Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Alison Blaire]

The Singer-verse finished with “Logan”.

 

[Cktopl33]

Well, Kinberg doesn’t have the best track record with reshoot wigs, so...

Kinberg doesn't have that track record since it's his first time directing. Only the director sign off on costume style. For example, Kinberg was asked about Apocalyspe's costume design:

That’s really a question for Bryan, but he had a very clear sense of the way he wanted him to look, and he wanted it to feel, I think , a little less grounded than we’ve had in this franchise before, a little bit more otherworldly.

 

[JP]

I don’t accept that reasoning. It feels like an excuse.

For instance X2 managed many little character moments and personality insights and no one is criticising the pacing in that movie.

No one seeks out to make a bad film (though in Kinberg's case he simply lacks the ability to make a good one) but why do you think the scene was cut? Do you really think they looked at that ONE 15 second scene and thought "Mwahahaa, let's cut Storm cause we don't like her lololol"

 

[Cktopl33]

it would be strange having nothing
WB will show aquaman and shazam trailers
I can not believe that the fox goes to this event just to talk about the movie the predator and about the bluray of deadpool 2 ... if this happens it will really be something shameful

If they show it directly after SDCC (like maybe the first week of Aug or later), they won't be competing for attention....is my guess. The flurry of SDCC will have passed. Then they'll have the moment for themselves.

 

[TheVileOne]

AV Club has a terrific article on X-Men as part of their Age of Heroes series. The costuming and special effects haven't aged well, but it still amazes me that Singer managed to pull off an entertaining film about a whole damn superhero team at a time when a single costumed adventurer was considered BO poison.

With the Singer-verse coming to a close, perhaps as early as the end of this month, let's take a moment to appreciate the movie that started the golden age of superhero films nearly two decades ago.

https://www.avclub.com/the-modern-era-of-the-superhero-movie-begins-in-earnest-1827373752

I kind of agree. In 2018, the film hasn't aged all that well. But getting a movie like that in 2000, post Batman and Robin, seemed like a modern miracle.

I still think there are things in the first X-Men that work incredibly well, such as the opening Holocaust scene and Stewart as Xavier. Ian McKellan as Magneto. All perfect casting. Like all the building blocks were there. I think Singer honestly captured the themes and some of the character motivations.

I think he also proved that these characters and properties are viable movie franchise material. That's also important.

I mean look, there are things about X-Men: TAS that haven't aged great either. It's still a very important show.

 

[psyonic]

I kind of agree. In 2018, the film hasn't aged all that well. But getting a movie like that in 2000, post Batman and Robin, seemed like a modern miracle.

I still think there are things in the first X-Men that work incredibly well, such as the opening Holocaust scene and Stewart as Xavier. Ian McKellan as Magneto. All perfect casting. Like all the building blocks were there. I think Singer honestly captured the themes and some of the character motivations.

I think he also proved that these characters and properties are viable movie franchise material. That's also important.

I mean look, there are things about X-Men: TAS that haven't aged great either. It's still a very important show.

On the other hand, Batman TAS has aged well and is a classic.. the period it was set in, the Art Deco style.. so gooood.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Kinberg doesn't have that track record since it's his first time directing. Only the director sign off on costume style. For example, Kinberg was asked about Apocalyspe's costume design:

He ghost directed the reshoots of Fantastic Four. You know, the bits with Kate Mara’s atrocious wig?

 

[SumT]

Kinberg doesnt have any blame!!
you guys are so harsh with him!!!
he's a pasionate fan, clever writer, producer and so respectful with the source material!

#KinbergForever

 

[Jh7058622]

He ghost directed the reshoots of Fantastic Four. You know, the bits with Kate Mara’s atrocious wig?

So one wig is a "track record" lol? Good to know. Also that was a production with a much smaller budget hopefully he's going to have more to work with this go round.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

So one wig is a "track record" lol? Good to know. Also that was a production with a much smaller budget hopefully he's going to have to work with this go round.

0-1 kind of qualifies as a track record.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

X-Men Movies @XMenMovies (official Twitter for X-Men movies)
https://***********/XMenMovies/status/1018148110470529025

What it’s like trying to find your friends at #SDCC. #XMen

Dark Phoenix for SDCC confirmed?

 

[Dark Raven]

Kinberg doesn't have the best Trank record.

 

[SumT]

lol at the link redirecting to "xmen apocolypse itunes"

they still trying to get some extra coins after the boxoffice dissapointment

 

[1627523]

lol at the link redirecting to "xmen apocolypse itunes"

they still trying to get some extra coins after the boxoffice dissapointment

Didn't it still make a profit Or did it lose money? I can't remember.

 

[Zarex]

I still think there are things in the first X-Men that work incredibly well, such as the opening Holocaust scene and Stewart as Xavier. Ian McKellan as Magneto. All perfect casting. Like all the building blocks were there. I think Singer honestly captured the themes and some of the character motivations.

Though comic book readers are often thought of as a tad too precious regarding the print versions, a lot of the changes Singer implemented were improvements from the source material and embraced by fans: Storm's eyes clouding over when using her powers, Rogue as Wolverine's teen sidekick rather than Kitty or Jubilee, dropping Evil Mutants from The Brotherhood and making Charles a Brit. I also liked using Logan as an entrypoint, the presentation of Xavier's School as having a large enrollment(I believe that was new) and Marie "earning" her stripes.

My interest in the series waned with the one-two punch of XM:TLS and XMO:W combined with the launch of the MCU. But I still hold Singer's first two entries among my favorites.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Didn't it still make a profit Or did it lose money? I can't remember.

It made a profit. although linking to XA on itunes is more business related then trying to make money at this point. if it was as easy as just sending out itunes links to people online to make money they probably would do it all the time.

 

[GuestStar2004]

So one wig is a "track record" lol? Good to know. Also that was a production with a much smaller budget hopefully he's going to have more to work with this go round.

Well whether Simon Kinberg ghost directed Fantastic Four or not. i don't think its ever been confirmed beyond being an unsourced rumor but lets say for a moment he did... Well the wig makers are to blame for that one

Its like blaming Josh Whedon on the effects guys either not having enough time or not doing a great job on removing cavill's mustache

As for Sophie Turner... she will just dye her hair again when she goes back for reshoots .

 

[X-Maniac]

No one seeks out to make a bad film (though in Kinberg's case he simply lacks the ability to make a good one) but why do you think the scene was cut? Do you really think they looked at that ONE 15 second scene and thought "Mwahahaa, let's cut Storm cause we don't like her lololol"

I think it was cut because some characters in the movie - Storm, Jubilee, Psylocke, who also happen to be the ethnically diverse characters, and also Nightcrawler - were deemed background roles and not important enough for development so they were the ones who were first in line for scenes to be edited out.

I think it has nothing to do with 'pacing' - how is that even measured or decided? - but to do with the characters chosen to lead the movie.

 

[SumT]

basically.
they never cut Magneto character development, he always has plenty. Storm, Jubilee, Psylocke and co. after 6 team movies, always got material cut or just poor roles. How convenient.

 

[Frankeh]

Though comic book readers are often thought of as a tad too precious regarding the print versions, a lot of the changes Singer implemented were improvements from the source material and embraced by fans: Storm's eyes clouding over when using her powers, Rogue as Wolverine's teen sidekick rather than Kitty or Jubilee, dropping Evil Mutants from The Brotherhood and making Charles a Brit. I also liked using Logan as an entrypoint, the presentation of Xavier's School as having a large enrollment(I believe that was new) and Marie "earning" her stripes.

My interest in the series waned with the one-two punch of XM:TLS and XMO:W combined with the launch of the MCU. But I still hold Singer's first two entries among my favorites.

The first two films remain the best. Jackman was a homerun in the role (I think Fox's biggest achievement) and he anchors the movies perfectly, McKellen and Stewart playing off each other are brilliant, Cumming's Nighcrawler and Stanford's Pyro were great additions, Famke Janssen was charming and sultry as Jean Grey, I always liked Rogue/Iceman relationship, no retconning or continuity baggage also helps.

 

[BMM]

I think it has nothing to do with 'pacing' - how is that even measured or decided?

By film editors. All the time.

Though comic book readers are often thought of as a tad too precious regarding the print versions, a lot of the changes Singer implemented were improvements from the source material and embraced by fans: Storm's eyes clouding over when using her powers, Rogue as Wolverine's teen sidekick rather than Kitty or Jubilee, dropping Evil Mutants from The Brotherhood and making Charles a Brit. I also liked using Logan as an entrypoint, the presentation of Xavier's School as having a large enrollment(I believe that was new) and Marie "earning" her stripes.

My interest in the series waned with the one-two punch of XM:TLS and XMO:W combined with the launch of the MCU. But I still hold Singer's first two entries among my favorites.

I also enjoyed improvements made to things like the subbasement and Cerebro.

 

[Cktopl33]

He ghost directed the reshoots of Fantastic Four. You know, the bits with Kate Mara’s atrocious wig?

I don't accept baseless rumors as fact. You shouldn't either. Stop trying to blame Kinberg for things that weren't his doing. It's getting old at this point.

With some of the cast not fully available at that point and Kinberg juggling X-Men: Apocalypse and Star Wars, a lot of material was shot with doubles and the production moved to Los Angeles to film scenes with Teller against a green screen. "It was chaos," says a crewmember, adding that Trank was still in attendance "but was neutralized by a committee." Another source says the studio pulled together "a dream team," including writer and World War Z veteran Drew Goddard, to rescue the movie. Whether the final version of the film is better or worse than what Trank put together is a matter of opinion, of course, but the consensus, clearly, is that neither was good.

In Trank's case, multiple sources associated with the project say the director did not produce material that would have opened the way to a salvageable film. And by several accounts, he resisted help. "He holed up in a tent and cut himself off from everybody," says one high-level source. Literally, there was a tent on the Louisiana set. "He built a black tent around his monitor," says a crewmember.

Sources say Fox believed in what one executive calls a "grounded, gritty version of Fantastic Four that was almost the opposite of previous versions" — and initially thought Trank could deliver that. Several sources say Fox stood by Trank as he pushed a gloomy tone on young stars Miles Teller, Michael B. Jordan, Kate Mara and Jamie Bell. "During takes, he would be telling [castmembers] when to blink and when to breathe," one person says. "He kept pushing them to make the performance as flat as possible."

 

[Cktopl33]

Kinberg doesnt have any blame!!
you guys are so harsh with him!!!
he's a pasionate fan, clever writer, producer and so respectful with the source material!

#KinbergForever

Placing complete blame on Kinberg for every little thing you don't like, particularly when the blame isn't equal to matter, is the expression of stupidity. No one has to be a fan of Kinberg to understand that. It just make you look fanatical. I don't completely blame Brett Ratner for X3 given the interference of the studio & circumstance before and during production. You see how that work?

 

[Alison Blaire]

The first two films remain the best. Jackman was a homerun in the role (I think Fox's biggest achievement) and he anchors the movies perfectly, McKellen and Stewart playing off each other are brilliant, Cumming's Nighcrawler and Stanford's Pyro were great additions, Famke Janssen was charming and sultry as Jean Grey, I always liked Rogue/Iceman relationship, no retconning or continuity baggage also helps.

The truth

 

[Aurakles]

The first two were good, X2 in particular, but I think DOFP and Logan were both better films.