Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Tymminator]

There’s a Deadpool panel at the coveted Saturday Night scheduled for an hour at Hall H. Not sure what they can show for a movie that’s already come out (and I’m one to underestimate Deadpool’s popularity, so maybe this is the proper venue for that character, who knows?). There’s been talk of an X-Force event (reveal?).

The last two X-men cast showcases were unannounced (DOFP and First Class), so one can only hope they at least have something.

The Deadpool panel may give insight to X-Force and some other stuff, but for them to make a panel just for him, it makes me hope they drop some really cool news.

 

[Ricardo Brown]

Im talking about both FC and XMA.

And X3 was a terrible film too and still made more money than Apocalypse in USA so the point remains: the prequels (except Dofp with both casts) dont interest general audience enough. A good part of general audience left when Fox used just the young actors.

This has been discussed thousands of times, so the fact that some still try to deffend it somehow is curious, to say the least

Well, to be fair, FC was coming right after one bad movie (X3) and one film so terrible that it's still considered to be one of the worst cbms of all time (Origins) so I wouldn't say it's was such a big surprise that it underperformed a little. It still had a great reception from critics and moviegoers alike many of which praised it's cast.
The problem with Apocalypse wasn't the young actors. It was a terrible film with an awful script and bland characters. That's it. While X3 was bad too it was still better than XA.

And X3 was a terrible film too and still made more money than Apocalypse in USA so the point remains

Ok but what about the international market?

I've been a fan of these characters for nearly half a century and you are either lying or EXTREMELY misinformed. Cap fans are THRILLED with Chris Evans portraying Captain frikkin America in a string of wildly successful, extremely well made films that made him one of the most popular comic book characters in the world. The same goes for Hemsworth's Thor, who's the star of the wonderful Ragarock and the mega hit Infinity War. Spidey has also been elevated back from his low point after ASM2.

"Wonderful Ragnarok"?
I just don't see how Thor and Spider-Man fans can be happy with their MCU movies. I loved them these characters in IW but their last solo films were crap and I hope the MCU X-Men are nothing like that.

I just pray none of the MCU Xmen films end up like Homecoming or Ragnarok.

Exactly
Rangarok was so bad it was nearly unwatchable piece of garbage for me.

 

[Lip]

I hope the MCU X-Men are nothing like that.

Well, I'm not worried. I don't think it can be anywhere near worse than:
-Mystique as the martyr, hero and central role of the franchise
-Mystique as the X-Men leader
-Storm looking up to Mystique (and some people complaint about Peter and Tony)
-Charles and Raven as siblings
-Raven not having relationships with Kurt or Rogue
-Storm, Betsy, Warren, Bishop, Sunspot, Bobby, Colossus and other beloved characters being used only for power display
-Storm, Betsy, Warren, Bishop, Sunspot, Bobby, Colossus and other beloved characters having little to no lines
-Storm, Betsy, Warren, Bishop, Sunspot, Bobby, Colossus and other beloved characters having little to no character arcs
-Scott never really leading the team
-Eric and Charles butting heads every movie for 18 years
-Good movies followed by really, really, really bad movies

Etc, etc, etc...

 

[def28]

The Deadpool panel may give insight to X-Force and some other stuff, but for them to make a panel just for him, it makes me hope they drop some really cool news.

I'd imagine an update on X-Force, but aren't they screening the extended edition of Deadpool 2? That's reason enough. The Deadpool fanbase goes crazy at SDCC.

Deadpool has now brought in over 1.4 billion for Fox with only two films which pretty much makes it their most successful franchise outside of Avatar (we'll see how that goes), so makes sense they want to push sales.

But yeah, hopefully some X-Force news!

 

[Ricardo Brown]

Well, I'm not worried. I don't think it can be anywhere near worse than:
-Mystique as the martyr, hero and central role of the franchise
-Mystique as the X-Men leader
-Storm looking up to Mystique (and some people complaint about Peter and Tony)
-Charles and Raven as siblings
-Raven not having relationships with Kurt or Rogue
-Storm, Betsy, Warren, Bishop, Sunspot, Bobby, Colossus and other beloved characters being used only for power display
-Storm, Betsy, Warren, Bishop, Sunspot, Bobby, Colossus and other beloved characters having little to no lines
-Storm, Betsy, Warren, Bishop, Sunspot, Bobby, Colossus and other beloved characters having little to no character arcs
-Scott never really leading the team
-Eric and Charles butting heads every movie for 18 years
-Good movies followed by really, really, really bad movies

Etc, etc, etc...

Well, DOFP had most of these "problems" but it's in my top 5 cmbs of all time sooo
But yeah, I'm really not worried. Ragnarok and Homecoming were more like terrible exceptions. I like most of the MCU film anyway and if Marvel will let someone like Russo brothers do MCU X-Men I think I'll be more than satisfied.

 

[Tymminator]

I'd imagine an update on X-Force, but aren't they screening the extended edition of Deadpool 2? That's reason enough. The Deadpool fanbase goes crazy at SDCC.

That’s right! You are correct.

 

[Lip]

Well, DOFP had most of these "problems" but it's in my top 5 cmbs of all time sooo
But yeah, I'm really not worried. Ragnarok and Homecoming were more like terrible exceptions. I like most of the MCU film anyway and if Marvel will let someone like Russo brothers do MCU X-Men I think I'll be more than satisfied.

I think DoFP is a great movie too, but I still hate the portrayal of most of the characters. The thing is that DoFP reseted the timeline and left a clean and bright future ahead, which XMA, IMO, ruined everything because they refuse to change their vision focused on the same characters and same beats over and over.

I've said several times here, FOX has done some great movies. But I'm tired of their vision and more than ready for the Marvel one.

And I'd rather see them finding a new director for the X-Men. I really love how the Russo brothers handle ensemble. What they did in Infinity War was unbelievable. But I want someone more socially conscious, more similar to Coogler.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm not sure of the reasoning behind this current ranting about MCU not getting any Oscars.

Disney is taking over Fox, that is a fact.

Fox has made X-Men movies for 18 years - some good, some bad.

That vision has become a little tired, partly because it's tunnel vision regarding certain characters.

So let's see what Disney delivers.

Will we still get New Mutants and Dark Phoenix? Probably at least Dark Phoenix will come out but it all seems a bit uncertain now, we shall have to see.

 

[def28]

X-Men one way or the other needs an overhaul and fresh blood. Not everyone is gonna like it, old fans will probably be angry and there are likely gonna be these same debates.

Otherwise it won't survive with the redundancy and likely continue to drop. We are on the same characters, same creative team and now remaking a story line already played out 10 years ago.

 

[Ricardo Brown]

I think DoFP is a great movie too, but I still hate the portrayal of most of the characters. The thing is that DoFP reseted the timeline and left a clean and bright future ahead, which XMA, IMO, ruined everything because they refuse to change their vision focused on the same characters and same beats over and over.

That was one of the issues. But the main problems for me were a TERRIBLE script and the decision to stick with a young cast. It's not like I'm against X-Men prequels but it was such a great opportunity to give us one more film with the original cast. And it would've made much more sense too to have an expirienced team since they were going to face the most powerful mutant ever lived. Oh well.
It's crazy how Singer had directed 3 movies that are viewed as some of the best and then went on to direct one of the worst.

And I'd rather see them finding a new director for the X-Men. I really love how the Russo brothers handle ensemble. What they did in Infinity War was unbelievable. But I want someone more socially conscious, more similar to Coogler.

Yeah, I mean someone who is capable of handling the ensemble crew and give at least half of their characters some moments to shine and not turning them into one-dimensional background statues. I'm not sure if Coogler can do it though.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Warner is releasing the first trailer for Shazam and it's still 9 months away.

Goddamn, come on Fox!

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't think there's any hurry to release the DP trailer, especially when the Fox shareholder meeting is next Friday. They may decide what they want to do with the movie after that.

 

[Snikt]

I don't think there's any hurry to release the DP trailer, especially when the Fox shareholder meeting is next Friday. They may decide what they want to do with the movie after that.

It’s still getting released guys

 

[Tymminator]

Warner is releasing the first trailer for Shazam and it's still 9 months away.

Goddamn, come on Fox!

I saw that.

I saw the Aquaman trailer too, that looked great.

 

[Lip]

That was one of the issues. But the main problems for me were a TERRIBLE script and the decision to stick with a young cast. It's not like I'm against X-Men prequels but it was such a great opportunity to give us one more film with the original cast. And it would've made much more sense too to have an expirienced team since they were going to face the most powerful mutant ever lived. Oh well.
It's crazy how Singer had directed 3 movies that are viewed as some of the best and then went on to direct one of the worst.


Yeah, I mean someone who is capable of handling the ensemble crew and give at least half of their characters some moments to shine and not turning them into one-dimensional background statues. I'm not sure if Coogler can do it though.

Oh, I wasn't suggesting Coogler to direct the X-Men movies. I meant someone more socially conscious like him. Someone who can understand what being a minority means. And as far as I know, the Russo brothers are white straight men, so...

 

[kevork89]

I'm not sure of the reasoning behind this current ranting about MCU not getting any Oscars.

Disney is taking over Fox, that is a fact.

Fox has made X-Men movies for 18 years - some good, some bad.

That vision has become a little tired, partly because it's tunnel vision regarding certain characters.

So let's see what Disney delivers.

Will we still get New Mutants and Dark Phoenix? Probably at least Dark Phoenix will come out but it all seems a bit uncertain now, we shall have to see.

X-Men one way or the other needs an overhaul and fresh blood. Not everyone is gonna like it, old fans will probably be angry and there are likely gonna be these same debates.

Otherwise it won't survive with the redundancy and likely continue to drop. We are on the same characters, same creative team and now remaking a story line already played out 10 years ago.

All of this!!!

We all loved the X-Men franchise. There is no denying that. All fans are passionate. But it’s time for some fresh hands on this. It’s time we see see the X-Men in their full glory. X2, DoFP, First Class and Logan are all in my top 5 movies but Fox have exhausted their means with this franchise. Marvel will give it the life it needs for it to get where we all want it to get. With Disney we will actually get merchandise which is something we haven’t had with the Fox films. I walk into pop culture stuff and there’s nothing X-Men related. I want to see that again.

 

[xrs13]

Nothing at SDCC during the Deadpool panel

 

[Tymminator]

Nothing at SDCC during the Deadpool panel

Eh, ok.

How was the word on the Deadpool 2 screening? Better than the regular theatrical screening?

 

[Jh7058622]

Marvel Studios has had several nominations, not zero.

Unless you mean the screenplay nom that “Logan” got? An achievement that it was the first comic movie to do so? That indeed was nice.However, since “The Dark Knight” didn’t get a nom for that, is it’s screenplay suddenly rubbish? Since it was the only one that did, are all other comic movies (including the X-men films you like) rubbish as they never got a nom for that either? Can’t you see how silly that argument is?

If you like a film franchise or not, that’s cool and your opinion is as valid as anyone else’s, but I wasn’t shoving in your face how “brilliant” they are, I was stating facts. Yeah I like the MCU, yeah there is stuff I would change if it was me, but I wasn’t even bringing up any of that, I brought up facts about something you stated and was warning you that you were using a criteria that went more against you than for you.

So yeah, can this be dropped and get back to DP?

First you don't control the conversations with all due respect. Actually many here were trying to discredit Fox's success with Disney Marvel's critical acclaim and box office which is a way to measure success but not the only one and not always accounting for taste. Another poster was just alluding to success isn't just about box office but things like pushing boundaries and getting award recognition too.

Again seems some are missing my point so let me make it clear: I never said you needed to have an Oscar but just reiterating that point the member stated too that other pieces of the puzzle are important.

And apologies as I meant to say that they had zero wins even though they are loaded as these perfect screen jems from some around here. If they were as good as some here say they would have walked away with at least a technical Oscar as that is normally how they reward well regarded CBMs.

 

[Tymminator]

First you don't control the conversations with all due respect. Actually many here were trying to discredit Fox's success with Disney Marvel's critical acclaim and box office which is a way to measure success but not the only one and not always accounting for taste. Another poster was just alluding to success isn't just about box office but things like pushing boundaries and getting award recognition too.

Again seems some are missing my point so let me make it clear: I never said you needed to have an Oscar but just reiterating that point the member stated too that other pieces of the puzzle are important.

And apologies as I meant to say that they had zero wins even though they are loaded as these perfect screen jems from some around here. If they were as good as some here say they would have walked away with at least a technical Oscar as that is normally how they reward well regarded CBMs.

Now what you say I was “missing the point” on is pretty much what I was saying from the start, so I have no idea why you were arguing with me if that what you really meant. My point is, you can have a great film and it may not win anything. You can also be a ***** film (Suicide Squad) and win an award someone else should have one (Star Trek in this case IMO). Oscars are great bragging rights, but that’s about it. It ok for people to like, love or hate what they want, and it can be a classic with or without a Oscar.

Also, It is not a point of “controlling the conversations”, it’s a point of mucking up a Dark Phoenix thread about a different subject, also I asked if we could get back on subject...so how you took that as “controlling the conversation” is bizarre to me.

 

[Jh7058622]

No, that is not how they necessarily “normally” reward well regarded CBMs, as again looking at the X-Franchise alone DoFP, XM:FC and the first two X-men films it is safe to say they are well regarded and they didn’t win anything in technical, and DoFP looked very good and played very good. This statement just comes off to me as a artificial criteria one is creating of what a “well regarding Ed CBM“ should win or achieve while not looking at anything else and that’s not true because a film can be great and not win anything. This is not something we are going to agree to, so we should simply agree to disagree.

Also, It is not a point of “controlling the conversations”, it’s a point of mucking up a Dark Phoenix thread about a different subject, also I asked if we could get back on subject...so how you took that as “controlling the subject” is bizarre to me.

That was my whole point that RT isn't the only way to see a films success so are you agreeing with me?

I meant no disrespect when saying you don't control the conversations just that it's such an inconsequential thing to say when all you had to do was not respond in the first place if you want to stop a conversation. It's strange to engage so much in a conversation you think is derailing a message board. This is technically on topic as it corresponds with people's lowballing this films quality due to previous installments not all being 80%+ on RT. No one is forcing you to discuss this specific topic you replied to me. I wasn't even originally responding to you from what I remember.

At any rate I agree we should agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Kuwolski]

Ill love this place once it's flooded with MCU X-Men fans.

 

[Marvel united]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting Coogler to direct the X-Men movies. I meant someone more socially conscious like him. Someone who can understand what being a minority means. And as far as I know, the Russo brothers are white straight men, so...

The Russos could do a great job. I understand the point about being a minority and knowing our experience but I still feel like the Russos would make a great X-Men film. Just because they aren't minorities doesn't mean they won't understand the themes that define the X-Men. I don't want anyone to be closed off from directing but I understand where you're coming from, Singer was a good choice back in the day. It's an added bonus to have someone who is socially conscious of our experience as minorities in America.

Maybe Ava Duvernay?

 

[Drexelhand]

Kevin Feige understands X-Men, he was a producer on the original and X2, is a student of Richard Donner and was mentored by LSD. I have no doubt he'll make good movies. I just don't want to say goodbye to this continuity, as ****ed up, twisted, with bad films and amazing ones as it is and as pilfered by Kinberg it has been.

 

[x-er]

Well, I'm not worried. I don't think it can be anywhere near worse than:
-Mystique as the martyr, hero and central role of the franchise
-Mystique as the X-Men leader
-Storm looking up to Mystique (and some people complaint about Peter and Tony)
-Charles and Raven as siblings
-Raven not having relationships with Kurt or Rogue
-Storm, Betsy, Warren, Bishop, Sunspot, Bobby, Colossus and other beloved characters being used only for power display
-Storm, Betsy, Warren, Bishop, Sunspot, Bobby, Colossus and other beloved characters having little to no lines
-Storm, Betsy, Warren, Bishop, Sunspot, Bobby, Colossus and other beloved characters having little to no character arcs
-Scott never really leading the team
-Eric and Charles butting heads every movie for 18 years
-Good movies followed by really, really, really bad movies

Etc, etc, etc...

I'm still wondering how they're going to fit it all into the MCU because X-Men has the potential to be a full blown universe on its own and you've got other teams like New Mutants, x-Force, etc. So, do you make films for X-Men, New Mutants, X-Force, X-Factor separately and also have cameos going both ways? Like Spiderman appearing in X-Men or Storm in Black Panther? Do you put a select few X-Men in the Avengers films like Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops in the Avengers films until you can bring in a full team for a crossover event like Avengers vs. X-Men? Do you eventually have a crossover event for the mutant teams?

I mean, F4 is quite simple. You've got four basic heroes. But X-Men's got a plethora of great characters to work with it's literally overwhelming.