Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[The Infernal]

They really doesn't like play with stubborn children.

Waiting for more muture issues

Ha! You were throwing tantrums even before this latest farce. If you find the need to call those with opinions you don't like "kiddies" then you don't get to talk about maturity. Stop projecting.

 

[Lip]

Well, that's the thing. HOW will they do it?

There are a few theories online, but I honestly have no idea.

I was talking about this in the MCU X-Men forum, and I remember seeing a few interviews with Feige (years before the Sony deal), and he said he always has plans B if they get the rights of this character or that character. And that proved to be right when the Sony deal happened and they quickly added Spiderman in Civil War and into their slot.

Of course mutants are very different to be introduced, but the point is he said he had "plans b" to introduce characters they don't own, in case something happens. And now is happening and the FOX deal is in course. Feige cannot do anything until then, but that doesn't mean his mind is not working and I'm sure, once the deal is done, he'll have some ideas ready.

 

[Zarex]

Film rights deal with film, theatrical releases and usually owned by a producer or director who then secure the financial backing necessary to convert the property into a film which is then shopped to a distributor (Fox). Rights for TV are separate. Laura Shuler Donner is well known for buying the film rights for the X-Men for Fox in 1994. She is very closely tied to the film rights. The extent of the details are based on whatever contract she had with Fox and she talked about the fact that Fox took over the role of negotiating for her company:

Ms. Donner never owned the film rights, which is why Disney didn't mention her company in their numerous press releases nor did Bob Iger in his many interviews during which he confirmed the rights to the X-Men family of characters were going to be under the purview of Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios. You can certainly keep hoping that the Fox-Men series is going to continue unabated and/or Laura Shuler Donner will be selling the rights she owns off to Lionsgate. But there is zero evidence she has any ownership interest whatsoever in the franchise. It's silly to suggest otherwise.

 

[Cktopl33]

Ms. Donner never owned the film rights, which is why Disney didn't mention her company in their numerous press releases nor did Bob Iger in his many interviews during which he confirmed the rights to the X-Men family of characters were going to be under the purview of Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios. You can certainly keep hoping that the Fox-Men series is going to continue unabated and/or Laura Shuler Donner will be selling the rights she owns off to Lionsgate. But there is zero evidence she has any ownership interest whatsoever in the franchise. It's silly to suggest otherwise.

It's quite clear in the video. Being willfully ignorant won't change that. They wouldn't mention her company since Fox took over as negotiator for this property. That probably was the point. Whatever deal that was worked out would not be part of public press releases, so you can let go of that tired talking point. Her company retaining the film rights back in the 90s were never part of any prior press releases so why should you expect so now? She will most definitely be part of any negotiations with Marvel and Disney regarding this property.

 

[Alison Blaire]

‪Lauren wanted the original cast in Apocalypse, but Fox and Kinberg don’t.So what they say doesn’t make any sense.‬

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

I do believe there are legal implications to not releasing a film that is slated for theatrical distribution: actor contracts, third party deals, etc. Mowgli like @Cktopl33 mentioned is in a different set of circumstances which allow such a release/move.

Regardless of whether you want this movie to happen or not, it’s coming in June, July, heck could be 2020 at this rate lol. Just look at it on the bright side, the sooner this is out of the way, the sooner Marvel can properly intergrate the rebooted Xmen into the mcu.

 

[Zarex]

It's quite clear in the video. Being willfully ignorant won't change that. They wouldn't mention her company since Fox took over as negotiator for this property. That probably was the point. Whatever deal that was worked out would not be part of public press releases, so you can let go of that tired talking point. Her company retaining the film rights back in the 90s were never part of any prior press releases so why should you expect so now? She will most definitely be part of any negotiations with Marvel and Disney regarding this property.

What is clear in the video is that Fox took over as negotiator AND BOUGHT THE FREAKIN' RIGHTS! For you to accuse someone else of willfully ignorance is absolutely adorable.

According to your very smart brain, Laura Shuler Donner, not Fox actually has control over the live action X-Men character family rights. And despite numerous public statements to the contrary, Ms. Donner maintains these rights to this day and can ship said rights to a third party. The question, of course, is why didn't Ms. Donner do this when Disney bought Marvel? Clearly they would have paid more for the rights than Fox. And why wasn't Laura party to the Mutant X lawsuit between Marvel and Fox? It is odd that the actual rights holder would be left out of the legal proceedings.

According to your (bizarre) theory, The Walt Disney Company and Iger have lied many, many times in press releases, legal disclosures and SEC filings since the Fox buyout was first disclosed last December. The company has subject themselves to numerous consumer lawsuits for taking part in a fraudulent transaction and not fully disclosing the ACTUAL rights holder situation to their shareholders. That is, if you are right. Which, once again, you are not.

 

[Cktopl33]

‪Lauren wanted the original cast in Apocalypse, but Fox and Kinberg don’t.So what they say doesn’t make any sense.‬

That has nothing to do with film rights. The owner of the rights doesn't have absolute say in the way films are cast. Film rights simply deal with converting a property into film. Casting deal with the regular film-making process.

 

[Frankeh]

There are a few theories online, but I honestly have no idea.

I was talking about this in the MCU X-Men forum, and I remember seeing a few interviews with Feige (years before the Sony deal), and he said he always has plans B if they get the rights of this character or that character. And that proved to be right when the Sony deal happened and they quickly added Spiderman in Civil War and into their slot.

Of course mutants are very different to be introduced, but the point is he said he had "plans b" to introduce characters they don't own, in case something happens. And now is happening and the FOX deal is in course. Feige cannot do anything until then, but that doesn't mean his mind is not working and I'm sure, once the deal is done, he'll have some ideas ready.

Honestly why is it even a concern how they will do it? (not directed at you exactly)

What matters is that the IP is out of the clutches of this tired creative team. This franchise is running on fumes.

Whatever we get is guaranteed to be more fresh only by virtue of being different from these movies.

 

[SumT]

A huge LOL at Lauren being the owner of the rights

This board always finds a way to surprise us with some users

 

[rebellion]

I choose to believe official Disney press release stating that by buying fox, they got x men and ff back. Crazy, right?

 

[Marvel united]

So according Cktop - Bob Iger and the Walt Disney company themselves have lied many times to Shareholders and investors about the X-Men because Donner owns the rights to X-Men and not Fox? You can't make this stuff up

 

[Frankeh]

Apparently Disney is hiding something from us, they still have to buy the rights from Shuler Donner

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

LSD is a very smart woman. She's going to be more than happy to work on the rebooted franchise

 

[Endeavor]

And at the end of the day it's the last Fox X-Men movie and it's release is not going to negatively affect anything MCU does with the franchise in the future. I'd say that if it does end up not being well received it will just make people that more excited for an MCU version.

Alternatively, it could end up being closer to what happened with The Hulk. People were so bummed about Ang Lee's weird movie that it affected TIH.
I'm still hoping this crap never sees the light of day.
I think having it released straight to streaming would be a nice happy resolution for all the fans. Those of us who want it removed from existence at least won't have it out in theaters, those who want to see it will still be able to do so.

 

[SumT]

Apparently Disney is hiding something from us, they still have to buy the rights from Shuler Donner

I also was told that Fox was pretty close to sign Lauren S. Donner to direct Dark Phoenix, but she has other projects so Fox went with Kinberg instead.
Point being that Fox execs always wanted a non director for this sequel, they just didnt want to expend more money on the director this time around

 

[Endeavor]

If they were going to quietly shelve it, why spend the money on the reshoots?

There is a lot of speculation that this and many of the other projects announced, are an excuse to extend budget and therefore keep salaries without any actual work being done.
Think about it.
This movie comes out in Feb. It will suck, because it will, what happens then? You think they're going to green light a sequel?
Now they have 4 more months of active production. All parties involved can still get paid.
Same goes for Gambit, the Kitty movie, Multiple Man, etc. They're just last minute excuses to secure a budget and get paid for "working" even though they know they won't have to deliver.

 

[BMM]

Alternatively, it could end up being closer to what happened with The Hulk. People were so bummed about Ang Lee's weird movie that it affected TIH.
I'm still hoping this crap never sees the light of day.
I think having it released straight to streaming would be a nice happy resolution for all the fans. Those of us who want it removed from existence at least won't have it out in theaters, those who want to see it will still be able to do so.

Marvel is an established brand with far more goodwill now than when when The Incredible Hulk was released. Besides, The Incredible Hulk was an underwhelming entry to begin with. If that’s the equivalent of the X-Men’s cinematic debut in the MCU, there are bigger things to worry about than the quality of Dark Phoenix.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

so clearly a poster on an internet message board for comic book movies knows more about the intricate details of the Fox purchase than Bob Iger, The Chairman and CEO of The Walt Disney Company who actually took part in making this transaction happen, and has spoken very clearly on the matter of the Marvel assets coming over in the deal, quite a few times.

Right.

 

[Dark Raven]

so clearly a poster on an internet message board for comic book movies knows more about the intricate details of the Fox purchase than Bob Iger, The Chairman and CEO of The Walt Disney Company who actually took part in making this transaction happen, and has spoken very clearly on the matter of the Marvel assets coming over in the deal, quite a few times.

Right.

He does know more than Iger. Between him and DigificWriter, Disney haven't gotten any Marvel rights back with this Fox acquisition.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

and FantfourTWOstic is in active development

 

[Frankeh]

He does know more than Iger. Between him and DigificWriter, Disney haven't gotten and Marvel rights back with this Fox acquisition.

FF rights are still with Constantin and X-Men rights are still with Shuler Donner

 

[Cktopl33]

What is clear in the video is that Fox took over as negotiator AND BOUGHT THE FREAKIN' RIGHTS! For you to accuse someone else of willfully ignorance is absolutely adorable.

According to your very smart brain, Laura Shuler Donner, not Fox actually has control over the live action X-Men character family rights. And despite numerous public statements to the contrary, Ms. Donner maintains these rights to this day and can ship said rights to a third party. The question, of course, is why didn't Ms. Donner do this when Disney bought Marvel? Clearly they would have paid more for the rights than Fox. And why wasn't Laura party to the Mutant X lawsuit between Marvel and Fox? It is odd that the actual rights holder would be left out of the legal proceedings.

According to your (bizarre) theory, The Walt Disney Company and Iger have lied many, many times in press releases, legal disclosures and SEC filings since the Fox buyout was first disclosed last December. The company has subject themselves to numerous consumer lawsuits for taking part in a fraudulent transaction and not fully disclosing the ACTUAL rights holder situation to their shareholders. That is, if you are right. Which, once again, you are not.

How Fox operate regarding the rights is part of whatever distribution deal they struck with her company. Whatever transfer to Marvel, she's involved. Film rights are rights under copyright law to produce a film as a derivative work of a given item of intellectual property. Even this quote from an article in 2017 recognizes:

It’s appropriate that Donner and her X-Men intellectual property would be the catalysts for Legion’s great leap forward in the long-underwear genre, because she’s arguably the one who started the Superhero Boom in the first place.

Enter Donner, a supremely unlikely fit for the caped-crusader world. She was working for Fox at the time and was already a veteran producer of decidedly un-superheroic flicks like Pretty In Pink, St. Elmo’s Fire, and Free Willy. Fox was understandably interested in the rights for the X-Men, especially given the success of a children’s animated series about the characters a few years prior, and Donner snapped the mutants up for it.

X-Men franchise producer/gatekeeper Lauren Shuler Donner spoke about combining the Avengers and X-Men brands onscreen once the sale of 21st Century Fox to The Walt Disney Company is completed in up to 18 months.

 

[ADollarADay]

Bad Robot owns the production rights to Star Wars because they were a co-producer in Episode VII and Episode IX. JJ Abrams can block and control the franchise. Trust me on this one guys. Who needs SEC filings and shareholders to answer to when I can talk out of my ass?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I missed this

been too long