshoots regarding the third act is likely to change an ending that was suppose to lead into the second film if it was a two parter.

5-1-2018: So if there are any official announced reshoots, its entirely plausible the reason is to correct any planned connection to a second film. If you remember back in May 2016, Kinberg said that he hoped Dark Phoenix would be the first in a new trilogy of films focusing on the younger versions of the original X-Men characters.

5-2-2018:If the rumor of reshoots is true, it suggest the reshoots aren't extensive. Extensive re-shoots are expensive. The under 10 million claim, if true, is a pretty standard cost for film reshoots, nothing major. If the claim for 'fixing the third act' is true, then that affirm my suspicions that reshoots could be used to fix an ending that would have led into another film rather than reshoot extensive sequences or entire segments of a movie just to take out or alter villains that will also be used in MCU.

Now it could be that there are no reshoots at all and Fox simply changed release dates. We won't know for certain unless there's an offical announcement or cast and crew are spotted together on a set or location sometime in the coming months.

Now, did you seriously miss all those or do you have reading comprehension problems? Stop spreading false claims EnDz0n3. I will defend myself. Did you forget the message I sent you last time: "So, how about analyze things a little bit more harder before being quick to type out the next snipe, OK EnDz0n3?" Do better.

 

[Cktopl33]

Thats abit of an assumption based on very little at this point.

They are apparently filming X-FORCE this October so that one is already in the future X-Men movies slate, and will be produced by the same FOX team.

It's also an assumption X-Force will actually release (or at least under Fox) regardless of the statement they made. Look at New Mutants, and they had already shot that movie. By summer next year the acquisition will likely be closed. So only time will tell at this point.

 

[Cktopl33]

You know, Comcast is also bidding for Fox Studios, and they are offering a price higher then Disney has, there's still a chance that Disney might not end-up buying Fox. Latest -

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/comcasts-last-ditch-plan-snatch-fox-disney-1107648

If they (Comcast) do end-up buying Fox Studios, they will have to make a deal with Disney if they want X-men to appear in MCU, similar to what Sony has done for Spider-man.

According to some article and business pieces, some of the reasons why the Murdochs prefer selling to Disney is:

- Fox was content with Disney's bid and structure over other bidders. Comcast, which expressed interest in Fox's assets later, actually publicly released a statement saying it "never got the level of engagement needed to make a definitive offer."

-The Murdochs would own about 5 percent of Disney if a deal is complete. While owning Comcast or Verizon shares may not be terrible, they don't come with the same international cache as Disney, Greenfield said.

-Fox no longer views a Time Warner merger as its most desirable outcome.
Time Warner is a weaker company today than it was three years ago because Jeff Bewkes has run it to maximize its sale price for the past few years. It's not as able to compete internationally.

- Disney is still the best bet to win regulatory approval. Even if AT&T's deal for Time Warner stands, selling to Comcast may still not fly for Fox. The Trump administration has already made comments suggesting Comcast's deal for NBCUniversal shouldn't have been approved. Disney, which doesn't own cable distribution, may be a more palatable buyer for the Federal Communications Commission.

A deal of this nature and of this size is still going to receive a significant amount of regulatory scrutiny, according to Iger. And Comcast may try to outbid Disney for Fox if DOJ can't block AT&T-Time Warner. “We didn’t choose to put Sky in play—that was done for us,” Roberts said somewhat defensively during Comcast’s first-quarter earnings call." Fox has reached the final stage of U.K. review of Sky takeover. Time will tell.

 

[Cktopl33]

My question about the Dark Phoenix reshoots are...

Did they schedule them ahead of time like Marvel does with their movies? If so, why are they having a difficult time getting the actors back? Aren't the reshoots contractually mandated if they are scheduled ahead of time (and if they were not, why weren't they... if you know all the big movies do them and you were likely going to need it)?

Well according to reports, the reshoots for Dark Phoenix are supposedly expected to take place in late summer/early fall (between June-September). Filming was completed in October 2017. So that's around an 9 month or so span until reshoots.

However, look at Avengers 4. Production for that movie wrapped in January of this year and it releases in May 2019 in U.S. That movie is also undergoing reshoots in late 2018 (between Oct-Dec). So that's around the same span of time between production and reshoots as Dark Phoenix. It's always a difficult time scheduling actors for reshoots. No different from Marvel or any other movie. I don't think the date reshuffle for release of Dark Phoenix has much to do with the reshoots, but rather they wanted a better release spot. It sounds like Fox was premature with their release dates.

 

[Weather Witch]

Reminds me of articles around the time of DOFP that described the reshoots that film was getting at the time as "big reshoots" and was gonna last a few weeks and the troubling implications on how much it would cost fox do the reshoots while also comparing it to other films saying reshoots ain't always bad sign.

Days of Future Past HAD some pretty big reshoots.

• Scenes with the OT cast required to cover up that they removed the Rogue subplot.
• Additional scenes such as Kitty explaining how time travel works replacing existing scenes of lower quality.
• New scenes with the First Class cast covering up the original scenes in the third act where Logan snaps out of consciousness and attacks Hank.
• Reshooting some part of Mystique's journey twice for scenes where Mystique returns to the mansion and the implications of that. The first version where she actually meets Logan and the others, and the second where she goes there in secret to destroy Cerebro.

And that's just the ones we know about.

 

[Orba]

Well according to reports, the reshoots for Dark Phoenix are supposedly expected to take place in late summer/early fall (between June-September). Filming was completed in October 2017. So that's around an 9 month or so span until reshoots.

However, look at Avengers 4. Production for that movie wrapped in January of this year and it releases in May 2019 in U.S. That movie is also undergoing reshoots in late 2018. So that's around the same span of time between production and reshoots as Dark Phoenix. I don't think the date reshuffle for release of Dark Phoenix has much to do with the reshoots, but rather they wanted a better release spot. It sounds like Fox was premature with their release dates.

Avengers 4 is hardly a good comparison considering it was filmed back to back with Avengers 3 which just came out. The two films were shot together to make maximum use of the time that they had the large cast together. They did reshoots for Avengers 3 in order to get it out on its date and they will be doing the pickups for A4 later in the year now that Infinity War is out and they are free to work on the next film. Avengers is an example of proper scheduling, bad scheduling is having to push a film back because you never scheduled for reshoots. If Fox knew that some of the cast would not be available if pickups were needed then they should never been cast, they should have done what all other film productions do, they get cast that they know will be available. None of the members of the cast are big names where the film would be impossible without them.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Again, you make more false accusations directed at me in a desperate attempt to make your point. How delusive of you. Where in my comments did I claim there will be NO reshoots? Did you read the last part of my quote you posted:"So Fox may or may not be doing re-shoots since we don't really have any firm information concerning it." So, please tell me where did I state there will be NO reshoots? I like how you conveniently ignored ALL of my comments in which I made CLEAR we won't know if there are reshoots unless it come from an OFFICIAL source

Now, did you seriously miss all those or do you have reading comprehension problems? Stop spreading false claims EnDz0n3. I will defend myself.

You’re obviously talking out of both sides of your mouth when you berate people into being “careful” believing rumours about major reshoots, but also here’s your handpicked rumours about a 3rd act correction.

I can already see the talking points coming out if this movie sucks. The movie was previously a perfect Simon Kinberg-directed part 1 movie of a 2-part series, that Disney had to unceremoniously ruin by having him wrap it up in 1. All the missing character development from other characters would’ve been done in that second film. But ooooh Dat Disney!!!1!

Did you forget the message I sent you last time: "So, how about analyze things a little bit more harder before being quick to type out the next snipe, OK EnDz0n3?" Do better.

You really like typing my name don’t you? Lol

 

[EnDz0n3]

Anyways good luck to the cast and crew being back in Montreal in the “ber” months. At least, hopefully they’ll be out of there before winter really starts going.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I can already see the talking points coming out if this movie sucks. The movie was previously a perfect Simon Kinberg-directed part 1 movie of a 2-part series, that Disney had to unceremoniously ruin by having him wrap it up in 1. All the missing character development from other characters would’ve been done in that second film. But ooooh Dat Disney!!!1!

Yeah, I can really see this argument being used.

 

[GuestStar2004]

they should have done what all other film productions do, they get cast that they know will be available

When you have Sophie filming GOT that is bound to take up a fair amount of her time.

Presumably a lot of the scheduling has to be around her, which means everyone else has to make themselves free to do it at that time too.

 

[Cktopl33]

You’re obviously talking out of both sides of your mouth when you berate people into being “careful” believing rumours about major reshoots, but also here’s your handpicked rumours about a 3rd act correction.

Officially announced statements are not rumors. So, nothing about that to be careful of if its coming from an official source, is there? I never claimed the third act rumor was true. I said its more plausible IF it were true because there was evidence to suggest a second part to this movie. So that's not entirely based on rumor. And as I said earlier, they could simply be patching up the edges to make the film tighter. It doesn't have to involve the 3rd act at all. That was simply my guess based on all the data collected from statements made directly by cast and crew connected to the film. None of that dismisses the fact of your false accusation claiming that 'I said there were no reshoots'. I did not state that. And I never said you have to be 'careful about believing rumours about major reshoot'. I said you have to be very careful about dubious claims like the one suggesting that neither Fox nor Kinberg knew anything about the process of reshoots, which just doesn't align with factual data.

The movie was previously a perfect Simon Kinberg-directed part 1 movie of a 2-part series, that Disney had to unceremoniously ruin by having him wrap it up in 1.

If reshoots aren't extensive, then there's no significant change affecting what was already shot. Kinberg is still responsible for the outcome of the movie regardless because he's the director.

You really like typing my name don’t you? Lol

Well I do like to call out liars, so........

 

[Cktopl33]

Avengers 4 is hardly a good comparison considering it was filmed back to back with Avengers 3 which just came out. The two films were shot together to make maximum use of the time that they had the large cast together. They did reshoots for Avengers 3 in order to get it out on its date and they will be doing the pickups for A4 later in the year now that Infinity War is out and they are free to work on the next film. Avengers is an example of proper scheduling, bad scheduling is having to push a film back because you never scheduled for reshoots. If Fox knew that some of the cast would not be available if pickups were needed then they should never been cast, they should have done what all other film productions do, they get cast that they know will be available. None of the members of the cast are big names where the film would be impossible without them.

They were shot one after the other. Infinity war was shot Jan-July 2017. Avengers 4 was shot Aug 2017-Jan 2018. Unfinished scenes for Infinity War were shot during Avengers 4 where cast were likely already available on set for Avengers 4. So there's no real difference in actor availability here. Avengers 4 will still have the same length of time between reshoots as Dark Phoenix because Disney-Marvel isn't shooting another movie back to back where the cast will all be available at the same time. And films aren't always pushed back because of 'improper scheduling' for reshoots. As said before, Fox rescheduled many of their films and shows, not just Dark Phoenix.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Can the bickering

Thank you

 

[SumT]

what was wrong of my comment about a script being the core of a movie?

and is this supposed to be fine?

Well I do like to call out liars, so........

Im lost

 

[X-Maniac]

Where in my comments did I claim there will be NO reshoots? Did you read the last part of my quote you posted:"So Fox may or may not be doing re-shoots since we don't really have any firm information concerning it." So, please tell me where did I state there will be NO reshoots? I like how you conveniently ignored ALL of my comments in which I made CLEAR we won't know if there are reshoots unless it come from an OFFICIAL source

Your reply wasn't addressed to me but it's clear you think it's possible there are not any reshoots, because you say 'may or may NOT'.

This means you believe there is a chance that there are no reshoots for Dark Phoenix.

That's a ridiculous standpoint because all these big Hollywood blockbusters have additional filming these days.

Secondly, reshoots are hardly ever officially announced.

Info is usually leaked, or fans start speculating something is going on, and then on rare occasions reshoots are sometimes confirmed.

In the case of Fox's Predator reboot, the co-writer eventually confirmed reshoots (which he called "little touch-ups") after the film's release was twice delayed (from February to August and then to September), and after mixed responses to test screenings. A cast member later said "just about three-quarters of the third act was rewritten."

That doesn't seem that different to what's happening with Dark Phoenix. Test screenings to the public apparently had a mixed/poor response (though earlier screenings to execs and their families were said to be positive) and the film is being pushed back, and there will be reworking of the third act for the reshoots.

With two big films getting reworking of the third act and new release dates, plus all the various troubles with New Mutants, and Gambit losing three directors, it does look like the studio is floundering.

I'm not sure if people at Fox are panicking about getting things right to protect jobs they think will be lost in the takeover deal, or whether there is just a festering heap of poor management. It just doesn't look good.

 

[SumT]

agreed on your last part. Its not just one case, its like Fox is in trouble lately with many productions being affected, needing bigger reshots than usual that end in push backs. This is not good, and most importantly, it creates bad word of mouth in the community, and this always, always, leads to a worse reception.

Hello Fantastic Four
Justice League
and co.

Fox is messing these productions one way or another. That or they are just signing mediocre writers that later need even more rewrites after filming is done/screenings. So... maybe they should sign better writers?

just saying.

 

[Frankeh]

Yeah it's ludicrous to act like there's a possibility there aren't any reshoots.

It's been confirmed that the reason the movie was pushed back is because of reshoots. Whether you take that to mean a negative or a positive is your prerogative, but their inminency is indisputable.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

Still hoping famke janssen is in this <3

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Tye on the set of DPh

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Yeah it's ludicrous to act like there's a possibility there aren't any reshoots.

The reason is the visualization

The earliest availability for everyone to return was August or September of this year, which would leave just a couple of months to complete necessary visual effects for the new scenes. That wasn’t enough time.

And Kinberg said in december

"I wanted the post time to deliver on the nuance of the visual effects, not just the scale of them. That takes time".