Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[psylockolussus]

They are pulling in big numbers box office wise, but thats really insignificant from a quality movies perspective. If anything it encourages their films to stick close to a established formula rather than trying risky, dramatic, edgy stuff that Xmen content absolutely demands.

Releasing movies for gotg, Black Widow, Eternals, Shang Chi, Dr. Strange, Black Panther and freaking Ant-Man and giving them a budget higher than some of the foX movies is not risky and not edgy/forward thinking. Meanwhile Gambit can't move forward without cutting the budget and now there's the we will see the New Mutants in theaters or not scenario.

FoX is hitting all the cylinders with their riskyness... focusing on a handful of characters (Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto, Mystique and Deadpool) in a span of 20 years, then failing on Daredevil, Elektra, FF, Gambit and the New Mutants. Meanwhile Marvel have released Iron Man, Thor, Capt America, Avengers, Hulk, Gotg, Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Capt Marvel in less than 20 years... really who's the edgier studio here when it comes to Marv movies.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

How did Kitty even gain the ability she had in DOFP? I don't remember it being explained, and it just made no sense to me.

 

[Charzhin0]

Releasing movies for gotg, Black Widow, Eternals, Shang Chi, Dr. Strange, Black Panther and freaking Ant-Man and giving them a budget higher than some of the foX movies is not risky and not edgy/forward thinking. Meanwhile Gambit can't move forward without cutting the budget and now there's the we will see the New Mutants in theaters or not scenario.

FoX is hitting all the cylinders with their riskyness...

Not saying Fox were perfect but not saying Disney are automatically the ideal studio to materialise good quality X-product either

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Storm, Cyclops and Rogue? Who needs them as leaders when you have Mystique and Wolverine?

Jennifer Lawrence is clearly bored with the role of Mystique. She can't even keep her eyes open!

 

[psylockolussus]

Not saying Fox were perfect but not saying Disney are automatically the ideal studio to materialise good quality X-product either

Again they have the better track record. I'm not gonna invest my money to a studio with more stinkers than the studio who already have a handful of movies that joined the billion dollar club and have yet to suck as hard as foX's worst Marvel movies.

So what if I don't get another Xavier/Logan focused dofp movie if I can get a X-Men movie as massive as those Avengers films and its not a 1 to 3 man show.

 

[icekid]

Movies like what quality X-Men should have consistently been all along aren’t a priority at old Fox. Quality takes time and nurturing and they, as in the people who ran the company, not the franchises or properties, only cared about seeing that idea immediately tangible and making them money and were willing to put in 40% of the money and time it would take to reallly see it come together in the way the MCU has. Deadpool works because it’s Fox’s winning formula-made mutant. Some comedic knee slappers, innuendos, doesn’t take itself seriously and slap a bomb or two on it and bam, it’s the Fox formula. Logan worked because it stripped everything we’ve come to expect from a superhero movie away from it, including the cost which all they cared about, and therefore Fox was less concerned with dictating it, so it got a chance. Unfortunately, can’t say the same for just about any franchise they’ve owned. Except Avatar but that’s because James Cameron can do whatever he wants, literally.

Looking forward to sending this franchise off with this one, and seeing it’s finished version, and I’m eagerly looking forward to them coming home in the MCU.

 

[psylockolussus]

Dark PhoeniX delayed twice, Gambit's multiple change of release dates and losing the director trice, the New Mutants aren't students of Xavier Institute and the movie being delayed for than a year, Simon Kinberg overseeing the franchise, Deadpool had to leak a test footage to convince foX... yeah RISKYness in its finest!

 

[icekid]

Dark PhoeniX delayed twice, Gambit's multiple change of release dates and losing the director trice, the New Mutants aren't students of Xavier Institute and the movie being delayed for than a year, Simon Kinberg overseeing the franchise, Deadpool had to leak a test footage to convince foX... yeah RISKYness in its finest!

New Mutants was a mistake that they should have left in the oven and now they see why and are trying to keep it there forever. It was too early into the idea phase that they said sure and threw funding and deadlines at it. Dark Phoenix they wanted sooner for a lot less quality and buildup and ordered Simon to figure it out while also trying to juggle “overseeing” Dp2 and NM, which honestly he nailed himself to that cross because he’s as much of an executive producer to the rest of the ranchise as Steven Spielberg is to all the Transformers films. He had to phone it in because he had too much on his plate resulting in the messy movie that earned the first delay and reshoot. Now it’s fixed but just a fraction shy of the budget of his original, already thought out, proposals that guess what, one of them would have already been out by now! Fox puts pressure in the wrong ways and emphasized the wrong areas leading to poor business decisions and now they’re gone.

EDIT: Gambit is a prime example of a glimmer of maybe a good idea, made too big a deal way before it was ever ready so they could make money off it. And guess what, they actually managed to make money off Channing’s involvement in the film that never came to be! James Franco’s Multiple man? Why was anyone even talking about that?? That may as well have been a vague sketch on a post it, that’s how far along that was!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Logan worked because it stripped everything we’ve come to expect from a superhero movie away from it, including the cost which all they cared about, and therefore Fox was less concerned with dictating it, so it got a chance.

Either way you have to give FOX credit for being brave with Logan, not only was the budget around or just under 100 mil but again they called the damn film "Logan". and the marketing was very intimate and not screaming at you THIS IS WOLVERINE! as it very well could have.

Perhaps they just had confidence people would see it because of Hugh Jackman, but still, Most film studios would have pushed to get as much out of it as possible and il be surprised if we ever get another comic book marketed with that much subtlety again.

But at the same time i think alot of the geekdom like when studios push to get as much out of it as possible. basically because toy ads are exciting and if they don't do that sort of thing then they are being lazy or just bad at marketing.

 

[icekid]

Either way you have to give FOX credit for being brave with Logan, not only was the budget around or just under 100 mil but again they called the damn film "Logan". and the marketing was very intimate and not screaming at you THIS IS WOLVERINE! as it very well could have.

Perhaps they just had confidence people would see it because of Hugh Jackman, but still, Most film studios would have pushed to get as much out of it as possible.

But at the same time i think alot of the geekdom like when studios push to get as much out of it as possible. basically everything that feels like a toy ad is exciting and if they don't do that sort of thing then they are being lazy or just bad at marketing.

They owe that all to Hugh standing by Mangold’s vision and if there’s one thing Fox was run by, it’s star power! They were the studio run by Hollywood where it was supposed to be the other way around. Logan just happened to be the example of that star actually being a decent person and believing in the talent behind the movie bceuase he genuinely has a passion for the craft. Fox was jsut awful and I can’t wait for all the stories to come pouring out when the cuts, the ones that haven’t happened in the focal areas yet, start happening because there’s a lot I’ve learned about each studios character in this city and Fox is the career that’s most like the internship from hell.

Look at the article about the marketing for this movie! It’s not the merger and no blame can’t be placed on Disney who want them to market this movie in a big way to signify that this is the end-of this version-and the next is going to be completely new and completely theirs. Can’t do that under the radar. It’s Fox throwing in the towel and collecting a check because they know they’ve run a studio into the ground and they’re not being kept. Kinberg should be more vocal before Chastain does it for him.

 

[SpiderSense]

I hope they don’t leak on line....although I would love to see it! Lol I heard we are getting a trailer a final trailer..

I doubt we will get a final trailer, we've only just got the second. Third/final trailers are usually quite close to the films release.

 

[Alison Blaire]

Different tastes and expectations I guess then. Dr Strange and Captain Marvel are decent 1 time watches but leave no lasting impression. Whilst obvioisly better than Fan4stic, Elektra, etc they ultimately feel unmemorable after a while and I dont want the same shallow treatment for xmen.

They are pulling in big numbers box office wise, but thats really insignificant from a quality movies perspective. If anything it encourages their films to stick close to a established formula rather than trying risky, dramatic, edgy stuff that Xmen content absolutely demands.

Totally agree

 

[Nadia]

I doubt we will get a final trailer, we've only just got the second. Third/final trailers are usually quite close to the films release.

The earliest I would expect the third trailer would be late April (only to attach to Endgame) but I realistically expect it to be mid May.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

It's crazy how the shoe is on the other foot now. Before when we complained about the X-franchise, a lot of fans here would say things to the effect of, "Oh well, guess you gotta deal with it or don't watch the films!" Now that an end really is coming to the Fox-verse, I feel kinda bad for some of you. I don't feel bad for the franchise at all, though!

 

[hurrikane2]

I doubt we will get a final trailer, we've only just got the second. Third/final trailers are usually quite close to the films release.

Trust me we will get a final trailer it’s being made as we speak!!!

 

[hurrikane2]

Movies like what quality X-Men should have consistently been all along aren’t a priority at old Fox. Quality takes time and nurturing and they, as in the people who ran the company, not the franchises or properties, only cared about seeing that idea immediately tangible and making them money and were willing to put in 40% of the money and time it would take to reallly see it come together in the way the MCU has. Deadpool works because it’s Fox’s winning formula-made mutant. Some comedic knee slappers, innuendos, doesn’t take itself seriously and slap a bomb or two on it and bam, it’s the Fox formula. Logan worked because it stripped everything we’ve come to expect from a superhero movie away from it, including the cost which all they cared about, and therefore Fox was less concerned with dictating it, so it got a chance. Unfortunately, can’t say the same for just about any franchise they’ve owned. Except Avatar but that’s because James Cameron can do whatever he wants, literally.

Looking forward to sending this franchise off with this one, and seeing it’s finished version, and I’m eagerly looking forward to them coming home in the MCU.

So we are going to get consistent mediocre x-men films with the mcu ..I guess that’s better then getting a great x-men movie then the next x-men movie is trash, then the next one is great! Lol

 

[GuestStar2004]

There will always be a "Oh well, guess you gotta deal with it or don't watch the films!". Whether its FOX, Marvel, WB, Sony.

Even Spiderman Homecoming has fair amount of things that fans probably would have liked to have been different but thats still very much a "Oh well, guess you gotta deal with it or don't watch the films!".

Its not very realistic to expect otherwise.

 

[hurrikane2]

Movies like what quality X-Men should have consistently been all along aren’t a priority at old Fox. Quality takes time and nurturing and they, as in the people who ran the company, not the franchises or properties, only cared about seeing that idea immediately tangible and making them money and were willing to put in 40% of the money and time it would take to reallly see it come together in the way the MCU has. Deadpool works because it’s Fox’s winning formula-made mutant. Some comedic knee slappers, innuendos, doesn’t take itself seriously and slap a bomb or two on it and bam, it’s the Fox formula. Logan worked because it stripped everything we’ve come to expect from a superhero movie away from it, including the cost which all they cared about, and therefore Fox was less concerned with dictating it, so it got a chance. Unfortunately, can’t say the same for just about any franchise they’ve owned. Except Avatar but that’s because James Cameron can do whatever he wants, literally.

Looking forward to sending this franchise off with this one, and seeing it’s finished version, and I’m eagerly looking forward to them coming home in the MCU.

So we are going to get consistent mediocre x-men films with the mcu ..I guess that’s better then getting a great x-men movie then the next x-men movie is trash, then the next one is great! Lol

There will always be a "Oh well, guess you gotta deal with it or don't watch the films!". Whether its FOX, Marvel, WB, Sony.

Even spiderman homecoming has fair amount of things that fans probably would have liked to be different but thats still very much a "Oh well, guess you gotta deal with it or don't watch the films!".

Its not very realistic to expect otherwise.

Me personally , probaly an unpopular opinion..i’m Getting tired of comic book movies...a lot of the new comic book movies just don’t impress anymore..there spectacles for sure!!! Great cgi! Great vfx...but thee kinda hollow on the inside ..nothing is really pushing the needle..dark Phx looks semi serious..but just because cyclops is crying and yelling every scene doesn’t make it a drama

 

[SpiderSense]

Trust me we will get a final trailer it’s being made as we speak!!!

What’s your source?

 

[Limonade]

So we are going to get consistent mediocre x-men films with the mcu ..I guess that’s better then getting a great x-men movie then the next x-men movie is trash, then the next one is great! Lol


Me personally , probaly an unpopular opinion..i’m Getting tired of comic book movies...a lot of the new comic book movies just don’t impress anymore..there spectacles for sure!!! Great cgi! Great vfx...but thee kinda hollow on the inside ..nothing is really pushing the needle..dark Phx looks semi serious..but just because cyclops is crying and yelling every scene doesn’t make it a drama

It is an unpopular opinion--not probably.

However, make no mistake... I agree with Steven Spielberg that Superhero saturation and fatigue will happen. It's unsustainable and it's simply a matter of time.

 

[SumT]

How did Kitty even gain the ability she had in DOFP? I don't remember it being explained, and it just made no sense to me.

"Kinberg style"
Im surprised he isnt getting Oscar nominations for his scripts.

 

[psylockolussus]

He should get a Razzie's Contribution to Bad Films Achievement Award.

 

[Limonade]

Here's my question: With Dark Phoenix's post-production team, now housed in Disney, will Marvel execs have final say in the editing room rather than Kinberg and his production team? Wouldn't they be tempted to tamper with the final product?

Meaning, that 3 more months until released a lot can still change, can't it?

 

[Zarex]

Here's my question: With Dark Phoenix's post-production team, now housed in Disney, will Marvel execs have final say in the editing room rather than Kinberg and his production team? Wouldn't they be tempted to tamper with the final product?

Meaning, that 3 more months until released a lot can still change, can't it?

If the folks at Marvel Studios tamper with Dark Phoenix, they own it. I doubt very much they want that. Better to release it as is, hope it breaks even, and move on from there.

 

[Limonade]

If the folks at Marvel Studios tamper with Dark Phoenix, they own it. I doubt very much they want that. Better to release it as is, hope it breaks even, and move on from there.

but they already own it... so that point is a bit moot, no?