Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[DACrowe]

IIt's not in any way. When Rogue, Cyclops, Emma, Gambit, Psylocke, Storm, Kitty, Iceman, Angel, Jubilee, Colossus...you know the actual X-Men, have even a third of their potential or screen time as the IW characters in an X-Men film then we can make that argument.

Let alone an actual good movie on the level of a team ensemble like IW and not XMA or X3. Laughing at fans cause Cap didn't get much screen time in IW and that somehow is the same as what the X-Men franchise does to almost all of it's characters is in no way comparable. If they gave Cyclops even two of the hero moments Cap had in IW in X3 we all would have been geeking out. Instead he cried and got killed off screen cause he was involved in another project.

You are right, Cap, Natasha, Black Panther, etc. were developed in other movies, so fans feel like they're represented. But I am able to note that none of them have much of an impact in IW. Noting that is not a critique. I'm just observing it, which I found kind of amusing. There really isn't more to it than that. (And for the record, I do wish Thor or Gamora, or someone had more to do, because the only character who felt well-serviced by this half-a-story was, ironically, Thanos.)

P.S. I never said I laughed at fans.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

You dont know who are the x-men then.

The X-men are Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Rogue, Beast and co.

Thats like saying the Guardians of the galaxy movies are Avengers movies

Deadpool is X-Men.

 

[Drexelhand]

You dont know who are the x-men then.

The X-men are Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Jean, Rogue, Beast and co.

Thats like saying the Guardians of the galaxy movies are Avengers movies

Let us see. Deadpool first appeared in New Mutants, an X-Men comic book. He then made recurring appearances in X-Force and Cable, X-Men comic books. His first limited series heavily featured Juggernaut, Black Tom Cassidy, Copycat, Garrison Kane, Department and focused on the aftermath of Tyler Dayspring abandoning the Tolliver identity - keep in mind, those are all X-Men characters, organizations and plot points. His second limited series was actually a story about Banshee, Siryn, Black Tom Cassidy and Juggernaut - X-Men characters - that only featured him as the vessel through which their story was told. He's commonly paired with Cable, an X-Men character, and often features in X-Men alternative universes, like as Dead Man Wade. His video game involves the X-Men and their antagonists but not really any other Marvel characters. His first film features so many references to the X-Men, features two X-Men, the Xavier Estate and X-Men villains. His second film

Spoiler

actually features the X-Men themselves.

Yeah, simple logic says he's not an X-Men character because he's like the Guardians of the Galaxy - characters based loosely (as in, they borrowed the name) off of some members of a comic book that came out in 2008 as opposed to the original that came out in the 60s and was self-contained.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Thing with deadpool is that you can't have him magically appear anywhere without logical sense as it just asks why take him seriously whenever the films expect you too if he can break any 4th wall rules whenever he wants.

To a certain degree you have to take him and his world seriously.

Its like someone dying and deadpool rewinding the movie with his 4th wall breaking powers just because he can... although might be going abit far.

I see no problem with that. It is Deadpool. That's who he is. There is no fourth wall. It is no different than when Dark Helmet and Colonel Sandurz find Lone Star by putting in the Spaceballs VHS tape and fast forward to that part of the movie.

You ask "why take him seriously" when he was never meant to be taken seriously. At all.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I see no problem with that. It is Deadpool. That's who he is. There is no fourth wall. It is no different than when Dark Helmet and Colonel Sandurz find Lone Star by putting in the Spaceballs VHS tape and fast forward to that part of the movie.

You ask "why take him seriously" when he was never meant to be taken seriously. At all.

It's like the first deadpool movie, they obviously wanted you to be invested in his situation, the love story and his search for villain. But if there is no boundaries then there is nothing to invest or take seriously.

And that includes for X-Force.

Now deadpool can crack a dozen forth wall jokes but you do still want to ground him to a certain degree for the sake of story telling.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Deadpool is X-Men.

Deadpool is not X-men.

 

[Ryan1210]

Yeah. Trainee.

 

[Jh7058622]

Thats like saying the Guardians of the galaxy movies are Avengers movies

Wtf are you even talking about? Those are apples and oranges situations buddy. More like saying Captain America movies aren't Avengers or the Batgirl movie isn't a Batman film.

 

[DACrowe]

Thats like saying the Guardians of the galaxy movies are Avengers movies

You may not be aware of this... but most people do. The term Avengers and "Marvel" are becoming interchangeable, and that was before Infinity War threw the Guardians into an Avengers movie. To put it another way, James Gunn got a bit touchy about this on twitter a few months ago when I want to say it was CNN said something to the effect of "Chris Pratt has already appeared in two Avengers movies."

To the mainstream, it's all the same thing. And if Deadpool 2 is name dropping X-Men left and right, it is fair to guess that the intended effect of it being considered an X-Men film will stick.

 

[Kuwolski]

People try too hard to be smart in the dumbest ways.

 

[psylockolussus]

Oh here we go again, with MCU debates...

 

[Jh7058622]

Says the person who starts 90% of them...

 

[Davidstorm]

Of course deadpool is xmen
Most people see deadpool as an x-men movie, the character himself in his films makes it clear that he is part of the same "universe" .. even the new movie contains even more references to x-men,this new film will have scenes in the institute xavier.
It's very strange to have to debate this.
we are facing another case of selectivity, how he achieved good results is not x-men, if he had failed, it would be x-men..

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm wondering where the rumoured X-Men cameos in Deadpool 2 place the timeline of the film.

Why aren't the other X-Men in Negasonic's yellow/black uniform in their own film? Where are Colossus and Negasonic during X-Men Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix?

Nothing makes sense in this franchise.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

I'm wondering where the rumoured X-Men cameos in Deadpool 2 place the timeline of the film.

Why aren't the other X-Men in Negasonic's yellow/black uniform in their own film? Where are Colossus and Negasonic during X-Men Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix?

Nothing makes sense in this franchise.

From DP2 thread

Spoiler

It's meant less to be the X-men in the current time, and more of the cast of Dark Phoenix. Taken literally, it ****s on the timeline. lol. But it came o the heels of Wade complaining the studio won't throw them a bone. so it's fun 4th wall breaker.

 

[SumT]

some users dont understand my point I see.

- a spinoff being set in the x-men world doesnt make it a "Xmen movie".
- a x-men movie is a movie tittled x-men with the x-men as the lead characters.
- Logan is not a x-men movie, is a spinoff with one X-Man and charles. Its set in the x-men world, but its still a Wolverine movie, not a x-men movie. Common sense.

just like Captain America Winter soldier is not an Avengers movie. It has Widow and Fury, but the tittle, lead and overall movie is a captain america movie.

so Captain America 1 and 2 are Cap movies
Thor trilogy are thor movies
Wolverine trilogy are wolverine movies
Deadpool are Deadpool movies.

they all can have cameos or one xmen/avenger as a supporting, but the lead is the lead.

its not that hard to understand.

 

[GuestStar2004]

 

[psylockolussus]

Says the person who starts 90% of them...

Give me a link in which I started one. Lmao. And there's no debate for me, its a given which studio is better. I just state facts, not debate.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm wondering where the rumoured X-Men cameos in Deadpool 2 place the timeline of the film.

Why aren't the other X-Men in Negasonic's yellow/black uniform in their own film? Where are Colossus and Negasonic during X-Men Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix?

Nothing makes sense in this franchise.

It doesn't supposed to make sense. Its just a cameo to promote Dark PhoeniX because clearly they need the eXposure, to convince the audience to watch a X-Men flick that isn't as hyped compare to the bigger films of 2018.

Fox was probably like, screw it, the continuity don't make sense anyway, Dark PhoeniX doesn't need to underperform like Apocalypse. Lol.

Anyway,.... If only were Deadpool and X-Men movies were set in the present, this wouldn't be a meaningless/jokey cameo. The cameo could serve as a teaser to a future crossover ala dofp.

 

[Link]

Give me a link in which I started one. Lmao. And there's no debate for me, its a given which studio is better. I just state facts, not debate.

"A given fact". If you only watch superhero films, maybe?

 

[psylockolussus]

Well I was clearly referring to Marvel films because I have seen them all to make an opinion and I've also seen how people/critics react to those all Marvel films.

 

[1627523]

It doesn't supposed to make sense. Its just a cameo to promote Dark PhoeniX because clearly they need the eXposure, to convince the audience to watch a X-Men flick that isn't as hyped compare to the bigger films of 2018.

Fox was probably like, screw it, the continuity don't make sense anyway, Dark PhoeniX doesn't need to underperform like Apocalypse. Lol.

Anyway,.... If only were Deadpool and X-Men movies were set in the present, this wouldn't be a meaningless/jokey cameo. The cameo could serve as a teaser to a future crossover ala dofp.

Or it could be a nice Easter egg...
Also I'm confused by the fact that you believe Fox mandated this how do you know this isn't something the deadpool crew did for fun since they were filming at the same time?

 

[psylockolussus]

A confusing easter egg. Thing is some people would interpret it differently. Is Deadpool now set in the 90s? Where's Colossus in Dark PhoeniX? Are they gonna do a cross over later on? It opens a lot of questions when in the first place, its just a joke about the messy continuity/promotion for Dark Phoenix. Is that good story telling/world building, not at all.

 

[Link]

Fair enough! I think Marvel, Fox and WB all have 9.5-10/10 superhero films in their catalogue, and I can't pick the best one. Marvel is reliable and consistent, Fox is creative and unpredictable, DC *was* director-driven and substantial.

 

[psylockolussus]

Meanwhile most X-Men are lucky to say two lines of dialogue in the whole series or play a part beyond VFX.

There's a rumor that Dazzler is just a party DJ and that's her only role in the movie. I mean, how groundbreaking this franchise is.

Meanwhile, you have Negasonic, then made up characters like Peter, Dopinder and Shioli in more eXciting roles.