Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 14

[x-er]

Marvel will figure out a way though. Avengers 3 was intelligently set up to...

Spoiler

put all the newest heroes on the shelf for a while and give some of the original MCU Avengers members their farewell in A4, while also introducing Captain Marvel.

I can see Avengers 5 featuring Iron Man, Hulk, Wolverine, Storm, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Spiderman, Fantastic Four... so they'd probably start out with a limited number of mutant characters audiences are familiar with.

But I'm still wondering if we'll get both crossovers films for mutant-only teams (think Messiah Complex) as well as crossovers with Avengers like House of M.

 

[Drexelhand]

Its as simple as saying that in 2008 or before Iron Man, Xavier mindwiped the world to make them forget all about mutants, or that Roma Siege Perilous'd the Earth or the hundreds of other events that have happened in the X-Men books.

 

[Jh7058622]

Yeah we're not gonna get anything close to that logistical x-er. It will be one X-film every other year at best.

 

[Kuwolski]

At best. More like every three years, like Avengers.

 

[Obsidian Idea]

The Infinity War's conclusion is the reset button... one snap... new MCU.

Then just introduce us to the changes: mutants in the MCU, S.H.I.E.L.D. is back, new Avenger team, F4.

It's that simple.

It's sets up nicely for recasting characters, origins closer to the comics or further from depending on the director and crossovers galore.

 

[Elayis]

Kevin Feige understands X-Men, he was a producer on the original and X2, is a student of Richard Donner and was mentored by LSD. I have no doubt he'll make good movies. I just don't want to say goodbye to this continuity, as ****ed up, twisted, with bad films and amazing ones as it is and as pilfered by Kinberg it has been.

I know what you meant, but I still LOL'd at the bolded.

 

[SumT]

you can learn a lot from other people's mistakes.

actually, thats one of the best ways to learn about your work/passion. If you see another studio failing with some decisions, once you have the power you wont make those same mistakes ever in your life

 

[Charzhin0]

Why has psychocolusus gone into hiding

 

[BaronZemo]

I just pray none of the MCU Xmen films end up like Homecoming, GotG or Ragnarok.

I just pray none of the MCU X-men films end up like Apocalypse, TLS, Origins, Deadpool 2 or Fan4stic.

 

[SumT]

good one

 

[Davidstorm]

I just pray none of the MCU X-men films end up like Apocalypse, TLS, Origins, Deadpool 2 or Fan4stic.

Deadpool 2 ??

 

[Lip]

Ill love this place once it's flooded with MCU X-Men fans.

The Russos could do a great job. I understand the point about being a minority and knowing our experience but I still feel like the Russos would make a great X-Men film. Just because they aren't minorities doesn't mean they won't understand the themes that define the X-Men. I don't want anyone to be closed off from directing but I understand where you're coming from, Singer was a good choice back in the day. It's an added bonus to have someone who is socially conscious of our experience as minorities in America.

Maybe Ava Duvernay?

Yeah, I think the Russo Brothers can make a great X-Men movie too and can get the message, but I still think someone who undestand it from the heart and personal experiences can do better.

But also it's not about just being a minority. Singer is gay (I'm also gay) and perfectly turned the X-Men into a good metaphor for gay rights, but the X-Men also serve as a metaphor for other minorities too and Singer never really did anything for them, except use them as token and put them in the background, DoFP is the best example.

Maybe Ava Duvernay can do it, I don't know. I really like the idea of a woman directing a X-Men movie, since the female characters were criminally neglected in the FOX universe. But I also like the idea of someone like Justin Semien from Dear White People. He works in television, so he knows how to "work in team", like Marve does. He writes both comedy and drama. He's gay and black and very socially conscious and perfectly works with social issues through comedy. And he handles ensemble in Dear White People. I think he has what it takes, I just have no idea if he's an X-Men fan or if he has any interest in directing a CBM.

 

[Lip]

Deadpool 2 ??

I didn't like Deadpool either. But I certainly wouldn't put in the same level as Fant4stic or XMA. For me it was a 6/10. It was... watchable.

 

[The Infernal]

It wasn't as good as the first one, but it definitely doesn't deserve that association.

 

[x-er]

Yeah we're not gonna get anything close to that logistical x-er. It will be one X-film every other year at best.

meh, whatever. I don't mind reading the comics.

but I do agree with whoever said elsewhere, fans need video games that let you explore more about the universe than what a film allows (like X-Men Legends I) and definitely more merchandise.

 

[Charzhin0]

I just pray none of the MCU X-men films end up like Apocalypse, TLS, Origins, Deadpool 2 or Fan4stic.

I would take XMA over a GOTG ******ed version of Xmen where Cyclops has a dance off against Apocalypse.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Deadpool 2 is not very good,I prefer The Last Stand.

 

[Davidstorm]

It wasn't as good as the first one, but it definitely doesn't deserve that association.

exactly

 

[Davidstorm]

I particulary do not die of love for deadpool
why I do not like the exaggeration in the humor that the movie carries, but it does not come close to being a bad movie, the first movie was good, the second was medium, nothing too bad as XMA and neither disastrous as Fant4stic.

 

[def28]

Why is this even being debated?

While there will never be pleasing everyone, Deadpool 2 was a success with the majority on every level.

Spider-Man 3 isn't even on XMA or Fant4stic level. Heck, XMA and XMOW are not even near Fant4stic level!

 

[Lip]

Why is this even being debated?

While there will never be pleasing everyone, Deadpool 2 was a success with the majority on every level.

Despite the big difference in terms of quality, Deadpool 2 made the mistakes some of us complaint so much about the X-franchise in general, and we used to mention the first Deadpool movie as an exemple of how make things right.

And in a way, Deadpool 2 left me even more hopeless (if that's possible) about Dark Phoenix correcting these mistakes.

That's how I feel, anyway.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Any Marvel Legends collectors here? They announced an Xavier in his hover chair figure at SDCC yesterday. You can't get any more 90s X-men (X-men Dark Phoenix setting!) than that!

 

[Jh7058622]

meh, whatever. I don't mind reading the comics.

but I do agree with whoever said elsewhere, fans need video games that let you explore more about the universe than what a film allows (like X-Men Legends I) and definitely more merchandise.

Then where pray tell do some seem to think they're going to be getting all this character development to all the X-Men Fox shafted? That's the strange mentality I have been seeing all to often lately. Everyone is like "Disney will make: Storm, Cyclops, Jubilee, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Dazzler, Firestar, Marrow, Northstar, Sunfire, Doop etc.. give insert character here the will be soooooo well developed now with our 1 film every 3 years and occasional one off where they cameo one character in another film."

Excuse me as I gag...

 

[def28]

Despite the big difference in terms of quality, Deadpool 2 made the mistakes some of us complaint so much about the X-franchise in general, and we used to mention the first Deadpool movie as an exemple of how make things right.

And in a way, Deadpool 2 left me even more hopeless (if that's possible) about Dark Phoenix correcting these mistakes.

That's how I feel, anyway.

If we're talking about the deaths that's understandable, but in fairness that was pretty much retconned by the end of the film and shouldn't even be taken seriously.

From general reception, box office and fan/audience reaction it's not even remotely comparable to those films. It delivered for the majority of Deadpool fans and audiences. F4, XMOW and XMA did not. Those films had strong backlash.

 

[x-er]

Then where pray tell do some seem to think they're going to be getting all this character development to all the X-Men Fox shafted? That's the strange mentality I have been seeing all to often lately. Everyone is like "Disney will make: Storm, Cyclops, Jubilee, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Dazzler, Firestar, Marrow, Northstar, Sunfire, Doop etc.. give insert character here the will be soooooo well developed now with our 1 film every 3 years and occasional one off where they cameo one character in another film."

Excuse me as I gag...

For me, it's more about the comic book's message. Everything the X-Men stood for, everything they fought for, their differences with Magneto and with mankind. If Marvel manages to give us stories that develop the message, even if some characters aren't represented as fans expect them to be, if they manage to capture that message throughout these few movies, then they'd have gotten the job done.

Marvel can give a character five-fifteen minutes of development in a film by planning carefully; that's how these ensembles work and that's what made X-Men great when they started. But these guys really cut all their plans short and started copy pasting action scenes and characters onto a very generic hollywood script template, and they even forgot to copy paste some of the lines the characters use in the comic books to make matters worse.

Personally, I was just hoping to see Anna Paquin's Rogue fly at last in Days of Future Past but Fox put pregnant Halle Berry on the cables instead. I am amazed at Berry's valor! But you gotta admit it would've made sense to have seen Rogue beating down some Sentinels with the rest of the team at some point in the franchise, alongside Emma Frost, Gambit and it's like we've been beating a dead horse here.