Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 12

[Dark Raven]

I think we have different thoughts
for me, from the moment I have a blog, and I say that I have an exclusive novelty about something that matters, logically I know that other people and sites will get this and publish in their channels by divulging the link of my blog, it's something already thinking to have this result, even if it's nothing new this ends up being a news, I bet with you that if tomorrow you create a blog and create a rumor "exclusive" about something of interest or simply gather everything you have and for some new words, this will be reported by several sites, and this my point of view, but I understand what you mean.

So do you consider everyone's posts here as news? Suppose someone gets hold of someone's posts here and reports that as news? Just because these are in the public eye wouldn't make it actual news.

The blog above isn't the same as actual news sites like Variety or Deadline, or even sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Comic Book Resources. It's not an article on a news site. It's just an entry in a blog which, as you admitted, anyone can start up at any time. You seem to be treating that blog as if it is something even like Collider or Comic Book Resources. It doesn't carry any authority at the moment, especially since it has been only going just over 10 weeks.

 

[Davidstorm]

So do you consider everyone's posts here as news? Suppose someone gets hold of someone's posts here and reports that as news? Just because these are in the public eye wouldn't make it actual news.

The blog above isn't the same as actual news sites like Variety or Deadline, or even sites like Collider, Screen Rant or Comic Book Resources. It's not an article on a news site. It's just an entry in a blog which, as you admitted, anyone can start up at any time. You seem to be treating that blog as if it is something even like Collider or Comic Book Resources. It doesn't carry any authority at the moment, especially since it has been only going just over 10 weeks.

Oh god, this debate will never end t:
dear, I'm not understanding the reason for this debate., I just gave my opinion that I found the rumor of him with face of invention or more of the same with an "exclusive" in the title to get leverage the blog, it is just that, the world will not end.

 

[Cktopl33]

I don't know if Bret Andrew is a credible source, but he posted some Dark Phoenix info supposedly provided by FOX production execs. I originally saw this at Bleeding Cool:

This next part is unverified, but it seems Dark Phoenix is indeed undergoing reshoots, with entire sets needing to be reconstructed that were already taken down. This is merely conjecture on my part, but I got the impression the studio is not entirely pleased with Kinberg, as he did not plan ahead enough during the actual shoot for this eventuality, so it was incumbent upon the digital effects department to “re-build” entire sets that had already been scrapped. Not good!

I'd be very careful with claims like this. To say that Kinberg didn't plan ahead enough make this claim very dubious. Kinberg as a producer has been on films that have undergone re-shoots before, including x-men. He knows how that process works.

As for the re-shoots, none of this information really came from any official channels. If you remember, these rumors got started when Fox announced they were moving the release date. People began to speculate re-shoots were the reason why (since New Mutants were doing re-shoots) and started writing blog posts and webpage articles around that claim. But they seem to ignore that Fox was rearranging a lot of release dates for their films and tv shows, not just in the x-men franchise. We know New Mutants were undergoing re-shoots because certain cast members came forward to confirm it. But with Dark Phoenix, this is all based on rumors with certain "insider sources", not anything confirmed. And they all give conflicting accounts concerning the scale of the re-shoots, the amount of time to shoot it, the cost, what characters are involved.....putting into question how reliable the "insider sources" truly are because they are saying different things. So Fox may or may not be doing re-shoots since we don't really have any firm information concerning it.

 

[EnDz0n3]

So I wonder how extensive the reshoots are.

 

[SumT]

someone said 2 months on twitter.
not sure if true, but if so, thats half a normal shoot (4 months for XMDP last year). a lot

 

[Davidstorm]

So I wonder how extensive the reshoots are.

some say it's 2 weeks
other 2 months
other sources say it involves the whole 3 act
and all this with internal sources, fox or simon himself should have come and said something.
to end this confusion

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Well actually X-Force or gambit could be given the circumstances.

But X-men DP 2019 will be the last main x-men movie by Fox. However, there will be anothers spin-off movies until 2020 (Deadpool3, X-Force, New Mutants..)
but I doubt about Gambit, Madrox, Kitty if Fox would have time enough to make these solo and release them before 2021

 

[Davidstorm]

The Fox event is now April 26
I hope they bring some news, or official information

 

[Zarex]

I'd be very careful with claims like this. To say that Kinberg didn't plan ahead enough make this claim very dubious. Kinberg as a producer has been on films that have undergone re-shoots before, including x-men. He knows how that process works.

Simon was also largely responsible for FFINO. This definitely aint his first rodeo.

 

[magneto23]

Maybe I don't know enough about how things work. But scrapping "entire" sets sounds absurd to me. I get that they have been done filming for months and that everything was taken down. Shouldn't pieces of these sets be lying around in some fox storage lot or something?

 

[Davidstorm]

Maybe I don't know enough about how things work. But scrapping "entire" sets sounds absurd to me. I get that they have been done filming for months and that everything was taken down. Shouldn't pieces of these sets be lying around in some fox storage lot or something?

Yes
even in post production, they may want to make reshoots or improvements in the scenes, the fox or any other studio or director would never let them destroy entire sets before testing the movie completely.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Id imagine there are rules and guidelines in place for this stuff.

 

[C. Lee]

Maybe I don't know enough about how things work. But scrapping "entire" sets sounds absurd to me. I get that they have been done filming for months and that everything was taken down. Shouldn't pieces of these sets be lying around in some fox storage lot or something?

Some times sets are destroyed. A famous example is the 60's BATMAN TV series. After ABC decided to cancel the series, CBS started negotiating to pick it up....then they found out that someone at ABC had authorized the sets to be torn down and destroyed. CBS dropped their interest because they didn't want to pay to recreate the sets.

 

[Silvermoth]

It’s an interesting way to go out though. We all know Phoenix could destroy the universe if it felt like it. But that could also never happen because marvel would be out of business.

I reckon wrap things up, finish on a musical number with the entire cast past and present and then bam we watch Phoenix destroy the universe. Then marvel starts anew. The true meaning of a Phoenix, rising from the ashes

 

[EnDz0n3]

Maybe I don't know enough about how things work. But scrapping "entire" sets sounds absurd to me. I get that they have been done filming for months and that everything was taken down. Shouldn't pieces of these sets be lying around in some fox storage lot or something?

Here’s the opposite scenario where a massive set is reused for another movie entirely, as it was using precious studio space.

X-mansion set from X2 that was housed at Mammoth Studios in Vancouver literally being destroyed on film:

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[X-Maniac]

As for the re-shoots, none of this information really came from any official channels. If you remember, these rumors got started when Fox announced they were moving the release date. People began to speculate re-shoots were the reason why (since New Mutants were doing re-shoots) and started writing blog posts and webpage articles around that claim. But they seem to ignore that Fox was rearranging a lot of release dates for their films and tv shows, not just in the x-men franchise. We know New Mutants were undergoing re-shoots because certain cast members came forward to confirm it. But with Dark Phoenix, this is all based on rumors with certain "insider sources", not anything confirmed. And they all give conflicting accounts concerning the scale of the re-shoots, the amount of time to shoot it, the cost, what characters are involved.....putting into question how reliable the "insider sources" truly are because they are saying different things. So Fox may or may not be doing re-shoots since we don't really have any firm information concerning it.

The Hollywood Reporter said there were "major reshoots" on the film because of reworking the third act.

It gave no timings except "late summer/early fall."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...shoots-as-simon-kinberg-tweaks-script-1097808

That Twitter suggestion of two months of reshoots doesn't sound entirely unreasonable if this is the dramatic climax and finale of the film with big scenes and action sequences.

As for them having to digitally re-create sets, I'm surprised studios don't hang on to everything longer, at least until test screenings are done to determine if reshoots are needed. Especially with this being Kinberg's first directing job where he wants to make sure it's all as good as can be.

 

[fobi]

Here’s the opposite scenario where a massive set is reused for another movie entirely, as it was using precious studio space.

X-mansion set from X2 that was housed at Mammoth Studios in Vancouver literally being destroyed on film:

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Wow I always thought that house looked familiar. Lol

 

[TheVileOne]

Wrath of Khan reused lots of sets from The Motion Picture and even stock footage

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's been said Mystique and Laurio's sleezy bar bathroom stall in X2 was supposed to be for Scott's planned origin scene for X1 that was never filmed.

 

[psylockolussus]

The General Audience just doesn't care for the FC imo. If X4-X6 were only with OT i honestly think at least one would've hit a billion.

Glad they never fully went back to them though it'll make the transition easier since GA only got a taste of them on dofp which mostly focused on fc (it would've been better with way more OT scenes imo).

MCU is currently celebrating its 10th year with those who starred in the big hits.... In the Foxverse, Halle,Marsden, Famke, McKellen, Grammer, Paquin, Ashmore and Page are done despite appearing in the biggest X-Men team film since X3... Meanwhile, Apocalypse could not even outgross X1 in America.

I don't know if Bret Andrew is a credible source, but he posted some Dark Phoenix info supposedly provided by FOX production execs. I originally saw this at Bleeding Cool:

X-Men: Dark Phoenix will be the last proper Fox Marvel movie, presumably also the last in that continuity. The crew behind the camera has been thanked for their work but their services will not be needed any longer, as everything is moving to Disney. Apparently, the X-Men being integrated into the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a done deal, and merely awaiting the approval of the merger. Kevin Feige is “hoovering up” all of the Fox-Marvel characters, and is already planning for them all to go into Phase 4. This includes the X-Men, Deadpool, and Fantastic Four. In what capacity and with what actors was not discussed.

This next part is unverified, but it seems Dark Phoenix is indeed undergoing reshoots, with entire sets needing to be reconstructed that were already taken down. This is merely conjecture on my part, but I got the impression the studio is not entirely pleased with Kinberg, as he did not plan ahead enough during the actual shoot for this eventuality, so it was incumbent upon the digital effects department to “re-build” entire sets that had already been scrapped. Not good!

http://comicgenre.com/index.php/201...ure-of-disney-fox-deal-for-marvel-characters/

Sounds eXciting!

 

[psyonic]

MCU is currently celebrating its 10th year with those who starred in the big hits.... In the Foxverse, Halle,Marsden, Famke, McKellen, Grammer, Paquin, Ashmore and Page are done despite appearing in the biggest X-Men team film since X3... Meanwhile, Apocalypse could not even outgross X1 in America.



Sounds eXciting!

Phase 4 focuses on mutants? I'm okay with that!

 

[X-Maniac]

Even if Fox had managed the X-Men franchise perfectly, the sale to Disney would still have happened.

But it might have meant keeping the Foxverse going.

As it stands, the Foxverse is so messy and flawed that it's likely going to be completely rebooted and a lot of people at Fox will lose their jobs.

I've enjoyed many of the FoX-Men films but there have been some major stumbles along the way. To such an extent we're now screaming for no more Magneto, Mystique and Beast.

It's unreal that this franchise has got to a point where we are begging for Mystique to be killed off and Magneto to be written out.

After X1 and X2, the franchise has been shaky until DoFP got things back on track. But then Apocalypse squandered all that rebuilt potential.

Now we near New Mutants may never be released and are left to wonder what Dark Phoenix is really like. With these 'major reshoots' following the latest test screenings, it doesn't look like it was any good, does it?

 

[psylockolussus]

I just think if Fox is handling this better, they wouldn't end in such a bad note. Last film would be set in the past, directed by a guy with a bad track record. While the last present day film killed Xavier and Logan on screen, the rest off screen. After a dozen of films, it would just end up like this? Geez. Then New Mutants is going to the bin because the quality embarrassed the executives? While Deadpool would continue doing its own thing for how many films eXactly? And there's Gambit, X-23, Jamie, Kitty underdevelopment... Geez. In a way I'm kinda happy that Disney is finally taking over before Fox does more damage to the property as a whole, but then again I'm kinda sad that things could have at least ended better if they had a better vision for the property.

In hind sight, when things are finally with Disney, people would wish Fox have just made X5/X6 as the final Foxverse films with Logan connected to X6. Instead of getting two unnecessary prequels that featured Kinberg's favorite actors.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Phase 4 focuses on mutants? I'm okay with that!

Its likely they already planned out Phase 4 way before the deal was even a thing.

 

[GuestStar2004]

With these 'major reshoots' following the latest test screenings, it doesn't look like it was any good, does it?

So far what we have heard has been fairly positive about the film for those who claim to have seen screenings of the film. its just Reshoots can be done for many particular reasons.